New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

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Post by Nickf150fx4 » 25 Jun 2011, 16:53

Great info you guys keep it comin!

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Re: New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by Tachycardia » 25 Jun 2011, 19:56

rgkitchen wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:Kel-Tecs are made from the same alloys as the FsN. I think you may be drinking a bit of their kool-aid.
From the Kel-Tec PMR-30 web site . . . .

Slide and barrel are 4140 steel, frame is 7075 aluminum. Grip, slide cover, trigger, mag release, and safety levers are glass reinforced Nylon (Zytel), much like other Kel-Tec Pistols.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not familiar with the materials that go into an FN pistol, however, I do like them. I just can't afford them.

I was under the impression it was poly, my bad.

There is one on backpage right now for $200, may just pick it up and try my luck

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Post by flyingirish04 » 25 Jun 2011, 20:13

rgkitchen wrote:
flyingirish04 wrote:Kel-Tecs are made from the same alloys as the FsN. I think you may be drinking a bit of their kool-aid.
From the Kel-Tec PMR-30 web site . . . .

Slide and barrel are 4140 steel, frame is 7075 aluminum. Grip, slide cover, trigger, mag release, and safety levers are glass reinforced Nylon (Zytel), much like other Kel-Tec Pistols.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not familiar with the materials that go into an FN pistol, however, I do like them. I just can't afford them.
Yep, no different than all major manufacturers poly guns. :thumb:
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Post by kalani » 25 Jun 2011, 23:01

are you using th hand gun load 22 mag ammo?
http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-45g ... al-Defense" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and of course the CCI TNT maximag. there was another company that was making 22 wmr pistol round but the name alludeds me i saw the box said handgun on it. Mabe federal?

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Post by Buffman » 26 Jun 2011, 06:13

^^ That's new. Up till they came out with the PMR, most all .22WMR was designed around rifle barrel length weapons

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Post by rgkitchen » 26 Jun 2011, 07:21

Yes, Hornady now manufactures .22 Mag 45gr. Critical Defense ammunition, but I haven't tried it, yet . . . .

http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-45g ... al-Defense" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Although the listed ballistics are for only a 1-7/8” barrel, and I don’t know how to convert that information to a 4-1/2” barrel. There is a gelatin comparison with 380 Auto on their web page.

Speer is also coming out with .22 Mag 40gr. pistol ammunition . . . .

http://www.speer-ammo.com/products/954.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Their information is also for a very short barrel. Kel-Tec claims a 40gr. muzzle energy of 138 ft-lbs, but that was with CCI Maxi-Mags. I wonder what it would be with the new pistol optimized ammunition?

My preference is for Federal Champion 40gr. FMJ and Federal Game-Shok 50gr. JHP. I have been told that FMJ bullets penetrate better and that there is no expansion from hollow point bullets when shot from pistols. I like the Game-Shok simply because it is the largest round available for .22 Mag, even though it is a hollow point. Under 25 yards (pistol range) it would still pack quite a wollop.

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Post by Buffman » 26 Jun 2011, 13:12

Hornady Lists their velocity at 1700 FPS from a 24" barrel. That's only a 700 FPS gain over 22" increase in barrel length. But that's making assumptions that 24" is needed for max velocity.

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Post by kalani » 01 Jul 2011, 09:19

I watched the video pmr-30 fail video. looks like you not a 100% with your toys function. Also I wonder when you pmr was made the the latter batches last year were bugged down by an incorrectly made barrels from a third party. But you issues seems to be magzine perhapps not seating right or a some extra material on magazine its self........

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Post by kalani » 01 Jul 2011, 11:16

its my under standing that 22 wmr and 17 hmr AMMUNITION MAKERS are not consistant with there. loading. THATs why many semi auto 22wmr and 17 hmr makers have issues with there riflesw evidently 17 hmr is the biggest culprit of the lot magnium research has recalled and stop making their semi auto 17hmr riffle . I only had to break in new guns when using cheap ammo like wincheaster target with my S&W/Walther ppk/s and my hi point 9540 carbine . when I used hornady or pmc ammo both cycle fine. after awhile of shooting the hotter stuff the ppk/s shot the wincheaster much more reliable.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 01 Jul 2011, 11:47

I don't know when the gun was manufactured but I had them send me the latest and greatest barrel before ever shooting it. As far as seating the ammo in the magazines, KT gives very specific instructions on how to do that, and I followed them to the T.

I can't speak to the consistency of the ammo, but I am using the KT's recommended rounds from CCI (who I understand has a pretty good reputation).

I anticipate that the gun will function better after I send it to KT for repairs which will be the week of 7/17/11.
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Post by fzr confused » 17 Jul 2011, 12:26

just wondering if you got to do the shoot? not trying to rush you or the videos/reviews or anything, just wondering if it went down :)

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 17 Jul 2011, 12:59

Yes, did the shoot, had some issues with the chronograph (it got shot), so that part will be re-done on Tuesday. The videos will be up within a week.

