Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?

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Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?

Post by Virginian » 25 Aug 2012, 10:40

I'm going to order a SCAR 17s soon and I'm kicking around what kind of optics to go with. I was thinking about the Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40 in FDE. I'm not too worried about the color matching the FDE on the rifle seeings how the whole rifle is a mish mash of tan colors. Lol

Any others that I should look at in this range?

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Post by srt-4_jon » 25 Aug 2012, 12:58

price range or magnification range?

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Post by blueorison » 25 Aug 2012, 16:01

Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?


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Post by Virginian » 25 Aug 2012, 17:48

The price range of this scope is around 1300 to 1400. Magnification is a jackpot question. I'm unsure of how accurate this rifle will be further out. Say... 400 - 500 yards. It seems to me that if you spend the coin on a higher power scope, it would be a waste based on the capabilities of the rifle. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking?

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Post by Virginian » 25 Aug 2012, 17:50

blueorison wrote:
Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?


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Well that was helpful. :)

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Post by flyingirish04 » 25 Aug 2012, 18:12

1300 is WAY overpriced for that scope. I can get a 6.5-20 Mk4 for that all day.

And that scope is way overpriced for a SCAR. You have a battle rifle. If you spend more than 500 bucks, you are wasting money. Unless you are putting on a 7.62 calibrated ACOG or Elcan Spectre. And you would only need that if you plan on being blown up.

Buy a vortex or millet or maybe Burris or Bushnell 2-10 (or the like) scope and call it good.
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Post by flyingirish04 » 25 Aug 2012, 18:12

Virginian wrote:The price range of this scope is around 1300 to 1400. Magnification is a jackpot question. I'm unsure of how accurate this rifle will be further out. Say... 400 - 500 yards. It seems to me that if you spend the coin on a higher power scope, it would be a waste based on the capabilities of the rifle. Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking?
No, you are right on.
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Post by blueorison » 26 Aug 2012, 00:41

Virginian wrote:
blueorison wrote:
Virginian wrote: Any others that I should look at in this range?


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Well that was helpful. :)
You didn't precede with criteria. I have a better idea, now. You have a lot of options for $1500 and under. You really don't need to spend that much, but if you want to, that is your prerogative :) The SCAR 17 will go easily to 1000 yards. It depends how far you want to shoot it.

I would not get over a 1-6x power optic; and personally I would get a 1-4x optic. The eye-relief will generally be better.

If you want a recommendation, you might look at Swarovski. Nightforce. U.S. Optics. I would pick all of these far above a Leupold. This is considering the design, etc. Not just glass clarity, but including thus.

Below the $800 range, which is completely fine for 1000 yard shooting, your options really open up, and many more players come into the arena. This is my opinion.

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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?

Post by Virginian » 26 Aug 2012, 05:39

Thank you very much for you insight. I should have provided more input here. My apologies.

My intended purpose will be for varmint hunting. Fox, coyote and groundhogs being the lions share of what I do. The 308 will be Thor's hammer on these critters and clearly it's overkill (pun not intended). I don't care about pelt damage and the 17s will be light and easy to get around in tight areas.

My average shot is out to maybe 400 yards max. The rolling hills and woods don't really present 1,000 yards shots. Illuminated reticle is kind of a must for low light conditions. I also wanted to try a FFP, as I have read many good things on them. So those are my wants, not necessarily my needs.

This rifle and scope combo will be my most expensive rig, ever. I'm selling off many safe queens to fund it. All my life I have used entry level rifles and scopes to keep the cost down. Vortex (not the PSTs), Konus, BSA, and I would like to own at least one really nice piece of glass, just once. I've had decent luck with Clearidge and Hawke. If you have trouble getting to sleep, here's a review I wrote up on a Hawke Tac 30.http://www.predatormastersforums.com/fo ... ost2267182

I'm turning 50 in two weeks and this rig is kind of a gift to myself. For the first time in my life I have to wear reading glasses as my eyes are deminishing. Sucks... Throwing a heck of a party in two weekends with a blue grass band and BBQ. Iff any of you are in the area, pm me & I'll throw you an invite. :)

In closing I really don't contribute much to this website because I have always felt that hunting was not the users goal here. I also didn't want to offend anyone as I posting up dead critters and reporting on the ballistic damage of any given bullet. Clearly though, the level of intelligence is vastly higher on this forum then say, ummm all the other forums I frequent. seriously, not blowing sunshine up your dress here.

