Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by Buffman » 15 Jul 2010, 13:59

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:I would imagine that if they went to the trouble to make Polygonal rifling... they'd advertise it. So far the cheapest I"ve found the FNP-45 TAC is $910.00. Thats about 400 more than the normal FNP-45, and the only thing I"m getting is night sights and a threaded barrel. Seems a little out of proporition.

You're getting raised night sites (figure $100), A custom soft case ($80+?) A factory threaded barrel ($???), not to mention a completely different slide machined with a notch for a red dot..

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Post by Buffman » 15 Jul 2010, 14:38

standard rifling. Hard to see in pic:

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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 15 Jul 2010, 17:44

Any you guys ever notice that the custom soft-case that the gun comes in, is EXACTLY the same as the old soft case that the USP Tactical came with? Hmmmmm... interesting.

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Post by toyslr » 15 Jul 2010, 18:12

Smoother trigger on the FN, 15 Round mags vs. 12 Rounders, 3 mags instead of 2, Nightsites (Raised) vs. standard sites,
threaded barrell protector. WIN-WIN with the FN

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by xamoel » 16 Jul 2010, 01:25

@ buffman: thanks for taking the pic!

even if it isn't polygonal, i think the hammer forging process makes the barrel very durable as well, even though a polygonal hammer forged might take more abuse, but that's just theoretical, noone will probably ever reach the end of the barrel life.

for your interest, the only dealer that can import the FNP-45T to my destination in europe wants 1750€ for it (about 2200 USD), compared to 1550€ (2000 USD) for the HK45. rather expensive i think!

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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 16 Jul 2010, 05:07

What about the following?

Seems to me the HK has a better name when it comes to proven reliability. It also has a unique recoil reduction system, not just a spring in it like the FN and other guns. The HK has a dozen other little "fit and finish" details, everything from the hostile environment finish process to the proprietary HK trigger system.

The FN on the other hand has a lot of new design features though, like the co-witness holosight slide, and the 15 round double-stack mags. Also, I'm either going to have to buy a new .45 can, or change out the piston on my Gemtech to get the .578x28 threads to fit my Blackside.

Granted both these weapons are definately not fit for CCW, they are full size service pistols, which are great for target shooting or if you're a Law Enforcement officer. But the .45ACP is designed to go against unarmored human targets, its not powerful enough for woods carry (IMO), and it too friggin big to do anything else with. But nonetheless I'm drawn towards halo-guns like this, I guess becuase they make excellent SHTF weapons.

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Post by xamoel » 16 Jul 2010, 08:50

SHTF (and some hunting) as the only thing i want this weapon in the first place.

and your exactly right, it's about those tiny details. but the pre-milled slide for the red dot is imo the way of the future, it's just so much easier to use than iron sights, so why not have this on your secondary weapon as well.

for now the FNP-45 tactical is the only gun available with this design, and even though i'm not 100% sure of its reliability, and don't like external levers and DA/SA, i'll still probably gonna get it.
who knows if this (MRDS mount feature) will be succesfull. though i hope to see all guns, including 9mm, having it, and an improved version of the FNP with DAO maybe and polygonal rifling etc as well.

if it turns out not to have a successor i'll probably be the only person in my country having it, and may sell it for a profit (hopefully) if it turns out to be unreliable.

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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 16 Jul 2010, 09:57

Its all but a done deal now. Just got off the phone with my local shop, I'm a frequent flyer there so they came down considerably in price. :clap: Oh, that and I have about $2000 in custom CLIII jobs being performed by their smith there. :lmao:

Sad to say but I decided to trade in one of my old wheel guns... just dont feel like stocking .44mag anymore.

Should expect to see the new FNP in my collection sometime mid next week.

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Post by flyingirish04 » 16 Jul 2010, 10:49

I'm with you on 44 Mag. I have no use for the round any more. Too small for griz, too big for everything else. I sold my 629 ES last year. If I get another wheel gun, it will be a Ruger Alaskan in 454.
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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 16 Jul 2010, 14:53

Wow flyingirish, you and I think alike. I went ahead and paid in full for the FNP Tactical... unfortunately the gun wasn't in stock (missed it by just a few days) so they had to order one from another shop :wall:

Good news is that I got it FOR A GREAT DEAL, yes... the first number started with an 8 !!!! :p

I gave away my Superblackhawk .44 mag at an absolute steal though. Like you said Irish, too small for heavy/dangerous game (IMO), and too big for anything else, plus the .44 doesn't co-shoot with any of my other guns. I couldn't justify keeping ANOTHER caliber in stock for just one rarely-used weapon. Also agreeing with you that my next wheel gun will be the Alaskan, been looking at that one for over a year now, just waiting to find one at the right price and in-stock. Unfortunately , very few shops carry the gun as the demand is quite low apparently. I'm still not thrilled about keeping either .45LC or .454 Cassul in stock, it goes against my mantra of having only 4 pistol rounds that I can't do without. 9mm, .45acp, 10mm, and of course 5.7.x28.

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Post by fooschnickens » 18 Jul 2010, 21:35

SeaHawkDriver-B wrote:Any you guys ever notice that the custom soft-case that the gun comes in, is EXACTLY the same as the old soft case that the USP Tactical came with? Hmmmmm... interesting.
Seeing as Eagle made them both I'm not terribly surprised to see that :laugh:
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Post by hookdriver » 20 Jul 2010, 17:07

I've seen a few black tacticals on sturmgewehr from time to time. There is one now for $899 if anyone is interested. I'm stuck in the sandbox so no purchases for a while.

