Shame On Fox

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 09 Feb 2010, 06:43

Today, the Fox TV station in Houston presents a story about a heroic officer gunned down and now in ICU. They caught the perps, who looked at camera laughing saying "sorry mama". When one clicks, however on the headline, before showing the news story, the viewer has to watch a 10 second bailbondsman commercial, complete with rap music using the phrase "mutha fucka'. My esteem for Fox just went way down.

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 09 Feb 2010, 06:56

They have been sliding. I excpected them to raise the bar a bit, but they've also recently misrepresented crowd sizes by 'accidently' splicing in old footage....it is a shame.

gw45acp · Post by **gw45acp** » 09 Feb 2010, 07:18

Fox should be just as heavily scrutinized as any other MSM outlet. I prefer to watch FOX News over most other news networks, even though they have the "BREAKING NEWS" banner running 24/7 which seems to mean the same thing as "ON AIR."

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 09 Feb 2010, 09:06

fatherfoof wrote: My esteem for Fox just went way down.

I lost my esteem for Fox "news" a long time ago.

ynoty3k · Post by **ynoty3k** » 09 Feb 2010, 09:16

fatherfoof wrote:Today, the Fox TV station in Houston presents a story about a heroic officer gunned down and now in ICU. They caught the perps, who looked at camera laughing saying "sorry mama". When one clicks, however on the headline, before showing the news story, the viewer has to watch a 10 second bailbondsman commercial, complete with rap music using the phrase "mutha fucka'. My esteem for Fox just went way down.

those would be controlled by the fox affiliate and not by corporate. Especially a bailbondsman, that's a highly localized service.

freelienr · Post by **freelienr** » 09 Feb 2010, 09:34

eh, i've lost alot respect for any media these days. I agree Fox is the one i would watch and trust them more than any other source, but every major media source is tampered with by political, corporate and other powers

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 09 Feb 2010, 10:44

High-Gear wrote:
fatherfoof wrote: My esteem for Fox just went way down.

I lost my esteem for Fox "news" a long time ago.

So what would you prefer.

Post by **MrSlippyFist** » 09 Feb 2010, 10:47

I like to compare all of the major outlets of disinformation and make my own flawed views.

Post by **jmz5** » 09 Feb 2010, 11:10

I have been getting my news from Reddit.com for a while.

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 09 Feb 2010, 11:28

MrSlippyFist wrote:I like to compare all of the major outlets of disinformation and make my own flawed views.

:agree:

I listen to BBC news reports in addition to several US news agencies. Fox, along with all of the cable news stations have a political bent, and slant their reporting. "No Spin Zone" is bs and I think we can all agree on that. Just because they are telling you what you want to hear does not make it factual.

Fox News is the mouthpiece for the Evangelical Uber Right in America. As long as you realize that going into it, no problem. Just don't think you are going to get fair unbalanced reporting. Take what they say and evaluate it against other sources of information. Generally the truth lies somewhere in-between where the left and right wing spinsters would like you the think it is.

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 09 Feb 2010, 11:39

If you think that Fox news is the mouth piece for the uber right you may want to re-evaluate your right/left scale. Fox is a hell of a lot closer to center than any other news networks, and to much surprise of you libs Bill's no spin zone is fairly accurate, he disagrees with the more right leaning people on fox all the time.

The fundamental problem is that "fair and balanced" isn't possible anymore because people redefined what fair and balanced means.

Post by **panzermk2** » 09 Feb 2010, 11:44

High-Gear wrote:Fox News is the mouthpiece for the Evangelical Uber Right in America.

What FOX show are you talking about? Just wondering the one that is "uber right"

Is it Beck who just last night talked about how Bush doubled the deficit spending over Clinton?

