SCAR vs HK 556a

Discuss the FN lineup of tactical rifles; the FS2000, SCAR, and the venerable FAL.
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by panzermk2 » 04 Dec 2011, 00:23

All bullpups suffer from bad triggers. Learn to shoot with them then. Simple like using mop handles when I hustled pool instead of cue sticks. The stick no matter what it's construction is still a stick. It's all about how you hit the ball.

Besides if it's that bad I have a professional Russian who can fix it.
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by blueorison » 04 Dec 2011, 01:01

Wait.. so you're saying.... the emphasis should be on the shooter, not the gear?

WHAT RUBBISH IS THIS.

Sounds really familiar, like I've heard it from somewhere... can't place my finger on it... :lmao: :lmao:
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by panzermk2 » 04 Dec 2011, 01:21

blueorison wrote:Wait.. so you're saying.... the emphasis should be on the shooter, not the gear?

WHAT RUBBISH IS THIS.

Sounds really familiar, like I've heard it from somewhere... can't place my finger on it... :lmao: :lmao:

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 04 Dec 2011, 12:18

If its the shooter, which I agree, then save your money and buy a AR-10 :p
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by SHEEPDOG » 04 Dec 2011, 18:57

panzermk2 wrote:
blueorison wrote:Wish someone besides Keltec and FN would make a compact, plastic .308 that I could use.

Instead of saturating the fanboy market with more useless ARs.

An FS2000 in .308 is what your asking for then isn't it?

I prefer the FS2000 over the SCARE light. The compact package is just to appealing to me.
:agree: With both of you. I put a Neu-Trigger on my FS2000, it made a big difference in it.

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by blueorison » 04 Dec 2011, 19:19

Sweet! I tried the Neu-trigger on an MSAR and it made a big difference.

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by FNtacticalNUT » 05 Dec 2011, 19:12

IRISH
Come on man.
It seems as if you are a salesman for HK or for Colt. This is a proven platform that has been adopted by our military for years. Also been adopted by other countries across the world for that fact. No platform is perfect and has never been. No AR is really worth the asking price if you want to really argue that fact. But for you to bang the SCAR over hear say is crazy. You will find good and bad in any platform.
But you can never fight the fact that they are being issued these guns today. I have a few friends that are responsible for these military contracts and the word is that they are trying to bring down the cost of the platforms. Thats why the military will likely go to a modified M4 platform.
But I live around a ton of SOCOM's and they live and die with the SCAR platform.
I printed your post and showed it to them and as normal they just laugh out loud. You can not believe everything you read and even if it is from the GOVERNMENT. Come on you know that.
Everyone has their opinion and are entitled to them. But the fact is that I am looking at a GOVT issue SCAR right now along with a GOVT issue manual. So what testing did it not pass to be approved by the SOCOM division. Let's not forget that the USMC's are not the only elite forces in our military. No one division is bigger than the next. So in reality your opinions are just that. YOUR OPINIONS.
Most people issued these rifles would give up their life before they would the SCAR.
Notice I said most but not all. As everyone is entitled their opinion but that doesnt make it right.
And for the record both HK and Knight Armament have been removed from the new platform bidding. The military will be making a modified version of the M4 but it is based off of $$$$$$$$$ and not performance issues.

When the SCAR has been zeroed in correctly by it's SPEC I have never not shot SUB MOA EVER!!!!!!
Under any conditions. !!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!

The SCAR is still top dog for the SOCOM divisions as that is what they were designed for and by. And those that rely on it with their lives would have none other. :p :p

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 05 Dec 2011, 19:24

"I have never shot sub MOA ever."

That might be the only truthful statement in that whole post above. Man, I don't know what to tell you, but read a bit more before you post. I can't even begin to point out the amount of error in your post. If you are trolling for a heated argument, I don't have any desire to pursue one. Mostly because you aren't concerned with fact, but also because I have nothing against the SCAR except for its price. My issue. :facepalm:

And for the record, I don't work in the firearms industry. I am ex-military, and now market crude-based refined products.

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by fooschnickens » 05 Dec 2011, 19:27

I'd post a picture right now but fuzzy got mad at me the last time I used it.