True perspective from people such as yourselves, is really getting hard to find on the internet. For what I do really harbors the "get-r-dun" crowd or fanboys because the leaders of the pack use brand X. No disrespect intended here, just my observations.

Anywho, I hope the above supplied info helps.

Thanks for reading,

Eric

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 26 Aug 2012, 06:00

Hey - I just bought myself a 50th B-Day present too: a Leupold VX-3L 6.5-20x56mm to put on my LR308. There is absolutely no comparison between this scope and cheap glass - none.

I typically agree with Blue on many things, but magnification isn't one of them. He's a young buck and can still see (lol?). Personally I need the magnification so I know what direction to point the rifle in, anything outside of 50 yards is just a blurry mess at this point.

As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information. I plan to go on a hog hunt next Tuesday as long as Isaac leaves northeast Florida pretty much alone. Assuming we see some hogs, my intention is to put an S4M round fried from my FsN through Porky's alleged impenetrable armor. There will be videos & pics of the wound channel.
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Post by Esteves » 26 Aug 2012, 06:16

jgreenberg01 wrote:As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information.
Actually, an entire sub-forum.
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Re: Leupold LR/T 3.5-10x 40 FDE for a SCAR?

Post by srt-4_jon » 26 Aug 2012, 06:53

if you are using it for varmit hunting, you will want the magnification. look at the 6-24 viper pst, swfa ss 5-20, or the newer weaver tacticals. all are ffp and you can get all of them under $1000. ffp is such a great feature.
the only leupolds that are ffp are the er/t and they are much more money.

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Post by blueorison » 26 Aug 2012, 12:14

That clears up a lot; thank you for your thoughts on this forum. You expounded on one of the main reasons this is the only forum I frequent. If I were LE/MIL, I'm sure I'd be on lightfighter, or perhaps not.

If you're hitting varmint/critters to 400 yards, based on your feedback, I wouldn't hesitate to get a 12x/16x or even 20x. Even with poor eyes like mine - I have astigmatism - I can still use a 1-6x on a coyote form at 400, but not a groundhog. The down-sizes of your primary targets - critters - leads me to suggest a higher magnification.

Since you're making this a blessing to yourself, after sacrificing many safe queens as lambs (which, is a great approach, in my book!), and money is not the issue; I would recommend Nightforce scopes for the durability. If you're in the woods, you want an optic that can take the abuse. You're not shooting from a bench or a blind. You're maneuvering for a better angle, vector, and presentation. When doing so, the focus is on the target and stealth. Many times, the peripheral takes a backseat, and unplanned events can occur, like a bump to your glass. The higher end of Leupold, SWFA, Vortex, all have clear glass. I have not tried SWFA HD glass, but perhaps it isn't a reach to say that it matches very well with the expectations of the higher classes @ snipershide. FFP is my choice, also. Being that those two criterion are fulfilled, the next would be robustness in venture. And being that SWFA HD, Leupold, and Vortex might not be as robust as the battle-proven Nightforce, I would have to recommend Nightforce or U.S. Optics. Make sure your reference and measurement instruments all match up with your preferences for MIL/MOA dot/hashes and holds.

I have to disclaim that I am not a glass or optic expert. I only know what I know, and do not peruse other forums for information on scopes, etc. My feedback on snipershide comes from members there that I know. I also do not know if Leupold, SWFA, or Vortex are as proven to be as robust as Nightforce scopes. I have not "read" up on this. I simply am going off the clarity of the scopes I have used, personally, and the testimonials of my acquaintances that have used Nightforce, offshore and over seas.