You wouldn't know "uber right" if if it bit you in the ass. FYI the "uber" German reference belongs to the Socialists Hitler was one of your lefty buddies.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 09 Feb 2010, 11:55

Leftists don't usually realize that Hitler was a Socialist.
Isn't High-Gear a self-proclaimed lefty? Or was that someone else? I know we got one on here. I got another buddy on another forum (his nick there is ...hehehe, get this, throbbing-gristle) who is a self-proclaimed gun loving lefty who loves to call conservatives nazis all the time. Even though I've pointed out to him the 'real' history, he refuses to believe it.
>sigh<
Oh, well. Ciest' la vie.

gw45acp · Post by **gw45acp** » 09 Feb 2010, 12:23

We can all agree that the "No Spin Zone" is an opinion show as the host of "The Factor" often reminds his critics. Calling it BS is your opinion, to which you are certainly entitled.

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 09 Feb 2010, 12:30

throbbing-gristle

Great band. Before Genesis P-Orridge started Temple of the Psychic Youth....then got all gender confused....

BBC is a toilet.

Post by **MrSlippyFist** » 09 Feb 2010, 12:36

High-Gear wrote:
MrSlippyFist wrote:I like to compare all of the major outlets of disinformation and make my own flawed views.
:agree:

I listen to BBC news reports in addition to several US news agencies. Fox, along with all of the cable news stations have a political bent, and slant their reporting. "No Spin Zone" is bs and I think we can all agree on that. Just because they are telling you what you want to hear does not make it factual.

Fox News is the mouthpiece for the Evangelical Uber Right in America. As long as you realize that going into it, no problem. Just don't think you are going to get fair unbalanced reporting. Take what they say and evaluate it against other sources of information. Generally the truth lies somewhere in-between where the left and right wing spinsters would like you the think it is.

I was being sarcastic. I haven't believed a damn thing my TV has said since Bert and Ernie were fighting over a pillow in 1981. Far right, far left, it's all a pack of lies designed to keep the American people in line and buying coca-cola.

Post by **MrSlippyFist** » 09 Feb 2010, 12:37

Llagoud wrote:BBC is a ~~toilet~~ lou.

FTFY!

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 09 Feb 2010, 15:07

panzermk2 wrote:
High-Gear wrote:
MrSlippyFist wrote:I
Fox News is the mouthpiece for the Evangelical Uber Right in America.
You wouldn't know "uber right" if if it bit you in the ass. FYI the "uber" German reference belongs to the Socialists Hitler was one of your lefty buddies.

First can I ask why we are getting so defensive over a television station? You kinda came across like I kicked your dog or something. I think you took my Uber reference as an insult, like I was calling the right Nazis. I also didn't use the term "Uber" to equate the right with Nazi's, it is just common venacular to mean "the ultra", or "the far", or "very" prior to what ever it is you are trying to describe.

BTW, the Nazis were not leftist socialists. Just because they called themselves The National Socialist Party, does not mean that they were true socialists.

From Wiki:
Nazism, known officially in German as National Socialism[1][2][3][4] (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the totalitarian ideology and practices of the Nazi Party or National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler, and the policies adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945.[5][6][7][8]

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left-wing and right-wing ideology, Nazism is considered to be a form of far right politics.[9] The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist Program in 1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,[10][11] eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.[11][12][13]

Now back to the point. Is there a news station more to the right of Fox News? I do not know of one. Most of their shows are opinion based which is often to the right side of the spectrum. That is all that I am saying.

romer522 · Post by **romer522** » 09 Feb 2010, 15:36

gw45acp wrote:We can all agree that the "No Spin Zone" is an opinion show as the host of "The Factor" often reminds his critics. Calling it BS is your opinion, to which you are certainly entitled.

He's probably never even watched it, just repeating what all his silly liberal friends tell him over and over.

Bills actually shifted a bit left in the last couple years, it could be argued that he is now middle America, not that being in the middle is bad.

Post by **panzermk2wife** » 09 Feb 2010, 15:51

Beck is the only one I watch.

Post by **panzermk2** » 09 Feb 2010, 16:03

High-Gear wrote: Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism,eugenics, antisemitism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism.