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Post by SeaHawkDriver-B » 20 Jul 2010, 18:11

Yes the black FNP-45 tactical will be out in greater numbers soon. For some reason they release the FDE's 1st. Personally, as the owner of about a dozen "black guns", I'm actually warming up to the two-tone FDE/ODG. I think with some black accessories like an optic, suppressor, and light... the original FDE going to attract some serious looks.

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Post by Buffman » 20 Jul 2010, 18:15

It's TWO TONE FDE/FDE :)

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Post by gearhead » 02 Aug 2010, 08:50

FN hammer forges standard rifling. It's not polygonal.

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Post by blueorison » 03 Aug 2010, 12:01

15 rounds.

Enough said. Also, the HK is not premilled to accept a co-witnessing sight. That alone changes the entire game for me, it's almost apples to oranges at that point.

FN realizes the future. I don't shoot open in IPSC, but for practical use, I opine that red dots are the best sights out there for rapid, close to medium range use.
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Post by fastmtnbiker33w » 10 Sep 2010, 12:06

I'm so hot on this pistol! I used to be an HK stalwart, but today, after getting released from jury duty, I decided to take my 27 year old HK SL7 to the local shop as I'm in search of a more shootable ar10 style rifle. Especially something with more parts availability. So the SL7 is on consignment.

I'd never been in the shop before so I had to check everything out. They had 2 FNP 45 models. As a USP 45 owner and a previous USP compact 45 owner, this pistol really got me going. I have big hands and I liked the grip much better than the USP full size. The trigger felt WAY better than my USP trigger in both SA and DA mode. And 15 rounds!!! Are you kidding me? That's A LOT of fire power and the grip seems smaller than any 45 double stack I've held. The only thing I noticed that was possibly a problem was the slide release. It's much smaller than the USP. Salesmen seemed to think the gun was going to take off and aftermarket parts might become available in a couple of years.

What really makes me want to trade my USP in for the FNP is the cut rifling in the barrel. YAY! I can shoot lead bullets! That saves so much money in reloading costs it's not even funny. I guess I could have forked over $150 for a cut rifled barrel for the USP, but I never bothered.

I know the shop won't do a straight trade for my full size USP 45 with 4-10 round mags and original case (or will they?), so I may have to fess up a Ben Franklin on the deal. What do you guys think?

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Post by blueorison » 10 Sep 2010, 13:50

fastmtnbiker33w wrote:I'm so hot on this pistol! I used to be an HK stalwart, but today, after getting released from jury duty, I decided to take my 27 year old HK SL7 to the local shop as I'm in search of a more shootable ar10 style rifle. Especially something with more parts availability. So the SL7 is on consignment.

I'd never been in the shop before so I had to check everything out. They had 2 FNP 45 models. As a USP 45 owner and a previous USP compact 45 owner, this pistol really got me going. I have big hands and I liked the grip much better than the USP full size. The trigger felt WAY better than my USP trigger in both SA and DA mode. And 15 rounds!!! Are you kidding me? That's A LOT of fire power and the grip seems smaller than any 45 double stack I've held. The only thing I noticed that was possibly a problem was the slide release. It's much smaller than the USP. Salesmen seemed to think the gun was going to take off and aftermarket parts might become available in a couple of years.

What really makes me want to trade my USP in for the FNP is the cut rifling in the barrel. YAY! I can shoot lead bullets! That saves so much money in reloading costs it's not even funny. I guess I could have forked over $150 for a cut rifled barrel for the USP, but I never bothered.

I know the shop won't do a straight trade for my full size USP 45 with 4-10 round mags and original case (or will they?), so I may have to fess up a Ben Franklin on the deal. What do you guys think?
I laughed at that HK stalwart comment.

Welcome to the forum, biker! Hope you have a good time here and looking forward to learning from your contributions :)

To me, FNP/X triggers are smoother and have less travel than the HK triggers. The FNP/X triggers remind me of the Walther triggers, but also with less travel, and are somewhat related to the HK's. This is after breaking them in, of course. HK's don't take that long for break-in, and FNP's only a few hundred rounds. The break of the FNP/X's are definitely better than most HK's I've shot (alot of stock ones, no match triggers.)

By the way, who told you that cut in the barrel can't shoot lead bullets? :)
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Post by PainKillaX » 10 Sep 2010, 13:55

blueorison wrote: By the way, who told you that cut in the barrel can't shoot lead bullets? :)
I think he means because it's cut in the barrel, it can shoot lead bullets. I don't know other types of rifling, but this leads me to believe those CAN'T shoot lead.
fastmtnbiker33w wrote: What really makes me want to trade my USP in for the FNP is the cut rifling in the barrel. YAY! I can shoot lead bullets! That saves so much money in reloading costs it's not even funny. I guess I could have forked over $150 for a cut rifled barrel for the USP, but I never bothered.
But I dunno :D

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Post by blueorison » 10 Sep 2010, 14:23

I know exactly to what he's referring, but I want to hear it from him on which cuts he thinks can shoot lead and which can't, and where he heard it from/why not.

:)

Just curious.
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