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Re: New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by Gramaton Cleric » 21 Jun 2011, 11:51

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Post by flyingirish04 » 21 Jun 2011, 13:07

Some of the super fine custom guns and well made production guns need break-ins. None of them are polymer framed though. My Kimber CS and Sigs had a few FTF in the first few magazines they shot, but after that worked flawlessly.

This isn't a break-in issue. Either the design is crap, or you got a lemon. Best of luck, hope KT treats you right.
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Post by Buffman » 21 Jun 2011, 14:14

You tried chambering a round, then removing the mag, and firing that round to see if it will fully extract?

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Re: New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by jgreenberg01 » 21 Jun 2011, 14:36

Buffman wrote:You tried chambering a round, then removing the mag, and firing that round to see if it will fully extract?
Yes, but it was hit or miss. It didn't seem to make a difference if the mag was in it or not.
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Post by Buffman » 21 Jun 2011, 15:59

interesting..

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Post by VeTTeMaNC486 » 23 Jun 2011, 09:17

I hope they get it straightened out for ya

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Re: New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by rgkitchen » 23 Jun 2011, 11:54

I joined this forum just so that I could follow and comment on your experiment. I did not want to set up a Youtube account, so I'm glad I found you here. I'm interested in your experiment not because I think that the PMR-30 is equivalent to the 5-7 (it obviously is not), but because I want to know how much they are different. The cost differential is very large (my PMR-30 was $299, which is about 1/3 - 1/4 the cost of a 5-7). If the performance of the PMR-30 is only 65%, or more, less than then 5-7 (1/3 the cost but 2/3 the performance), I would consider it a good value, as long as it functions at least 98%.

I picked up my PMR-30 last November, and I had similar failures to extract as you are experiencing, although I only experienced it about once every 2 or 3 magazines. After about 300 rounds it got better, but then after about 1,100 rounds it began having problems feeding. I sent it back, and it was repaired and returned to me in a little over two weeks. It was greatly improved after that, and I increased my shot count to about 2,500 rounds, when it experienced an OOB and was rendered unusable. Kel-Tec sent me a shipping label and completely rebuilt it. I now have the newest barrel and slide (along with a lot of other replaced parts). In my last three trips to the range (425 rounds), I have only experienced the occasional slide locking open with one round in the magazine (5 times out of 17 magazines). The accuracy is greatly improved, but the heat dissapation is a little worse. There are numerous design changes in my new PMR-30 as compared to how it was configured originally.

In your case, I don't want to assume, but have you watched the magazine loading video on the Kel-Tec web site? The magazines are very sensitive to proper loading technique. Now that mine are a little broken in, I load them in groups of 10-5-5-5. I have also found that the PMR-30 has to be very well lubricated. I've tried slide grease and spray lube, but the best for me are a couple drops of gun oil in the slide (for the barrel), on the sides of the barrel block, on the on the receiver slide rails, and on the base of the slide where it cocks the hammer back.

I shoot mostly CCI Maxi-Mag 40gr. JHP, Federal Champion 40gr. FMJ, and Federal Game-Shok 50gr. JHP. I load my magazines with only 25 rounds, simply because that evenly divides a box of ammo. I have been shooting pistol for only a couple of years, but I have a lot of experience with rifles. My reason for purchasing the PMR-30 is simply because it uses .22 Magnum. I have two other .22 Magnum guns (Winchester 9422M and Heritage Rough Rider 4-3/4" revolver), and I am planning on getting a Kel-Tec RMR-30 when they come out next year. I just wanted a semi-automatic pistol in the same cartridge family I was already using.

I have posted extensive atricles on my PMR-30 experiences, and can direct you to them if you like.
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 23 Jun 2011, 15:50

First, welcome to the forum!

To answer your question, yes I watched their mag loading video and followed the instructions exactly. As far as lubrication goes, I made sure to use plenty of gun oil in all appropriate areas.

Your gun fired OOB? As you can see in my video, the slide didn't completely cycle fairly often, so I am wondering if I should feel lucky that I didn't experience a KB?

I have the new barrel, made (and allegedly tested) in the second week of June 2011. It produces key holes fairly regularly with the CCI Max-Mag 40gr JHP, but it only did it twice with the Maxi-mag FMJ. Yours does not key hole?

The test results, data & videos will be posted here, in the EA part of the forum shortly after July 16.

And finally yes, I would like to see the articles that you posted.
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Post by Buffman » 23 Jun 2011, 15:57

Thanks for the info. ^^

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Post by rgkitchen » 23 Jun 2011, 17:34

Here are my posts on the KTOG Forum outlining my experiences with my PMR-30

Initial purchase
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1290034585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First range reports
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1290202180" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First trip back to Kel-Tec
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1295217915" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post repair report
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1297549872" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Miscellaneous targets
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1299987947" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Updated range report
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1301868516" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Attempt at mounting a Walthers laser
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1302747132" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Major failure report
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1303520509" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Upgraded PMR-30
http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB. ... 1307758101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Altogether, I've run the following through my PMR-30 . . . .