AH sorry the only people who consider Hitler right wing are the ones wearing the Che GuevaraT-shirts.
So they don't have to take responsibility one of their guys going off the deep end even more then Che.

Every thing you state above is pure liberal progressive beliefs. Also Hitler was not anti-communism, he was just anti Joe Stalin's communism and sharing a boarder with him knowing that Joe was a nasty blood thirsty murdering bastard just like himself. Get it right not from wikki. The Gestapo was Hitler coping Joe's NKVD. Anti economic liberalism and political liberalism meaning anti free market and anit democracy. The hallmarks of the liberals.

High-Gear wrote: Now back to the point. Is there a news station more to the right of Fox News? I do not know of one. Most of their shows are opinion based which is often to the right side of the spectrum. That is all that I am saying.

Also if Fox is so right wing them what about there coverage of Murtha. NOT one word about the soldiers who he condemned as murders, helped with his political power to ramrod them into military prison, did everything he could to keep witnesses that did not fit his claim form testifying and prop up the one insurgent witness. Of course all of the soldiers were found innocent.

Not one word of all the payoffs and defense contractor payoffs that came to light last year.

Not one mention of this.

Currently FOX is very middle of the road. It's just that the others are so fare to the left FOX seems like it is right leaning. If JFK was running for the presidency today oblermann (misspelling intentional) would be slamming him as a rightwing nut with all of his ideas about cutting taxes to stimulate the economy. Never mind that it worked when he and Reagan did it. If you really listen to the big O you would find out he is very centrist. Beck hates all the scum in both parties.

You want some right wing hardcore? I mean the real thing? Try listening to Michael Savage sometime.

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 09 Feb 2010, 16:10

romer522 wrote:
gw45acp wrote:We can all agree that the "No Spin Zone" is an opinion show as the host of "The Factor" often reminds his critics. Calling it BS is your opinion, to which you are certainly entitled.

He's probably never even watched it, just repeating what all his silly liberal friends tell him over and over.

Bills actually shifted a bit left in the last couple years, it could be argued that he is now middle America, not that being in the middle is bad.

Actually I said that claiming it is "No spin" is bs.

I actually watched Beck about an hour ago while working out. They spoke about progressive govenors of cali, and how the progressives were trying to subvert the consititution. One point I liked is when Beck said that this is not a right / left or Dem / Republican issue. I agree with that. It is a battle of ideas.

For the record I think I said I was Liberal, not Left nor Progressive. Those are labels you guys have applied to me.

I agree with smaller government, and personal liberty. However I find it hard to back the Republican party due to some very conflicting views on social issues.

Post by **panzermk2** » 09 Feb 2010, 16:28

This discussion made me think of this episode of Klavan

Post by **f3rr37** » 09 Feb 2010, 17:05

High-Gear wrote: For the record I think I said I was Liberal, not Left nor Progressive. Those are labels you guys have applied to me.

Bullshit. These are your own words:

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I'm a gun loving liberal-progressive btw, there's more of us than you think.

PainKillaX · Post by **PainKillaX** » 09 Feb 2010, 18:11

You could watch Al Jazeera, they've got an objective outsiders perspective of America, right?... :monkey:

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 09 Feb 2010, 18:31

f3rr37 wrote:
High-Gear wrote: For the record I think I said I was Liberal, not Left nor Progressive. Those are labels you guys have applied to me.
Bullshit. These are your own words:

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I'm a gun loving liberal-progressive btw, there's more of us than you think.

I stand corrected!

Thank You Sir.

Post by **f3rr37** » 09 Feb 2010, 18:57

High-Gear wrote: I stand corrected!

Thank You Sir.

So where do your real political beliefs stand then?

FSNTAC · Post by **FSNTAC** » 09 Feb 2010, 20:17

:drool:

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 10 Feb 2010, 02:17

f3rr37 wrote:
High-Gear wrote: I stand corrected!

Thank You Sir.
So where do your real political beliefs stand then?

