Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by fastmtnbiker33w » 10 Sep 2010, 14:43

Polygonal barrels are not supposed to have lead bullets through them. HK does not specifically warn against it, but Glock does. Polygonal is polygonal. So I'm not going to do it in HK. I'm not going to spend an hour or so soaking a pg barrel in Hoppes #9 and running countless brush and patch passes through it to try to defoul it or risk pressure build ups during a long day at the range.

Cut rifling is lead bullet friendly.

blueorison....I put at least 3000 rounds through my HK and that trigger never got any better. I could never shoot it DA unless I was only a few feet from my target. Forget trying to shoot it lefty. I can shoot my revolver and my 1911 lefty no problem. I can't do my HK lefty even SA. To have a smith work on it I'd have to send it out....$$ on the FFL. So I just deal with it. Maybe I can change that to "dealt with it"!

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by blueorison » 10 Sep 2010, 15:39

fastmtnbiker33w wrote:Polygonal barrels are not supposed to have lead bullets through them. HK does not specifically warn against it, but Glock does. Polygonal is polygonal. So I'm not going to do it in HK. I'm not going to spend an hour or so soaking a pg barrel in Hoppes #9 and running countless brush and patch passes through it to try to defoul it or risk pressure build ups during a long day at the range.

Cut rifling is lead bullet friendly.

blueorison....I put at least 3000 rounds through my HK and that trigger never got any better. I could never shoot it DA unless I was only a few feet from my target. Forget trying to shoot it lefty. I can shoot my revolver and my 1911 lefty no problem. I can't do my HK lefty even SA. To have a smith work on it I'd have to send it out....$$ on the FFL. So I just deal with it. Maybe I can change that to "dealt with it"!
Biker, I already LIKE your style.

You come on this new forum, and your second post talks about shooting a gun with the support hand, and that it is part of your analysis of whether a gun is shootable or not.

So much respect.

You have no clue how many hours I have to spend listening to drone monkeys and my tacticool friends talk about how they want to buy a SCAR or FN or some other firearm for the foremost reason of "how it looks".

It is so refreshing to see someone actually applying the skills and simple firearm philosophies of people like Jeff Cooper and Mass.

By the way, Glock warns against it, but I've put over a thousand lead rounds through the Glock 17. Accuracy has not diminished, nor barrel fouled. Cleaning is a breeze, no different than jacketed rounds. Before the thousand rounds, the Glock already had thousands put through it.

And when I say accuracy wasn't diminished, I meant I was shooting the plate rack at 75 yards at 6 inch plates and hit every shot.

By the way, manufacturers also warn against reloads, changing the grip, and springs. It's just a disclaimer. But it's your gun, treat it how you may. I'm just giving you first hand information vs. someone from a forum too afraid to actually shoot their gun. :cya:
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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by bobapunk » 10 Sep 2010, 16:56

My FNP-45 is NOT polygonal.
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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by fastmtnbiker33w » 10 Sep 2010, 19:27

Yeah blueorison. I've had several people tell me that quality hard cast lead bullets are fine in the pg barrels. I load pretty light....just enough to reliably cycle the action....so getting any sort of melt down probably would never had been a problem. Not like my .454 where anything over a standard .45LC load needs a gas check behind a hard cast. I just never took the chance. Remington jacketed HP's are always super cheap if you buy a 1000. But I will be happy to start saving a bit more by only having to reload lead. I shoot lead in the 1911 exclusively. Nice light load....light spring. Something that doesn't scare the wife when she wants to toss some lead downrange and lets me shoot a lot without getting a sore wrist or blisters.

I've always been one to choose fit and function over fashion. My body demands it. I'm about 6 and half feet tall and wear a size 15. As a former pro and still pretty fast mountain biker I never saw great success until I got a custom made titanium bike. It was substantially heavier than the stock flyweight carbon fiber stuff, but I've yet to break one. I now have a blingy carbon bike that a company is making in my size but I broke it 3 times in 5 months. The last time was the beginning of my summer vacation after I had been on the road for 3 weeks. I carried that broken bike around for the entire summer. Luckily I brought that heavier titanium rig along for a spare. It served me well and I found myself on or just barely off the podium all summer.

The gun hobby is not as big as my mountain bike passion. I'm an army vet and my dad has always been a competitive shooter and collector. His advice has always served me well and provided me with a pretty vast knowledge base. I haven't kept up much over the past few years due to a new job and other stuff. It's amazing how many cool new things are out there. The "tacticool" aspect is interesting and goes to show how much firearms have become big boy toys over the past couple decades. A huge number of returning OEF and OIF vets I'm sure are a major contributor to that market.

That new FNP tactical is a fine example as to what you were referring to. Why would you want to buy a threaded barreled pistol? Do you really want to pay for a silencer? Or the tax stamp for a silencer? You can't carry it with a silencer. Do you plan on making a "hit" with it? Seriously. The sights on the thing are super tall limiting you to using a specific holster that will allow it to slide out efficiently. Neat pistol....maybe legit for a true competition shooter, but not something I'd want to carry.

