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I had occassion to use my PS90 loaded with ss197 bullets last night. Two pit bull mix dogs got into my yard and into my pot bellied pig's pen about 0130. I heard the commotion and went to investigate. My pig was backed up into his igloo doghouse and was holding the dogs off as best he could. He is an eleven year old family pet and means much to us. Anyways, the dogs came at me when I switched on the attached Surefire 6P light. They were so close and coming so fast, that I only got off one shot at each of them. Each one took it in the chest at close (>10 ft) range and veered away from me.
The bullets did not exit and the dogs expired within 50 yards. Looks like terriffic hemoraging. The largest was in excess of 75 lbs, while the other was around 60 lbs, both heavily muscled dogs. Could have been a little better on the stopping power, but was very effective, nonetheless. I believe if I had of put more rounds on target, the end result would have been quicker, but under the circumstances, I am satisfied with the performance. It is easy to appreciate the rounds on target that would be available with a full auto P90.
The effect would be immediate, I believe.
I hope that my pig will recover from his wounds, his attackers definately will not.
The bullets did not exit and the dogs expired within 50 yards. Looks like terriffic hemoraging. The largest was in excess of 75 lbs, while the other was around 60 lbs, both heavily muscled dogs. Could have been a little better on the stopping power, but was very effective, nonetheless. I believe if I had of put more rounds on target, the end result would have been quicker, but under the circumstances, I am satisfied with the performance. It is easy to appreciate the rounds on target that would be available with a full auto P90.
The effect would be immediate, I believe.
I hope that my pig will recover from his wounds, his attackers definately will not.
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Glad to hear the family pet will be ok. Did you get a chance to look at the wounds up close?
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Small entrance wound, no exit wound. Looked like a lot of internal damage. Blood out the ears, mouth, nose and even eyes on one. This was with one shot to the chest. The dogs were running and full of adrenlin from the attack on my pig. Not the immediate stop that I would like, but given the circumstances, I would not want an exit wound either. In the future, in such circumstances, I will double tap. This was the Hornaday 40 gr V Max blue tip in the factory load. I am sure some of the Elite ammo would have been even better.
Overall, I am extremely pleased with the ammo, PS90, light and green laser combination. The ease of operation was almost instinctive, there was no time to really aim, just point and shoot as the dogs were coming directly at me.
My pig is eating well and does not seem to be wounded too badly. The Igloo dog house undoubtably limited his exposure and helped prevent more serious injury. These were two large and extremely strong dogs and they were almost in a frenzy of attack. Good riddance.
Overall, I am extremely pleased with the ammo, PS90, light and green laser combination. The ease of operation was almost instinctive, there was no time to really aim, just point and shoot as the dogs were coming directly at me.
My pig is eating well and does not seem to be wounded too badly. The Igloo dog house undoubtably limited his exposure and helped prevent more serious injury. These were two large and extremely strong dogs and they were almost in a frenzy of attack. Good riddance.
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Glad you and the pig are doing well, nice shooting.
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So, did anyone come looking for their dogs? I really can't stand it when people don't keep their dogs on a leash. I have two dogs and would never dream of just letting them run wild like that.
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+1, I've had dogs running deer at my place. It aggravates me that people think its OK to let their animals run on other people's property. That is how my brother got his nickname DogSlayer, he put down one of those dogs running deer. I don't blame the dogs, I blame the owners. But the dog ends up paying the price for their POS owners.Zhurdan wrote:... I really can't stand it when people don't keep their dogs on a leash.
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tdevince wrote:+1, I've had dogs running deer at my place. It aggravates me that people think its OK to let their animals run on other people's property. That is how my brother got his nickname DogSlayer, he put down one of those dogs running deer. I don't blame the dogs, I blame the owners. But the dog ends up paying the price for their POS owners.Zhurdan wrote:... I really can't stand it when people don't keep their dogs on a leash.
What is dogs running deer mean?
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...chasing deer.
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I have a farm I manage for deer hunting, and spend every weekend from Sept. 15 through Mid Nov. bow hunting. From Mid Nov. I start firearms hunting. When people let their dogs chase the deer on MY property, it screws up the hunting and aggravates the crap out of me. So we have standing orders for all hunters (owners and guests) to kill any dogs seen on sight. When I'm there outside hunting season I'm always with my FsN, primarily for dog control.
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I think you did the right thing and you showed reserve by only shooting once at each dog.
Also the entrance wound is small, but don't let that fool you.
Hope the neighbors take accountability for their dogs and I hope no more BS goes your way.
I know in CA, I would have been in jail for protecting my loved ones, pets included, and peta would be one my case.
Also the entrance wound is small, but don't let that fool you.
Hope the neighbors take accountability for their dogs and I hope no more BS goes your way.
I know in CA, I would have been in jail for protecting my loved ones, pets included, and peta would be one my case.