When I say progressive, I was referring to socially progressive. I support stem cell research, am pro-choice (while I personally would not choose to have an abortion...well...er...being a guy that would be...well you know what I mean :laugh: ) Support equal rights for everyone, including homosexuals. I think it is a person's choice when to die, and should be able to die with dignity.

As far as government goes, I tend to go for smaller government in most areas. I believe there should be governmental limits imposed on commerce much like the anti-trust regulations. I am for responsible spending in government, and would support legislation to limit PAC's interaction with lawmakers. I would repeal the pension for our lawmakers (they should continue to work for a living, public office should be about service, not a career). I support term limits on all law makers in DC, and would support the same on SCOTUS judges. I am not in favor of the welfare state, and support time limits for assistance. I do however support programs to help teach those who want to make a better life.

I support the constitution, and believe a person's CCW IS THE 2nd Amendment! I also am against the unnecessary entanglement of religion and government, and think acknowledging a deity in the pledge and on our currency violates the 1st amendments establishment clause.

I am for stricter punishments for person and sex crimes. I am not for the death penalty as the punishment lets them off too easy (I think those convicts should make little rocks out of big rocks, 18 hours a day, while eating bologna and saw dust bread for the rest of their miserable lives). I am for the decriminalization of marijuana (go after the dealers, smugglers, not the users - make small ammounts an infraction that can be paid via citation).

I am for a strong military to be used to crush evil regeims, and liberate oppressed people, not for police missions. I think we should start a push at the Canadian border and drive the illegals back south, then fortify the border. I don't have a problem with torture, if a target is valuable enough to accept collateral damage, it is valuable enough to torture for it. However that being said, it should be reserved, and used sparingly.

What have I left out? i'm tired, if I left something out just ask.

So where does that put me on the political spectrum?

toyslr · Post by **toyslr** » 10 Feb 2010, 03:35

The news media all BLOW MONKEY BALLS! :suicide:

Post by **jmz5** » 10 Feb 2010, 04:55

For the record, I really don't care for Glen Beck, it's not his messages, I just can't watch his show and get into it.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 10 Feb 2010, 07:23

With the exception of abortion and stem cell research, you don't really sound all that 'liberal' to me.
As for me, personally, I'm against abortion as a form of birth control as a lot of lower income minorities who can get it free tend to use it. I don't find it so morally wrong in cases of rape or incest and find it necessary to save the life of the mother.
I think there should be TONS of stem cell research. I just don't think they should use an aborted fetus to do it. There is cord blood, placentas and even adult stem cells that can be used. Hell, think of the money that could be 'made'...and used to offset the cost of childbirth by SELLING the extra cord blood to use for stem cell research! There ARE other ways. They just don't want to use them and then point the finger at the FedGov and say, you are evil for not funding us! Well, phooey.
Not EVERY fricking problem out there requires federal funding. But that's my personal opinion.
I think government spending has gotten out of control.
Oh, yeah. Homos. They SHOULD have equal rights. But not 'special' rights. Equal means, they aren't any more or less than anybody else. They won't be turned away at a restaurant for being a pole smoker, but they aren't gonna be treated special. Same goes for minorities. Everybody is EQUAL now. No extra points just because your skin is darker than someone elses.
I disagree on the religion thing, but that's just me. I got a soft spot for those who put God above everything else. But I respect your right not to. I still say that this country was built by Christians with Christians ideals and that it is reflected in the Bill of Rights. You don't have to recognize it if you don't want to.
Over all, I think you are a lot closer to conservative than you might want to admit.
Pro 2A, fiscally conservative, smaller government, personal responsibility...those are some pretty big things. The rest isn't too far off the mark.

Post by **panzermk2** » 10 Feb 2010, 07:30

High-Gear wrote:
f3rr37 wrote:
High-Gear wrote: I stand corrected!

Thank You Sir.
So where do your real political beliefs stand then?

