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 Post subject: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:50 am 
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Discussion of the new Fred Craig .22 TCM and 1911 pistol that will also handle 9mm with the additional barrel and spring (included). While I have no regrets on purchasing my FiveseveN, the factory support of this caliber for the civilian community is weak. Fred, at Atomitronx http://atomitronx.com/index.html, in conjunction with Armscor http://www.armscor.com.ph/home.htm have produced a winner with the .22 TCM -- with the included 9mm barrel/spring. Just my opinion folks -- we'll see how the two calibers compete in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:54 am 
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Caliber has been discussed in length a little bit here. They make no mention whether or not velocity is achieveable with other bullets besides their own. Not to mention ammunition cost is $5-6 more per box than SS197SR. There is already ammo available that does the same velocity as the .22 TCM. Lets not forget you're using a 1911 firearm that weighs 38 ounces UNLOADED, to the 5.7s 26 ounces fully loaded. It's nice you can order a 9mm barrel to go with it, but I see no advantage of the .22 TCM over the 5.7 :)


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:58 am 
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The 9mm barrel/spring is included in the estimated $720 range. According to the recent article in the "American Handgunner", .22 TCM Micro-Mag ammo is $20 box of 50, $350 per case of 1,000. Custom reloading is available for $12.50 a box (customer brass).


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:51 am 
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I'm pulling prices right off the manufacturer's website..


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:53 am 
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For starters lets look at their bullet and just how limited you are. You can only use their 80+ year old left over 22 Hornet bullet. Do to length issues you can't even use the 30gr V-max bullet.

Velocity is irrelevant since our 40gr load matches theirs from a shorter barrel.

Also as a PDW round the supper short soft point bullet with a squared sectional density (Think I just made up a new term) beyond 50 yards I can't help but speculate just how inaccurate this short bullet will be.



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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:15 pm 
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Yeah, I don't think this brings anything to the table as far as the 5.7 goes. I am not an FN fanatic, and I can see that.



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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:37 pm 
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Does anyone know when this product will actually be available?

Considering that it can switch between 9mm and .22 tcm, would it be posssible to switch calibres in other guns with a barrel change? Because If I could buy a reasonably priced conversion barrel for a CZ 9mm I would be all over this calibre.


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:40 pm 
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i just posted in a thread that they are hitting the streets now.


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:56 pm 
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jnomad66 wrote:
Does anyone know when this product will actually be available?

Considering that it can switch between 9mm and .22 tcm, would it be posssible to switch calibres in other guns with a barrel change? Because If I could buy a reasonably priced conversion barrel for a CZ 9mm I would be all over this calibre.



I mean you could convert just about any gun to a smaller caliber and make it work but I doubt that armscor is making barrels to convert other platforms to their proprietary (and unproven) round. Basically if you wanted to throw a lot of money into having a CZ converted to .22tcm you could. But I have not yet heard of anyone mass producing conversion kits.

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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:35 pm 
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It would make far more sense to produce a 1911 that fires 5.7x28mm IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
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It would make far more sense to produce a 1911 that fires 5.7x28mm IMO.

The 1911 grip doesn't have enough room to fit the length of the round. :(



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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:59 pm 
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Hey fuzzy,

Your new ferret picture has a big butt! I just posted a reply in the other thread about the .22 tcm pistol. Would it be more appropriate here?

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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:04 pm 
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nrv216 wrote:
Hey fuzzy,

Your new ferret picture has a big butt! I just posted a reply in the other thread about the .22 tcm pistol. Would it be more appropriate here?

nrv216

lol, big butt? Ok...

It is fine in either thread, if you want me to move it here just let me know.



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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:40 pm 
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I stopped by the Armscor booth at the SHOT show to handle the TCM. You may recall that I took some photos of it last year at the SHOT show and posted them up here for a little discussion. This year my first question was, "are they shipping?" They were emphatic that the full size had been shipping for about a month. They also had a commander sized TCM on display that they claim would be shipping soon (?). The gun comes with a 9mm barrel and spring. The mags are a standard Para 9mm mag, but they have been modified for the TCM. The front edges of the feed lips have been cut down. The TCM mags will still work for 9mm, but the 9mm mags will not feed TCM. No one else is producing the TCM ammo, but they are a pretty big ammo manufacturer and can likely keep up with demand if it takes off. If you love the 1911 platform and want a 40 grain, 2,000 fps projectile, this is the one. I love both the 1911 and FsN platforms, but I would not consider the TCM a direct competitor. The gun is steel and heavy, and the cartridge is decidely low-tech. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy one. I mean really, I'm already stereotyped as a 22 mag guy; I shoot an FsN....


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:26 am 
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The Baron's Den in Eugene Oregon had a few of these. I've always considered RIA/Armscor a little cheap. I know nothing of their quality or reliability, but I am considering buying one of these just to compare it to my FN.


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:31 pm 
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The Baron's Den in Eugene Oregon had a few of these. I've always considered RIA/Armscor a little cheap. I know nothing of their quality or reliability, but I am considering buying one of these just to compare it to my FN.




RIA/Armscor 1911's are like the Norinco 45's of the early 90's. Good platforms to build a nice 45. I bought one for my brother in law. Fit sucked, finish was pretty good parts where junk. So pitched everything but the frame, slide and barrel. Replaced everything with a combination of Wilson and Kings custom parts.

22 TCM biggest issue is and will be bullet limitations. The 5.7x28 can easily match ballistics but with much better bullets. BOZ would smoke it.



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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:31 pm 
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I wonder if the bullet limitation is coming into play. I see .22TCM can be had from Armscor in 36gr, but it's 200 fps slower than the 40gr SP they sell...


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 Post subject: 22 TCM
PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:47 pm 
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Anyone have or used one of these?

It is an interesting little cartridge, with a velocity of over 2000 ft/s... in a 1911 platform!

I imagine that it would be even more devastating out of a rifle.

Comes with a spare 9mm replacement barrel as well. Two guns in one!

All for around $600
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =304534293




What do you guys think?


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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
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 Post subject: Re: .22 TCM
PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:12 am 
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It's very tempting, especially at that price.


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