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 05 Dec 2011, 19:27

fooschnickens wrote:I'd post a picture right now but fuzzy got mad at me the last time I used it.
pm it to me.
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 05 Dec 2011, 19:31

I will say this, his screen name seems to be uber accurate.
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by FNtacticalNUT » 05 Dec 2011, 20:10

I do not wish for any heated argument. But I respectfully disagree.
I am not perfect never claimed to be
But I am also looking at your posts as well and felt a need to give a different opinion.
But I do see your smart comments to fooshchnickens.
Shows you can not respect others point of views.
You and your smart comments are not worth my time and efforts.
And my comment about shooting SUB MOA's are facts when the SCAR is zeroed in to SPEC's
Or do you even know how to?
Just a question.
And I am pushing out point's from over 10+ friends that use them everyday with their lives on the line.
If you know so much then educate me even more as I am willing to learn.
But I will leave the rest of this post to you
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 05 Dec 2011, 20:31

Listen, I welcome you to the forum. But I think you will benefit in knowing that there a ton of guys that have actually been around and know when someone is fronting or posing.

I don't need to know it all to know that shooting sub MOA is a good thing, not a bad thing like you originally posted. Also don't need to be a KIA (not killed in action :D ) to know that MOA shift and greater than consistent 1 inch groups at 100 yards is something that FN admits too w/ the SCAR. Nor do I need to know everything to know that there is no such thing as 'SOCOMs' or 'SOCOM divisions' or that I am fairly certain given those mistakes that you are lying when you say you have ten friends that are using them with 'their lives on the line'. Also, 'zeroed in to specs' means next to nothing.

My guess is that you own a SCAR and took offense to me 'dressing it down' (real military slang by the way). Let me stifle your petulance for my alternative view on the weapon you so love by saying that I own many weapons less capable than the SCAR. There, not so bad now is it. :thumb:
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by f3rr37 » 05 Dec 2011, 20:41

Guys cool it, or warnings will be issued to all.

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 05 Dec 2011, 21:00

FNTacticalNUT,

Let's take Fuzzy's advice on this subject. Welcome to the forum. It is always good to have a new guy that loves shooting on here. We all post things at times we wish we could take back. I hope you find this forum as full of knowledge and info as I have. It really is the better of the two FN related forums. :thumb:
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by FNtacticalNUT » 05 Dec 2011, 21:03

You seem to know everything.
You know that there are no UNITED STATES SPECIAL OPERATIONS COMMAND. I guess I made that up to. Oh I guess I do not live in a subdivision here in Good OLE Virginia with mostly NAVY SEALS SPECS OP'S. Or that my family member writes GOVT contracts for the military.
OH I forgot you are MR. Know it all.
When you go to the range every weekend with my pal's you tend to learn a thing or two. I have owned my SCAR for 3 years now and am very consistent with my MOA.
If you need to see how it is done come pay us a visit as we would enjoy showing you how it is done on the range here in VA. We are always looking for some competition.

But you then call me a liar.
I do not claim to be military nor have I claimed to know it all or nor do I claim someone else a liar.
You have shown your true colors to me.
I was just disagreeing with your personal opinion but given your smart mouth attitude I do not respect that now.
I Have more than one SCAR and have MORE than one rifle and pistol. And have been around a family of military and great shooters' my entire life. I have been shooting since I was 5 years old.
Just because I am NOOB here does not mean I have no knowledge of what I am talking about. But again you take it personal when someone else disagrees with you.
You are a MR.KNOW it all.
FACE the FACT's

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by flyingirish04 » 05 Dec 2011, 21:06

Ok. And again, welcome to the forum.
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by FNtacticalNUT » 05 Dec 2011, 21:07

I am done any way . I have enjoyed your forum but when someone has a difference of opinion and the other calls some one a liar. Then it has gone to far. I just wanted to state my side of what I have seen out there. I mean no harm and was clearly just stating an opinion.
Sorry if I have offended anyone.
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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by FNtacticalNUT » 05 Dec 2011, 21:09

No harm done.
Everything here is fine.
Sorry for ruffling of the feather's

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Re: SCAR vs HK 556a

Post by FNtacticalNUT » 05 Dec 2011, 21:17

On May 4, 2010, a press release on FNH USA's official website announced the SCAR Acquisition Decision Memorandum was finalized on April 14, 2010. This is an approval for the entire weapons family of the Mk16 SCAR Light, Mk17 SCAR Heavy and the Enhanced Grenade Launcher Module.[20]

In late October 2010 SOCOM approved full-rate production of the Mk 20 sniper variant of the SCAR, with fielding expected to begin in mid-May 2011.[11]

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