When I say progressive, I was referring to socially progressive. I support stem cell research, am pro-choice (while I personally would not choose to have an abortion...well...er...being a guy that would be...well you know what I mean :laugh: ) Support equal rights for everyone, including homosexuals. I think it is a person's choice when to die, and should be able to die with dignity.

As far as government goes, I tend to go for smaller government in most areas. I believe there should be governmental limits imposed on commerce much like the anti-trust regulations. I am for responsible spending in government, and would support legislation to limit PAC's interaction with lawmakers. I would repeal the pension for our lawmakers (they should continue to work for a living, public office should be about service, not a career). I support term limits on all law makers in DC, and would support the same on SCOTUS judges. I am not in favor of the welfare state, and support time limits for assistance. I do however support programs to help teach those who want to make a better life.

I support the constitution, and believe a person's CCW IS THE 2nd Amendment! I also am against the unnecessary entanglement of religion and government, and think acknowledging a deity in the pledge and on our currency violates the 1st amendments establishment clause.

I am for stricter punishments for person and sex crimes. I am not for the death penalty as the punishment lets them off too easy (I think those convicts should make little rocks out of big rocks, 18 hours a day, while eating bologna and saw dust bread for the rest of their miserable lives). I am for the decriminalization of marijuana (go after the dealers, smugglers, not the users - make small ammounts an infraction that can be paid via citation).

I am for a strong military to be used to crush evil regeims, and liberate oppressed people, not for police missions. I think we should start a push at the Canadian border and drive the illegals back south, then fortify the border. I don't have a problem with torture, if a target is valuable enough to accept collateral damage, it is valuable enough to torture for it. However that being said, it should be reserved, and used sparingly.

What have I left out? i'm tired, if I left something out just ask.

So where does that put me on the political spectrum?

If those are your honest beliefs? Libertarian Party all the way, which by the way is made up of allot of conservative Republicans sick of all the BS with the republican party pissing money away, lying, cheating, crooked, on the take, screwing your daughter/son who is a congressional page, scum bags just like the Dems.

fatherfoof · Post by **fatherfoof** » 10 Feb 2010, 07:43

Fly, I nominated you for KONA because as usual, you're the voice of reason. Only point I'd argue is the queers... Anyway, back to the original post- the cop's going to make it, the perps have long rap sheets and the detectives said they have no remorse- just a smug pride in shooting a cop.

Kerberos · Post by **Kerberos** » 10 Feb 2010, 07:53

Look into a 7-day free trial at STRATFOR. I think they give a fairly unbiased report of the facts.

gw45acp · Post by **gw45acp** » 10 Feb 2010, 08:01

Wow H-G. You do sound much more Libertarian than Liberal-Progressive. I know you mentioned your support of health care reform, but change that to a free-market solution and you can be the libertarian legislative chair in your precinct!

Fly, I agree with FF. Fly for PRES..or KONA...Leader of the free world...or whatever title.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 10 Feb 2010, 08:18

I know Padre, but the only reason I can't very well stand up and say 'fry em' is because, what they do behind closed doors is truly THEIR business. If they try to bring it into the classrooms like the do in the People's Republik of Kaliforniastan, then I got a problem. It is NOT normal. It is an abomination before Him, but again, that is my RELIGIOUS belief. It comes down to personal freedom and this is still a free country. If they want to be fudge packing, pole smoking fashion queens, that is their business. Just don't do it in public and keep it to themselves. Don't try to push it on other people and we're okay.
Don't try to shove it down other people's throats and I won't have to put a bullet in em.
Saying all homos are kiddie diddlers isn't right either, because they aren't. I know quite a few homos. Some are butch, some are limp wristers. None of them are kiddie wranglers. They're actually some of the nicest people I know. Hell, Chris is one of the best cooks I know. I swap recipes with him (I used to be his Sunday school teacher and his dad is the deacon of our church). He lives in Dallas now and he's a good kid, he's just...queer. I have no problem with him. I wish he hadn't turned out the way he did, but hey...its his choice. Maybe someday he'll straighen up and fly right. Maybe not. I dunno. Hate the sin, love the sinner, right?
Either way, that judgement is left to God, not me. But as for equal treatment, thats fine. But not special treatment. If he wants to get married, let him. He can pick out a nice girl and marry her any time he wants to.

