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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 09:27

blueorison wrote:
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blueorison wrote:Get the steel version. If you like polymer guns (I like them the same as steel, doesn't matter to me) then you could get the Phantom. I would recommend the steel version for you, however.

The Phantom fits really nicely in your hand, also, and is lighter. I would pay the difference and go for steel for a range gun.
I can't find any of the CZ's for a reasonable price in stock at my usual places, but they all have the IMI steel version. Is the CZ that much better where I should wait for it to come in or is the IMI version very similar? I don't mind waiting a bit (Nevada'a NICS CCW exemption is in flux right now), but don't want to wait four or five months.

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Buy it online. The member on my team who bought the Pre-B got his for $280 off Wideners. Buds would be a good place, as is gunbroker.

There is no big difference between the SP01 and 75B as far as being a range gun. They are both good.
I did go onto Bud's, and they don't have either the 75B or SP01 though they do have the Phantom for $520. My local place has the 75B, but when it would cost $60 more. Gunbroker is also higher than Buds when you add in shipping as Buds has free shipping. I should be notified when it comes in, but who knows how long that will be.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by blueorison » 04 Sep 2011, 14:51

I just mentioned a few sites. There are many others.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 14:57

blueorison wrote:I just mentioned a few sites. There are many others.
I did look through most of them, and Bud's or GB is usually the cheapest. I did find the CZ 75B in 40 S&W for a very good price on GB. Have you shot that model? I prefer 9mm for the price of ammo and capacity of the magazine (the CZ I found comes only with 10 round mags), but how good is the 40 S&W? I see ammo costs more than 9mm, but no where near as much as 10mm or 45s.

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Post by blueorison » 04 Sep 2011, 15:04

Stick with the 9mm.

No point paying for .40 for a range gun.

If you want to save money, get the Phantom, it's just as good as the steel.

I was out actually shooting a P01 and SP01 today. They were brand new and needed breaking in.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Sep 2011, 15:15

There is a 75B at my local gun shop. Brand new, 9mm but they want $625 for it. Apparently cost for CZs went WAY up recently.
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Post by blueorison » 04 Sep 2011, 15:30

CZ's didn't go way up.

I spoke to Angus over email last year, he warned me of an approximate 10% increase.

That 75B, unless it is shiney, is overpriced.

57, I did homework for you.

http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product. ... ctid=52520" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There you go, it's even cheaper than the one you found.

Get it before it is gone.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 16:31

flyingirish04 wrote:There is a 75B at my local gun shop. Brand new, 9mm but they want $625 for it. Apparently cost for CZs went WAY up recently.
$625 is nuts. Buds sold it for $488 when it was in stock, and my local place has it for $499 (add in 8.1% sales tax). Since so many places don't have any in stock, I suspect there is more of supply issue at this point.

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Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 16:35

blueorison wrote:CZ's didn't go way up.

I spoke to Angus over email last year, he warned me of an approximate 10% increase.

That 75B, unless it is shiney, is overpriced.

57, I did homework for you.

http://www.wholesalehunter.com/product. ... ctid=52520" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There you go, it's even cheaper than the one you found.

Get it before it is gone.

Blue out.
Thank you. I was hoping for the regular steel CZ75B, but they didn't have any in stock. That place is definitely cheaper than Buds. I might want to wait for the all steel version from what everyone seems to recommend. Something up as most places are out of both the CZ75B and the steel SP01.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 16:41

blueorison wrote:Stick with the 9mm.

No point paying for .40 for a range gun.

If you want to save money, get the Phantom, it's just as good as the steel.

I was out actually shooting a P01 and SP01 today. They were brand new and needed breaking in.
I agree with you about the .40 S&W. I think the 9mm will do an excellent job as a range gun, and if I decide to carry it in the future. I found 1000 rounds of 9mm of once fired BVAC ammo for about $175.

I heard the Phantom has a different trigger feel than the steel version.

Breaking in a gun. Tough job. :)

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by blueorison » 04 Sep 2011, 17:23

It does have a slightly different trigger, IIRC.

I know the BVAC you're talking about. I have shot it. I would go with WOLF crap 9mm over it.

After 500 rounds the trigger is revolver smooth on a CZ. I'm doing a trigger job for a member of my team as I type this, but it is unnecessary once you break your gun in.

The Phantom feels very good to shoot and manipulation in dynamic shooting.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Sep 2011, 17:33

57js wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:There is a 75B at my local gun shop. Brand new, 9mm but they want $625 for it. Apparently cost for CZs went WAY up recently.
$625 is nuts. Buds sold it for $488 when it was in stock, and my local place has it for $499 (add in 8.1% sales tax). Since so many places don't have any in stock, I suspect there is more of supply issue at this point.
I know. That is what I said, and that is the story I got from the assistant manager there. I buy a lot from them, and work exclusively with the manager, who wasn't there. So I can't say for sure that is the truth. I am not in the market for a 75B anyway so I didn't push it. I did notice that the CZ Rifles were up too. Apparently they are really behind on manufacturing. They are just now getting some of the guns they ordered 6 months ago. On a good note, they have a RAMI there for $329. It was used by in good shape. I almost bought it. If it is still there Tuesday, I just may make an offer.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Sep 2011, 17:38

blueorison wrote:It does have a slightly different trigger, IIRC.

I know the BVAC you're talking about. I have shot it. I would go with WOLF crap 9mm over it.

After 500 rounds the trigger is revolver smooth on a CZ. I'm doing a trigger job for a member of my team as I type this, but it is unnecessary once you break your gun in.

The Phantom feels very good to shoot and manipulation in dynamic shooting.

