New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

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New Kel-Tec PMR-30 Purchase, for just one purpose...

Post by jgreenberg01 » 08 Jun 2011, 15:11

Ok, I'm pretty sure I am out of my mind - I mean money doesn't grow on trees, right?

I was discussing the merits of the 5.7 round on another board when the .22mag comparison came up. Now these guys are all about the FBI penetration standards and will listen to no other arguments (well sort of). It was a very long, yet civil back and forth and I offered to send them some 5.7 rounds to test. Well they didn't have a 5.7 platform and I ended up agreeing to meet them half way.

On July 16th we are going to meet in SC and do testing of SS197, ProtecTOR, S5 & S4M rounds into ballistics gel. Additionally we will shoot through denim into gel & meat. Other barriers will be tested as well and of course it will all be chronographed.

I bought the PMR-30 so that the .22WMR can be tested alongside through a 4" barrel - no more rifle to pistol comparisons.

All of this will be on video along with a full report within 2 days of the testing.

Now I just have to figure out what part of my safe to leave this new addition in because after the testing, I'm not sure when/where I'd use it. By the way, first impressions: The PMR-30 is LIGHT, I mean it really feels like a toy. Also the construction is not exactly top notch - you can see (and feel) the seams where the frame was welded together. Maybe my impression will change after I shoot it, we'll see...

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Post by Prepper » 08 Jun 2011, 15:21

I have a 30 round mag that is made to look like an extension of the FsN grip if you want to borrow it.
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Post by Rapier1772 » 08 Jun 2011, 15:25

You bought a PMR just for this test?
Maybe you should've contacted nutnfancy & borrowed his :laugh: The only thing I've heard about them is that they jam a lot?

Can't really fault you for buying it though - I bought a .22 pistol just to teach someone how to shoot & I haven't heard from him since I got it. Maybe because I told him he'd have to buy his own ammo? :laugh:

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the reports... & the converts :D
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Post by PainKillaX » 08 Jun 2011, 15:30

I am seriously looking forward to this.

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Post by Buffman » 08 Jun 2011, 16:25

Could have just pointed them to brass fetchers... 22WMR can penetrate 12" from even a snubby barrel but it's cavity isn't very big at all.

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Post by fzr confused » 08 Jun 2011, 17:53

What's wrong with buying a gun for just this test? I bought a bolt action .22 because the 50rd box of sub sonics I was given wouldn't cycle my 10/22 lol. You will find other uses for this gun too. The best thing to use this gun for is practice...and by practice I mean jam clearing practice :p

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Post by MikeSantor » 08 Jun 2011, 18:20

My brother in law works for Knight armament as an engineer. Supposedly its right down the street from Kel. He was in last week for a family wedding and we were talking about it. He says he has been in there facility and seen a lot of there stuff and it is pretty low quality/ bad tolerance stuff. interesting stuff...

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 08 Jun 2011, 18:53

MikeSantor wrote:My brother in law works for Knight armament as an engineer. Supposedly its right down the street from Kel. He was in last week for a family wedding and we were talking about it. He says he has been in there facility and seen a lot of there stuff and it is pretty low quality/ bad tolerance stuff. interesting stuff...
I think he may be correct. I have not even shot the gun yet and just in handling it, working the slide... I don't see this thing standing up to any serious use. I could be wrong, but I'll be surprised if I am. Either way, time will tell...
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Post by cHaMeLeoN352 » 08 Jun 2011, 22:27

It will be interesting to see the results!

The one thing I didn't like about the Kel-tec when I handled it at a show, was the magazine release on the bottom of the grip. This was inconvenient and slow for reloads.

I expect the 22 mag to perform well, with good penetration and minimal cavity damage, but be outperformed by the 5.7 in both categories, with devastating wound channels in comparison.