Federal Speer TNT 30gr. HP (weak)
CCI Maxi-Mag +V 30gr. HP
Hornady V-Max 30gr.
Winchester Supreme 30gr. HP
Remington 40gr. PSP
Remington 40gr. JHP
CCI Maxi-Mag 40gr. JHP
CCI Maxi-Mag 40gr. FMJ
Federal Champion 40gr. FMJ
Winchester Super-X 40gr. JHP
Winchester Super-X 40gr. FMJ
Winchester Dynapoint 45gr. (weak)
Federal GameShok 50gr. JHP

My preference is for the following: CCI Maxi-Mag 40gr. JHP, Federal Champion 40gr. FMJ, and Federal GameShok 50gr. JHP.

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Post by rgkitchen » 24 Jun 2011, 05:38

jgreenberg01 wrote:Your gun fired OOB? As you can see in my video, the slide didn't completely cycle fairly often, so I am wondering if I should feel lucky that I didn't experience a KB?
I'm almost 100% sure that a cartridge cannot fire when jammed in the manner shown in your videos. I'm almost 100% sure that mine exploded after firing. I guess you could more properly call it a case failure. Kel-Tec has redesigned the breech area of the PMR-30 so that the case and rim have more support (i.e. more steel surrounding them). If you have ever seen the full automatic videos of the PMR-30, you should note how reliably it can feed, when properly tuned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6GxFws8B7k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG1MwGX0CIM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As for your trigger problems, I have never experienced what you are going through. It is definitely not normal. Let Kel-Tec send you a shipping label and get it fixed. If you inform them of your planned test, they may even expidite it for you (as well as go over it with a fine toothed comb).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbgTG-dLZrc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by fzr confused » 24 Jun 2011, 06:47

Ok not gunna lie, that FA is pretty sweet.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 24 Jun 2011, 07:12

It is, but if FN made a FA FiveseveN, that would be sweeter.
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Post by fzr confused » 24 Jun 2011, 09:27

The way I figure it EA will build one soon enough ;)

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Post by panzermk2 » 24 Jun 2011, 10:21

fzr confused wrote:The way I figure it EA will build one soon enough ;)

Not soon enough, they take to long sometimes................. :ponder:
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Re: New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by Tachycardia » 24 Jun 2011, 11:34

rgkitchen, welcome to the forum and thanks for all the links, there was some good info in there.

I have considered getting one as they are so cheap but a bit wary now.

Perhaps it will just take some more time to iron out the issues?

I would like to see a similar model in a metal frame, I wonder if it would be a factor in performance?

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Post by rgkitchen » 25 Jun 2011, 08:19

Tachycardia wrote:I would like to see a similar model in a metal frame, I wonder if it would be a factor in performance?
I'm of the impression that it was Kel-Tec's goal to create a 30 round firearm that weighed almost nothing. As a hiking firearm, it is terrific. I've worn it in a holster for most of a day, and it felt as if it wasn't even there. A metal frame would undoubtedly double the weight.

One thing in Kel-Tec’s favor is that the main components are steel or aluminum, not some “super alloy”. I’ve been very satisfied with mine, so far, even with all I’ve been through. I’m not a firearms expert, I’m only a beginner pistol shooter who wanted a .22 Magnum semi-automatic pistol, and the PMR-30 fulfills my expectations.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 25 Jun 2011, 08:27

rgkitchen wrote:
Tachycardia wrote:I would like to see a similar model in a metal frame, I wonder if it would be a factor in performance?
I'm of the impression that it was Kel-Tec's goal to create a 30 round firearm that weighed almost nothing. As a hiking firearm, it is terrific. I've worn it in a holster for most of a day, and it felt as if it wasn't even there. A metal frame would undoubtedly double the weight.

One thing in Kel-Tec’s favor is that the main components are steel or aluminum, not some “super alloy”. I’ve been very satisfied with mine, so far, even with all I’ve been through. I’m not a firearms expert, I’m only a beginner pistol shooter who wanted a .22 Magnum semi-automatic pistol, and the PMR-30 fulfills my expectations.
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Kel-Tecs are made from the same alloys as the FsN. I think you may be drinking a bit of their kool-aid. MTM and aluminum in major firearms are the virtually the same material, and are both alloys. The only way that a guns quality of alloy or making material can really be questioned is if it is made of stamped alloy, and most new guns aren't. And even if they are, the quality of the stamping can at times be very good.

Kel-Tec doesn't make their firearms to any greater a degree of quality when compared to the rest of the established firearm companies. Not in the least.
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Post by rgkitchen » 25 Jun 2011, 14:47

flyingirish04 wrote:Kel-Tecs are made from the same alloys as the FsN. I think you may be drinking a bit of their kool-aid.
From the Kel-Tec PMR-30 web site . . . .

Slide and barrel are 4140 steel, frame is 7075 aluminum. Grip, slide cover, trigger, mag release, and safety levers are glass reinforced Nylon (Zytel), much like other Kel-Tec Pistols.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not familiar with the materials that go into an FN pistol, however, I do like them. I just can't afford them.

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Post by Nickf150fx4 » 25 Jun 2011, 16:53

Great info you guys keep it comin!

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