Post by **f3rr37** » 10 Feb 2010, 14:10

Yep, I was going to say you were a Libertarian, not a Progressive according to your description of your beliefs above... but the other beat me to it.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 10 Feb 2010, 14:46

I dunno what I am.
I'm ME!
I'm an opinionated old fart who likes things the way they should be. MY way. LOL!! :lmao:
Everybody's entitled to their opinions. No matter how wrong it might be.
I just don't think its smart to steal from one person and give it to another.
I understand taking care of those who CAN'T take care of themselves and I'm all for that. Disabled veterans, those who are born messed up, those who end up that way through a criminal act or ...whatever. But those who just decide to sit at home and pump out crack babies? Nah. Those who decide that it's easier to collect food stamps and welfare and sell a bit of dope on the street corner to finance that Cadillac Excalade and 60" wide screen? Nope.
Wanna join a gang? I got one for ya. It's called the Boy Scouts. Wanna join a group a little tougher than that? Okay. I can accomodate ya. They're called jailbirds. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Everybody in prison is SOMEBODY'S bitch. Live it, learn it, love it.
Life is tough. It's even tougher when you're stupid. Stay in school and make something of yourself or you WILL pay the consequences and for the love of Pete...take reponsibility for your goddamned actions. Man up.
Fly out.

toyslr · Post by **toyslr** » 10 Feb 2010, 15:15

Biggest problem with Beck is that he runs a topic in the ground...and droons on about it.
I understand Obama is a SOCIALIST DOUCHE Glen, I get IT! :thumb:
As for Washington, Party politics have screwed us. It'll be a cold day in hell, that a Dem stands
up and says a Rep. has a good idea or vice versa. As long as they worry about their parties rather
than right or wrong or whats good for the "people", WE ARE F**K'd.

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 12 Feb 2010, 19:19

The hell.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie202.htm

February 12, 2010
NewsWithViews.com

Most folks have believed that Fox TV and their many conservative shows is the last bastion of conservative safety left on TV. You have your Sean Hannity, Bill’ Reilly, Greta Van Susteren asking the hard legal questions and more. But with all the conservative, multi millionaire and popular conservative voices, did you also know that the second largest owner of Fox, parent corporation Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp is Prince Ahwaleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia.

Prince Ahwaleed has been buying his anti Semitic and Muslim way right into American life. Let us review just how generous he is a moment. He purchased a 5.6% stake in News Corp. in 2005, second from the top now. He manipulated Islamic study departments into place by giving $20 million each to Georgetown and Harvard Universities.

Ahwaleed is a man who gave $500,000 to CAIR, Council on American Islamic Relations, and then there is the mother load of $27 million in 2002 to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Naturally, he called them ‘martyrs.’

The prince is also rather close to James, Murdoch’s son who is known for his anti-Israel views and left wing radical environmental and global warming nonsense.

He is not a man of mystery in anyway. Before he jumped in bed with Murdoch and his son James, he revealed his true heart on Arab News. Just some of the things he said were: “Arabs should focus more on penetrating U.S. public opinion as a means to influencing decision making” rather than boycotting U.S. products…….Arab news stated “Arab countries can influence U.S. decision making if they unite through economic interest, not political…..We have to be logical and understand that the U.S. administration is subject to U.S. public opinion.”

What ever happened to the tough guys on Fox taking on Islamic radicals?

Back in 2001, you may recall Bill O’Reilly interviewing al-Arian. He was so in his face back then that al-Arian practically implicated himself, many giving O’Reilly the credit for getting him arrested for ties to Islamic terrorists. Bravo to O’Reilly back then. What ever happened to the tough guy who dug for the truth? How come he has seemed to be in bed with Obama from the very beginning instead of exposing the sea of Islamic kiss up, public betrayal and neo-Marxism? It is as if someone has neutered him.