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Post by blueorison » 10 Jun 2011, 23:44

Please be careful, Greenberg, and do not let the PMR KB on you.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 11 Jun 2011, 13:01

You guys are doing wonders for my confidence level... :ponder:
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jgreenberg01 wrote:You guys are doing wonders for my confidence level... :ponder:
Drinking usually helps :lmao:

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Post by Mister Freeze » 11 Jun 2011, 15:10

MikeSantor wrote:My brother in law works for Knight armament as an engineer. Supposedly its right down the street from Kel. He was in last week for a family wedding and we were talking about it. He says he has been in there facility and seen a lot of there stuff and it is pretty low quality/ bad tolerance stuff. interesting stuff...

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Post by VeTTeMaNC486 » 11 Jun 2011, 21:45

Interesting. Where in SC?? If it is near by I can take off work and bring my ps90 and we can do rifle vs rifle while we are at it, if you and the other parties would be interested.

Be prepared, people will believe what they want to believe. If the facts do not support what they believe, they will find some way to discredit and/or distort them and continue on being ignorant/stupid. .22mag vs 5.7mm comparison is absolutely terrible. Thats like .45 auto vs .454 casull. Larger capacity case running at higher pressure. No need to argue about this as the more powerful of the two is obvious.

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 12 Jun 2011, 04:33

VeTTeMaNC486 wrote:Interesting. Where in SC?? If it is near by I can take off work and bring my ps90 and we can do rifle vs rifle while we are at it, if you and the other parties would be interested.

Be prepared, people will believe what they want to believe. If the facts do not support what they believe, they will find some way to discredit and/or distort them and continue on being ignorant/stupid. .22mag vs 5.7mm comparison is absolutely terrible. Thats like .45 auto vs .454 casull. Larger capacity case running at higher pressure. No need to argue about this as the more powerful of the two is obvious.
I agree, naysayers will always want to argue out of ignorance. If I can create at least one convert... great. If not - shooting stuff is fun, and there will be a lot of guns there to shoot stuff with!

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 15 Jun 2011, 10:44

Well I had an interesting session at the range with the PMR-30 and while this is my 1st Kel-Tec and it's a sampling on just one gun... I'm inclined to believe the quality issues expressed earlier in this thread.

Here is my video review for those that have 18 minutes to spare...



I'm going to put some more rounds through it prior to the big test on July 16 and hope it doesn't go kaboom on me. Along with the .22WMR, we'll be testing SS190s and EA's: ProtecTOR, S5, PenetraTOR and S4Ms. I'll post the videos & supporting data in the EA forum within a week of the tests.
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Post by panzermk2 » 15 Jun 2011, 11:21

Vids perfect, great review!
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Post by Gramaton Cleric » 15 Jun 2011, 15:53

Awesome! Im looking forward to the test as well! It never ceases to amaze me; about peoples lack of faith in the 5.7
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Post by blueorison » 15 Jun 2011, 16:16

I am very apathetic towards people's like or dislike towards the FsN and the round it fires.

The general public is horridly insecure and always are searching for reassurance for any platform and caliber they own. Most of them are highly incapable of even placing the rounds where it counts, making the argument to whether the platform or caliber is effective completely null.

Those that do not like the FsN or the 5.7x28mm are no different.

More ammunition for us, when they don't purchase the platform. :)
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 15 Jun 2011, 16:33

Blue: always looking on the bright side of irrationality!

Personally speaking, I have no problem with speaking ill of a gun I own. If I can't shoot accurately with it, it's either user error, a bad match for me or as in the case of this PMR-30...

I tryly believe it's a new platform with some serious bugs that need to be worked out. I've sold/traded guns I didn't like and I may do that at some point with this gun. My challenge now is to not let this experience sour me towards Kel-Tec because the RFB and KSG look damn sexy to me.

As far as the 5.7 naysayers... I don't take it personally, but I wouldn't mind converting one or two of them from the dark side. I suppose it's just one of those things that would give me a personal sense of satisfaction. Besides, one or two converts won't limit our ammo supply :laugh:
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