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I had a similar experience this past summer. My youngest son took our Dalmation out on a leash early on a Saturday morning when I heard my son start yelling (I was still in bed). I jumped up and lloked out the window to see a stray Pitbull attacking our dog and my son trying to break it up. I grabbed my Fiveseven off the night stand and ran outside, grabbed the leash from my son and fired one round in the air thinking the sound would startle the pitbull but it did nothing to cause him to lessen the death grip on our dogs throat. I didn't shoot the pit at that point due to fear that the bullet would pass through into our dog. I grabbed the pit by the throat and squeezed which caused him to let go. My wife got our dog into the house, out the backdoor and into the suv. The pit then turned on me- latching onto my forearm. I fired two rounds which put him down. There were two entrance wounds and only one exit wound.
Immediately following our next door neighbor came out and informed me that the pit had ran his wife into the house earlier and they had called animal control twice an hour before and then a third time while the incident was happening. Two hours later animal control arrived only to be met by a reporter from the local newspaper asking the question-"why was response time delayed?". Our dog had to have numerous staples and I had 15 sutures and the rabies shot series(half of it) since the state lab tested the pit and was negative. It was just aggressive.
There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
Immediately following our next door neighbor came out and informed me that the pit had ran his wife into the house earlier and they had called animal control twice an hour before and then a third time while the incident was happening. Two hours later animal control arrived only to be met by a reporter from the local newspaper asking the question-"why was response time delayed?". Our dog had to have numerous staples and I had 15 sutures and the rabies shot series(half of it) since the state lab tested the pit and was negative. It was just aggressive.
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+1.cwadams70 wrote: There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
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I'm sure this is redundant but make sure the dogs are checked for rabies. You definitely do not want to see your family pet become sick. May be a good time for a checkup with the vet!
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hookdriver wrote:I'm sure this is redundant but make sure the dogs are checked for rabies. You definitely do not want to see your family pet become sick. May be a good time for a checkup with the vet!
It was over last summer, any rabies problems would have been seen well before nowcwadams70 wrote:I had a similar experience this past summer.... Our dog had to have numerous staples and I had 15 sutures and the rabies shot series(half of it) since the state lab tested the pit and was negative.
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My wife works at a vet, and the last time I heard, the only way to check for rabies it to test brain tissue once the animal is dead. So don't have your own dog tested unless you don't want it anymore :phookdriver wrote:I'm sure this is redundant but make sure the dogs are checked for rabies. You definitely do not want to see your family pet become sick. May be a good time for a checkup with the vet!
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I'm sorry guys. I know there are a lot of pit lovers out there. But I will never be convinced that a pit can be made into a good pet. Too many BAD people have in-bred them to the point that you simply can't know which ones have good genetics.
I've responded to many calls where grandma raised a pit from a puppy then one day Fido turns and tries to eat grandma's ass. For no apparent reason. Something in Fido's wiring just get's crossed and he snaps and if we're lucky, we can put Fido down before grandma makes it to the clearing beyond the great path.
I know, I know...no bad dogs, just bad owners...
I've responded to many calls where grandma raised a pit from a puppy then one day Fido turns and tries to eat grandma's ass. For no apparent reason. Something in Fido's wiring just get's crossed and he snaps and if we're lucky, we can put Fido down before grandma makes it to the clearing beyond the great path.
I know, I know...no bad dogs, just bad owners...
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Fly - I have to admit my last trip to Petsmart brought out that same fear. There were three different owners with pit bulls near the vet counter at the same time. I kept my daughter away and in my arms the entire time. It doesn't matter if they were of good pet genetic heritage.
We didn't have an incident, but I'm just not comfortable having my three year old around dogs of dangerous propensity, even if they are good pets.
We didn't have an incident, but I'm just not comfortable having my three year old around dogs of dangerous propensity, even if they are good pets.
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What seems silly to me is that even if your pit is OK, if anything were to happen you are fighting an uphill battle due to the public perception of the breed. If someone's beagle bites the neighbors kid because he was taunting the dog, probably nothing will come of it. If the neighbor's kid is bitten by your pit because the dog was being taunted, brace for a very expensive lawsuit. Dogs do what dogs do, and the best behaved dog may bite or attack at a perceived threat. When that happens, try to convince the jury your pit bull is not viscous and was only responding and any dog would.
To high a risk for conditions beyond my control to want to own one.
To high a risk for conditions beyond my control to want to own one.
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In April 93 I was on loan to weber,morgan narc strike force cause I was still rookie new face and we had worked a T case to raid status on a meth lab. I was qualified to carry G-21 while everyone else still had G-19's and 17's so I got assigned to eliminate the pit to start the raid. Nonchalontly walking down the street plain clothes past the target house the raid van pulls up I draw the 21 and put a 230gr Black Talon right between the pit eyes. Downward angle made the bullet pass down the spine but never exited. Dog dropped like bag of concrete with not so much as a wiggle. Raid went off without a hitch with 4 good felony arrests and 30 ozs seized.Cyberfly wrote:I'm sorry guys. I know there are a lot of pit lovers out there. But I will never be convinced that a pit can be made into a good pet. Too many BAD people have in-bred them to the point that you simply can't know which ones have good genetics.
I've responded to many calls where grandma raised a pit from a puppy then one day Fido turns and tries to eat grandma's ass. For no apparent reason. Something in Fido's wiring just get's crossed and he snaps and if we're lucky, we can put Fido down before grandma makes it to the clearing beyond the great path.