I actually think the Phantom is one of the best feeling poly guns out there. And I am not a poly fan at all. Don't like the feel. But the Phantom feels good. Personally, I would go with that if it is cheaper. From my experience the trigger didn't feel that different at all, but I am shooting my buddy's broke in guns when I shoot CZs.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 17:59

blueorison wrote:It does have a slightly different trigger, IIRC.

I know the BVAC you're talking about. I have shot it. I would go with WOLF crap 9mm over it.

After 500 rounds the trigger is revolver smooth on a CZ. I'm doing a trigger job for a member of my team as I type this, but it is unnecessary once you break your gun in.

The Phantom feels very good to shoot and manipulation in dynamic shooting.
If you prefer Wolf to BVAC, I might as well look for some other cheap range ammo since I am not a big Wolf fan.

I shoot mostly S&W revolvers, and if the CZ trigger is that smooth once it is broken in, the gun should be great to shoot. I like the FsN, especially after having the accurazing done on it, but I really enjoy my S&W 681 trigger.

I am going to have to seriously consider the Phantom from what people are saying. Then it is off to get 9mm ammo. This is going to be an expensive week. :(

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 18:03

flyingirish04 wrote:
57js wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:There is a 75B at my local gun shop. Brand new, 9mm but they want $625 for it. Apparently cost for CZs went WAY up recently.
$625 is nuts. Buds sold it for $488 when it was in stock, and my local place has it for $499 (add in 8.1% sales tax). Since so many places don't have any in stock, I suspect there is more of supply issue at this point.
I know. That is what I said, and that is the story I got from the assistant manager there. I buy a lot from them, and work exclusively with the manager, who wasn't there. So I can't say for sure that is the truth. I am not in the market for a 75B anyway so I didn't push it. I did notice that the CZ Rifles were up too. Apparently they are really behind on manufacturing. They are just now getting some of the guns they ordered 6 months ago. On a good note, they have a RAMI there for $329. It was used by in good shape. I almost bought it. If it is still there Tuesday, I just may make an offer.
The last year or two seems to be crazy to get guns and parts. The local store I go to didn't get in a CMMG .22LR for several months, and then only a few which didn't last too long on the shelf. I guess CZ is behind as well on some of their steel models.

I remember buying my FsN in 2009 for about $980 which I thought was high until I saw that they are now going for over $1100 around here.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 04 Sep 2011, 18:07

flyingirish04 wrote:
blueorison wrote:It does have a slightly different trigger, IIRC.

I know the BVAC you're talking about. I have shot it. I would go with WOLF crap 9mm over it.

After 500 rounds the trigger is revolver smooth on a CZ. I'm doing a trigger job for a member of my team as I type this, but it is unnecessary once you break your gun in.

The Phantom feels very good to shoot and manipulation in dynamic shooting.

I actually think the Phantom is one of the best feeling poly guns out there. And I am not a poly fan at all. Don't like the feel. But the Phantom feels good. Personally, I would go with that if it is cheaper. From my experience the trigger didn't feel that different at all, but I am shooting my buddy's broke in guns when I shoot CZs.
I shoot mostly revolvers which are steel/aluminum, and the FsN which is polymer. I might not know what I am missing with a steel semi since I never shot one before, but you and Blue have good things to stay about the Phantom so I have some serious thinking to do.

The steel CZ75B is cheaper than the Phantom, but no one has them at a decent price. The steel SP-01 is more than the Phantom. If the steel CZ 75B was available at a good price, I would go with it over the Phantom. I just wish I knew when the 75B would be in stock because if it will be in a few weeks, I will certainly wait for it.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Sep 2011, 19:17

Yeah, gun parts are tight. I waited 4 months for my Lilja barrel blank. Virginia, the office manager in Plains told me she has never seen business as jumping as now.

I have had a 454 Casull Ruger Alaskan on order for 5 months. Savage has yet to release rifles they promised out in Feb. GreyBull Precision is 6 months out on their rifles, luckily their optics are only 2 months out. Burris is short scope rings even!!! The only thing that isn't tight is components for reloading. Which a couple years ago, you couldn't find.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Sep 2011, 20:23

And the endorsement for the phantom is kool-aid free. I don't own a single CZ pistol, I prefer the feel and accuracy of Sigs. But I would buy a Phantom before I ever bought a poly SigPro or 250.
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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by panzermk2 » 04 Sep 2011, 20:36

57js wrote:
blueorison wrote:Get the steel version. If you like polymer guns (I like them the same as steel, doesn't matter to me) then you could get the Phantom. I would recommend the steel version for you, however.

The Phantom fits really nicely in your hand, also, and is lighter. I would pay the difference and go for steel for a range gun.
I can't find any of the CZ's for a reasonable price in stock at my usual places, but they all have the IMI steel version. Is the CZ that much better where I should wait for it to come in or is the IMI version very similar? I don't mind waiting a bit (Nevada'a NICS CCW exemption is in flux right now), but don't want to wait four or five months.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by f3rr37 » 04 Sep 2011, 22:22

Unfortunately Ray isn't a CZ stocking dealer... I asked. I picked up my CZ-75B from Keith's Sporting Goods in Gresham, OR, for $469.

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Re: 9MM Guns

Post by 57js » 05 Sep 2011, 08:35

flyingirish04 wrote:And the endorsement for the phantom is kool-aid free. I don't own a single CZ pistol, I prefer the feel and accuracy of Sigs. But I would buy a Phantom before I ever bought a poly SigPro or 250.
That is saying a lot since I was looking into the SigPro and the P250.

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