Diana West, writer for the http://www.washintonexaminer.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; reminded us all that Prince Ahwaleed was the guy who, right after 9/11 offered then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani $10 million with the notice that the attacks were in response to U.S. foreign policy. Basically, we were to believe that we brought on the attacks but we Ahwaleed was offering us money to soften the blow. How could we forget our proud moment as Americans when Rudy through it back in his face.

Back then, Fox hosts were hard on Ahwaleed as well. Hannity & Colmes commented that this was a bad guy and so did other hosts. Now Ahwaleed, Mr. ‘try to buy us off’ back in 2001, is now the second largest owner of the company that owns FOX. Isn’t that precious?

No one can truly say just how this Muslim control influences Fox, yet Alwaleed bragged if you recall, saying he had called Fox to make sure their coverage of the Muslim riots in France weren’t described as ‘Muslim’ riots in France. I remember that! Fox never has denied this by the way. By the way, THEY DID TALK ABOUT THOSE RIOTS IN MUTED WAYS BUT YES, THE RIOTS WERE NOTHING BUT MUSLIM RIOTS!

I am all for capitalism and fair commerce, but does it really protect our freedom of speech and the truth in media, especially in a time of war with Muslim radicals, when our most conservative network FOX is largely controlled by a rich Muslim who wants control? Are they completely on drugs or is it us who is on drugs for slowly allowing ourselves to boil in water while the temperature keeps getting higher.

RedDog57 · Post by **RedDog57** » 13 Feb 2010, 16:01

Cyberfly wrote:I dunno what I am.
I'm ME!
I'm an opinionated old fart who likes things the way they should be. MY way. LOL!! :lmao:

I agree, KONA! that's me all over. :thumb:

EARS · Post by **EARS** » 13 Feb 2010, 16:59

Fly I couldn't agree more. That why sometimes I just need to leave the computer keyboard alone and bite my tounge.

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 19 Feb 2010, 05:52

Shame on O'Reilly.

I didn't like him much before.
I like him less now.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/20 ... ies-video/

Bill O’Reilly interviewed Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the Oathkeepers, tonight. During their discussion O’Reilly supported gun confiscation during hurricanes. He told the Oathkeeper that his views on the Second Amendment were “extreme.” Bill O’Reilly stated clearly that any mayor – such as in New Orleans after Katrina – had a perfect right to confiscate guns because they had to maintain “control.”

gw45acp · Post by **gw45acp** » 19 Feb 2010, 06:33

O'Reilly has always been a moderate. He supports gun-control and doesn't believe in the "slippery slope" theory which we see happening every time a new law restricting freedom is passed. No one should be surprised and the Oather dude did a lousy job of defending his position.

Post by **Cyberfly** » 19 Feb 2010, 07:50

O'Relliy doesn't understand the concept. The 2A is the Right the ensures (or INSURES) our other rights.
You can't force an armed citizen to do anything they don't want to do. An unarmed person is a subject and IS subject to the whims of the ruling class.

tdevince · Post by **tdevince** » 19 Feb 2010, 08:17

I wonder if O'Reilly would be on board with all news and reporting goes through the government during states of emergency so that proper censorship could be put in place to prevent inciting more violence. After all, during the LA Watts Riots, when people saw other looting they ran out to get their own free TV's, etc.

The 2A talks about a Militia, well a militia is only required during states of emergency. It's civilians coming together in states of emergency, not the police, not the National Guard, not the military - CIVILIANS with their personal ARMS!!!

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 19 Feb 2010, 11:05

In responce to the Oathkeepers video:

Oreilly calls it an extreme position to say "a state of emergency" does not justify the suspension of the 2a rights.