I very much like the 17 for its lightweight and compact structure. :cya:
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Post by jgreenberg01 » 26 Aug 2012, 13:54

I'm no expert on glass either, but I did do a lot of research on scopes. I was originally going to go with NF for my .308 but decided that it was overkill for my gun, especially price-wise. Fortunately for me, my local gun shop carries NF, Leupold and many other brands... in stock. That allowed me to compare them side by side. The difference between high-end and mid-price scope clarity was surprising. The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.

As I said in my earlier post, I went with the Leupold, and I chose the Varmint Reticle for several reasons. If you are interested and can wait about a week, I will post a review of the Leupold scope. I have most of it done, I just have to record the 500 yard shooting results on video, but I can't do it this week because of the hurricane that has already started dumping on N. Florida.

I'm also going to go over a really cool app for your smart phone called Strelok that is a ballistic calculator. You can tell it exactly what scope/reticle you have (also type of bullet, atmospheric conditions, blah, blah, blah...) and it tells you exactly where to hold/adjust in mils, MOA, inches and windage/elevation clicks. It's really cool and very useful!

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Post by srt-4_jon » 26 Aug 2012, 20:11

jgreenberg01 wrote:The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
Most scopes will look great during the day. Take those same 2 scopes out around dusk, the difference is huge.

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Post by Virginian » 27 Aug 2012, 05:27

jgreenberg01 - I look forward towards your review. I have plenty of time before I order the glass. Just buying the 17s is a croaker as it is. lol I'm going to go with a LaRue QD for the scope mount. Then dies , bullets, brass and powder for reloading this caliber. My wife, I call the minister of finance, will be having a few chats with me in the near future I think. :)

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Post by Virginian » 27 Aug 2012, 05:32

blueorison - If I got with a NF, which reticle would you suggest? Also, what are my options to color the scope tan without voiding the warranty? I suppose some tan tape might be a viable option.

If I've read correctly on the 17s, that it's tough to get MOA out of the box. Now the reviews that I've read are all using factory ammo. I suspect that I can tighten that up quite a bit finding a load it likes. I'm hopeful for 1" at 200 yards. We shall see and I'll be sure to post a new thread with my success and failures.

I checked with Charles at A&A Arsenal and the long barrel is not available to the public at this time. If it was, I would jump at it. So the short barrel heavy is on my radar now.

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Post by Virginian » 27 Aug 2012, 05:33

srt-4_jon wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
Most scopes will look great during the day. Take those same 2 scopes out around dusk, the difference is huge.

I have to agree with this statement.

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Post by Virginian » 27 Aug 2012, 05:38

Esteves wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:As far as hunting goes, there is a thread for that here, and some will appreciate videos/information.
Actually, an entire sub-forum.
Esteves,

I understand there's a specified hunting/fishing section in this forum but it's tough 'for me' to put that much energy into a review with pictures and decent narrative only to fall on deaf ears. Point being, not many people use that forum here. So the juice isn't worth the squeeze so to speak... If you think I would be contributing, I will rethink this issue.

Thanks for your kind input!

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 27 Aug 2012, 06:07

Virginian wrote:
srt-4_jon wrote:
jgreenberg01 wrote:The difference between NF and Leupold at 2/3 the price of of NF, I thought, was not worth the difference.
Most scopes will look great during the day. Take those same 2 scopes out around dusk, the difference is huge.

I have to agree with this statement.
While I can't say that I have compared the NF to the Leupold directly at dusk, I did in full daylight as well as very overcast, about-to-storm skies. Even in the relatively dark, overcast conditions both seemed to gather the same light at 300 yards, which was as far as I could test them at while at the gun shop.

The Leupold VX-3L also has a 56mm objective lens so it does a pretty darn good job at low-light. Additionally it can be mounted lower to the barrel because of its unique objective contour which was a consideration as well.

Here is what I mean:

http://www.leupold.com/hunting-shooting ... us-target/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In the end though, the $$$ outlay was really the determining factor.
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