The PMR-30 behaved for the gel block shots, but when some of the people tried shooting a full mag through it, it was the same-old-same-old. The thing fails...
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Post by TerryGecko » 17 Jul 2011, 15:37

jgreenberg01 wrote:Yes, did the shoot, had some issues with the chronograph (it got shot), so that part will be re-done on Tuesday. The videos will be up within a week.

The PMR-30 behaved for the gel block shots, but when some of the people tried shooting a full mag through it, it was the same-old-same-old. The thing fails...
I don't remember how many rounds I shot out of it but the mag wasn't full and I had like 5 failures. I like the idea of a semi auto 22magnum pistol but after shooting yours, I am disappoint.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 17 Jul 2011, 15:44

I just shot a PMR-30 today. Same issue, had a ton of FTF. I never go through a whole magazine. I asked the guy at the range that I rented it from if that was usually the outcome, and he said that unfortunately that was his experience to and should have told me about it before I paid to rent it. I told him thats fine, I wanted to find out for myself, but he still gave me a free rental. Tried out a Ruger LC9 one more time. Still thinking about picking one of those up. Price is right, wish it shot better than the LCP though.

Still I am placing the PMR squarely in POS territory. I would not recommend anyone purchase one.
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Post by rgkitchen » 17 Jul 2011, 18:30

I wish I could help you with your test. I can't comment on your results, but I have not experienced anything but the rare slide hold open with one round remaining since my first rebuild in January. I routinely run through full mags (25 rounds), one after another, with no problems other than what I previously mentioned.

This last weekend I competed in a PPC (Police Pistol Combat) Match using my PMR-30. Below is an outline of the match . . . .

Course of Fire:

Stage A: 12 rounds at 3 yards in 25 seconds, standing, no support, one hand only. Draw, fire 6 rounds right hand, reload, fire 6 rounds left hand.

Stage B: 12 rounds at 7 yards in 30 seconds, standing, no support, two hands. Draw, fire six rounds, reload, fire 6 rounds.

Stage C: 6 rounds at 15 yards in 12 seconds, standing, no support, two hands. Draw, fire 6 rounds.

- Stop, score competitor to your right. Then check your own score, hang new target or repair center, and return to 15 yard line.

Stage D: 12 rounds at 15 yards in 35 seconds, standing, no support, two hands. Draw, fire 6 rounds, reload, fire 6 rounds.

Stage E: 18 rounds at 25 yards in 90 seconds, two hands. Draw, fire 6 rounds kneeling, reload, fire 6 rounds left-handed from the left side of the barricade, reload, fire 6 rounds right-handed from right hand side of the barricade. You may use the barricade for support when shooting the left-hand and right-hand barricade positions.

- Stop, score competitor to your right, and sign competitor’s scorecard on “Scorer’s Signature” line. Check your own scorecard and sign on “Competitor’s Signature” line. Hang new target or repair center. Turn completed scorecard in to Range Safety Officer.


I had ten magazine changes using five magazines (each one twice, loaded with six rounds) and the only failure was a single magazine that locked open with one round remaining (I quickly racked it and finished the Stage). I used Federal Game-Shok 50gr. JHP. The target was a B27-E Silhouette Target . . . .

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I had all 12 shots in the X in Stage A, and all but one in the 10 or X in Stage B (one in the 8). Altogether, I had 21 out of 60 shots in the X, and all but one shot scored (one hit in the right shoulder). My final score was 553 out of 600. I don’t know if that is good or mediocre, but it’s good enough for me.

The light trigger made it real easy to switch between my strong hand and weak hand. No one at the match had seen a PMR-30 before, and they were surprised at how well it performed. I didn’t get to keep my target or scorecard, so I can’t post any proof of my score, but this is no fish tale, and I had a blast.

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Post by blueorison » 17 Jul 2011, 18:44

Great report. To what I know, PMR's are either hit or miss. No in betweens.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 17 Jul 2011, 18:50

I have to say I am surprised how well it performed. As for ammo selection, if you have to use one type of of ammo, then that is another knock against the gun. I used range designated ammo, maybe that is why.

Either way, I'm sticking with the FsN.
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Post by Buffman » 17 Jul 2011, 20:18

rgkitchen that's what my dad's using in his AutoMag II. He had some 40gr winchesters, and his groupings were like 12" at 10 yards. Went to those 50gr Game-Shok's and groups tightened right up. His II has a 6" Barrel.

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Re: New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by srt-4_jon » 18 Jul 2011, 04:59

You say full mag but then put 25 rds in parenthases. I'm confused.

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Post by rgkitchen » 18 Jul 2011, 07:26

srt-4_jon wrote:You say full mag but then put 25 rds in parenthases. I'm confused.
I'm sorry that I was confusing. For me, splitting a box of 50 shells between two magazines (25 rounds each) makes sense. So I consider 25 rounds as a "full magazine". I've never loaded them up to their full 30 rounds. Maybe that's why I've had minimal feeding issues, I can't say.

I have a holster with a single extra magazine pouch, so I have 50 readily available .22 Mag rounds with me when I do carry. If I need more, I have a double mag pouch that I can also slip onto my belt, giving me 100 total rounds in four magazines.

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