When do we need our firearms if not during a state of emergency? We don't need them during a state of peace and tranquility. When rioters and looters, murders and rapists are afoot with limited or no police presence that is exactly when the average citizen needs his weapons for the defense of his family, and the defense of his neighbors.

My $ .02

tdevince · Post by **tdevince** » 19 Feb 2010, 12:25

+1 - EXACTLY!!!

Aegweil · Post by **Aegweil** » 19 Feb 2010, 13:39

If memory serves me, during thwe WATTS riots, the asian store owners "saved" their business by guarding them with shotguns. I guess that was NOT "a state of emergency" ..... High-Gear was right on the money, "a state of emergency" is EXACTLY when we need ALL of our rights, especially 2A.

My nickle (inflatuation)....

High-Gear · Post by **High-Gear** » 19 Feb 2010, 15:12

Aegweil wrote:If memory serves me, during thwe WATTS riots, the asian store owners "saved" their business by guarding them with shotguns. I guess that was NOT "a state of emergency" ..... High-Gear was right on the money, "a state of emergency" is EXACTLY when we need ALL of our rights, especially 2A.

My nickle (inflatuation)....

I was not around for the Watts riots of the 60's, but during the riots after the Rodney King verdict, I remember Korean shop owners protecting their stores with firearms from the rooftops. :thumb:

Llagoud · Post by **Llagoud** » 14 Mar 2010, 05:09

The downward spiral continues....

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

March 12, 2010

Exclusive: Fox Becomes a Hen? ‘CAIR’ and Imbalance? News Corporation Falls Under Saudi Control

Former prominent guests on Fox News, including Walid Shoebat, contend that the News Corporation has surrendered its “fair and balanced” coverage of Islam and events in the Middle East for a fistful of Saudi cash.

On Monday, the Fox Business Network announced that it will dispatch a full-time correspondent to the Middle East in order to inform Americans of the unique business opportunities in such places as Syria, a country that provides shelter for Hamas, the Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah and support the insurgents in Iraq.

In the wake of this announcement, Fox news commentators – including Glenn Beck, Charles Krauthammer, A.B. Stoddard and Bill Kristol – condemned Geert Wilders, a well-respected Dutch dignitary and critic of radical Islam, as a “fascist” and a “demagogue.”

Mr. Krauthammer said that Mr. Wilders, who is the leading candidate for Prime Minister in The Netherlands, doesn’t know the difference between Islam and Islamism, a distinction known only to Mr. Krauthammer.

Kingdom Holding is owned by Prince Talal, who is called “the Arabian Warren Buffet.”
Listed by Forbes as the world’s 22nd richest person, Prince Talal also owns substantial shares of Time Warner, Apple, eBay, Disney, and Citibank.

As for charity, he gives millions to Hamas and other pro-Palestinian organizations.
Critics say that Prince Talal’s sizeable investment in the News Corporation accounts for Fox News programs critical of Israel, including a series of special reports in which Carl Cameron and Brit Hume alleged that Israel gathered information about the attacks of 9/11 and failed to warn the American people.

Walid Shoebat, a former member of the Palestine Liberation Organization, who converted to Christianity, charges that Fox New now prohibits critics of Islam and Islamic terror from appearing on its broadcasts.

"He himself (Prince bin Talal) said, 'I just had to make a phone call to [tell them to] stop using the word Muslim' regarding the rioting in France," Mr. Shoebat notes. "Bill O'Reilly says to Ibrahim Hooper, the head of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), that he is an upstanding citizen. Since when was the head of CAIR an upstanding citizen?"

Mr. Shoebat adds that viewers will no longer be seeing any so-called "Islamophobes" on Fox.

Full story and comments: http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/pu ... detail.asp

Mark Steyn comments: http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/? ... VkOWU3M2U=

These aren't words one has cause to type terribly often, but I think Charles Krauthammer is being deeply naïve in his observations on Geert Wilders (as, reportedly, was Glenn Beck, to whom I am otherwise well disposed, not least because he liked my Christmas single).

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