I must admit though that the OD green FNP 45 is what I'm going to have the shop order me. It looks really great! As soon as I get it I'll shoot through all 7 or 800 rounds I have ASAP. I have a feeling that after a 1000 or so, if it hasn't had any problems, the 1911 will start collecting dust (maybe time for that 22 conversion for the wife?).

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by blueorison » 10 Sep 2010, 20:39

Great to hear from someone like you, sir.

I'm in Austin, and attend the University of Texas. We have a very professional athletic department here, and this isn't sans the bikers. Even the informal bike meets are quite professionally done.

I'm in the physical therapy field and have volunteered and work for clinics that host free tents at the Tri's and K's. Big respect for athletes, especially runners and bikers.

Two summers ago, I spent my mornings waking up at 5:30am and biking at 85% for an hour, was a great workout. Hit the FITT lab, and got my fitness analyzed over the period of time. My VO2 max went up significantly.

As for the FNP, I would just go ahead and buy it. Tanners, a forum sponsor, had them for $400 flat on sale, however, not the OD one if I recall correctly. I have to concur on the OD; I own an OD FsN. It's probably as tacticool as it will get for me.

And I completely agree with your philosophy on "cool" toys. For those who can afford it and like them; I just can't see myself owning a suppressor on a gun that still requires me to wear hearing protection. Makes no sense.

Ps. Lance's bike shop here is a pretty nice place to get your bike fixed.
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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by fatherfoof » 10 Sep 2010, 23:00

Right on gents. 4 Glocks, shoot nothin' but reloads- been doin so for decades and not so much as a hiccup. Just keep cleaning your gun. The fools who shoot week after week without putting on my favorite after shave (Hoppes 9) create the bad press. Same goes with with AR nonsense re pistons. Clean the thing and whether it's gas ipt or piston doesn't matter. We just love to argue over petty details.
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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by fastmtnbiker33w » 12 Sep 2010, 08:34

Took my USP 45 to the gunshow yesterday. Despite not a single USP 45 on anyone's table, a 40 marked at $999, and a sign on mine for $650, I only received a lowball offer of $400. There also aren't any FNP 45's in green available right now.

Don't know about your guys' gun shows, but ours was weak. Lots of AR's both 15 and 10's! I picked up some business cards as I'm still quite interested in the AR10. There were a couple of Knight's Armaments. So it was kind of worth the trip in that regards. Not much cash flashing around yesterday at my show.

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by fastmtnbiker33w » 17 Sep 2010, 19:23

So I've got the cash together for a dark earth colored FNP 45 without having to sell the HK. I'm being patient and even decided to send my HK off to get the crappy trigger worked on by Bill at http://www.Triggerwork.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

My old man has a few connections in the wholesale gun world, so I'm going to wait to see what kind of price he can get me. Anything has got to be better than where I live. Let's just say that there's a fairly high level of fear in my neck of the woods and we also have a large military and LE population that helps keep demand and prices fairly high. Cold cash does do wonders however. Having the nuts to shoot the big mouth and the resources to reload and not have to buy factory ammo makes the prices and demand on the 45's a bit lower.

Anyway....I still have the hots for the FNP. But now that I have the cash and know I can buy one whenever a well-priced one shows up makes me covet the thing a bit less.

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by warlokk08 » 08 Dec 2010, 07:57

I am thinking the same as SeaHawkDriver. $400 more than the original FNP 45 for a threaded barrel and different sights is nuts. I love FNH, but unless i'm missing something (which is highly possible) I think it should be more in the $700-750 range tops. I have a H&K USP Custom Combat that I wouldn't think of giving up for a FNP45....just my opinion, though. I think the FNP45 is a great gun, but H&K has never failed me.

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Re: Thinking about picking up a FNP .45, HK Withdrawl!!!

Post by romer522 » 08 Dec 2010, 08:52

warlokk08 wrote:I am thinking the same as SeaHawkDriver. $400 more than the original FNP 45 for a threaded barrel and different sights is nuts. I love FNH, but unless i'm missing something (which is highly possible) I think it should be more in the $700-750 range tops. I have a H&K USP Custom Combat that I wouldn't think of giving up for a FNP45....just my opinion, though. I think the FNP45 is a great gun, but H&K has never failed me.

~$100-$150 for threaded barrel in limited quantities
$100-$150 for night sites
~$100 for extra machining for the red dot mount, limited quantities

Factor in the advertising for a different model in limited quantities, different case, cost to simply produce catalog and distribute another model, $400 more isn't really that bad if you actually want all the features it offers. If your only buying it for one of the 3 main features it seems spendy but it does indeed have enough value to justify it IMHO.


Now if they would just do a 9 tactical...............

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