I know, I know...no bad dogs, just bad owners...
I havent tried the 5.7 on anything living yet but im sure it is effective.
BTW I still hate pits and always will.
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I had a weird situation staying at a girlfriends house once, her roommate had two pits. Really great dogs, extremely intelligent and obedient (I was surprised). Both dogs would come, sit, stay, shake hands, get off the couch or get away from whatever they were messing with, or go directly to their cages and lay down when told (by anybody). They would probably attack on command too, they are really good about understanding your intention. The problem is, he only chains one up when he leaves them outside. The other one was so obedient it stays in the yard near the house and comes to the door when told (the other one would run off if not chained). Granted the property was setup like a castle on a cliff, around 150 yards to any road with about 40% being a steep uphill and 40% a steep downhill, and the only real entrance that is not a serious hike through the sparse woods would be the driveway. They are mostly inside dogs, but he does this every day when he lets them out, chains one dog up and tells the other to stay in the yard.
Again I think they are really great dogs, but that got me carrying around the house more when I'm at my girlfriends. Watching them play, they don't play like a beagle plays... They don't have any aggressive tendencies at all (even to each other), but if a person was on the receiving end of what the dogs happily do when they play, they would probably be going to the hospital. On the few occasions where I was alone at the house and let the dogs out, I stayed there and watched em. If they attacked and wouldn't listen to me I wouldn't even try to wrestle those dogs off someone, between them they weigh as much as I do. I'm not going to be responsible if the loose dogs decides to wander off, I already told her roommate "if your dogs ever attack anyone, even if it was some stupid kid walking on to your property and shooting a BB gun and kicking them or something, lets just say I won't be shooting the kid." He understands, but he would be more inclined to shoot the kid.
Her roomate is a pretty cool guy, 50 something, ex military, now a trucker and kind of an old school biker. I think he keeps the dogs with him in the cab when he goes hauling. Same thing about the dogs applies too I bet, he puts one dog on a leash and the other will walk step by step next to him.
Again I think they are really great dogs, but that got me carrying around the house more when I'm at my girlfriends. Watching them play, they don't play like a beagle plays... They don't have any aggressive tendencies at all (even to each other), but if a person was on the receiving end of what the dogs happily do when they play, they would probably be going to the hospital. On the few occasions where I was alone at the house and let the dogs out, I stayed there and watched em. If they attacked and wouldn't listen to me I wouldn't even try to wrestle those dogs off someone, between them they weigh as much as I do. I'm not going to be responsible if the loose dogs decides to wander off, I already told her roommate "if your dogs ever attack anyone, even if it was some stupid kid walking on to your property and shooting a BB gun and kicking them or something, lets just say I won't be shooting the kid." He understands, but he would be more inclined to shoot the kid.
Her roomate is a pretty cool guy, 50 something, ex military, now a trucker and kind of an old school biker. I think he keeps the dogs with him in the cab when he goes hauling. Same thing about the dogs applies too I bet, he puts one dog on a leash and the other will walk step by step next to him.
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People put WAY too much trust in how they keep their dogs from attacking someone.
I've been chased by two pitbulls while out cycling. The only thing that helped me out was adrenaline. They were both coming and gaining ground VERY quickly. I heard the bark/growls, checked my 6, got out of the saddle and started cranking real hard. One of them was to my left right at my back tire when I was finally able to pull away (looked at my speedometer and was doing 25mph... going uphill ).
Just a few weeks ago I was out for a walk and some people had a couple dogs that they let roam freely in their property (it was a few miles out of town). Well they apparently had one of those "invisible" fences, the dogs came full bore at me and then stopped at a trail they had made at the edge of the property. I was more than ready to draw down on these dogs, because their demeanor wasn't anywhere near friendly.
I've been chased by two pitbulls while out cycling. The only thing that helped me out was adrenaline. They were both coming and gaining ground VERY quickly. I heard the bark/growls, checked my 6, got out of the saddle and started cranking real hard. One of them was to my left right at my back tire when I was finally able to pull away (looked at my speedometer and was doing 25mph... going uphill ).
Just a few weeks ago I was out for a walk and some people had a couple dogs that they let roam freely in their property (it was a few miles out of town). Well they apparently had one of those "invisible" fences, the dogs came full bore at me and then stopped at a trail they had made at the edge of the property. I was more than ready to draw down on these dogs, because their demeanor wasn't anywhere near friendly.
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We always had a problem with feral dogs on our farm when I was growing up. They'd run horses through fences, kill chickens, etc. One of grandpa's old .303 enfields saw to that problem most of the time.
The fastinating thing is how dogs will automatically go into "pack" mode when abandoned in the wild. Instinct takes over and they are just part of the food chain.
The fastinating thing is how dogs will automatically go into "pack" mode when abandoned in the wild. Instinct takes over and they are just part of the food chain.
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There are bad dogs, just like there are bad people. Just my $0.02cwadams70 wrote: There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.
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Both a product of the environment which they are raised... A small child isn't inherently bad... The checks and balances in their lives (or lack therof) and experiences develop their personality during their impressionable years. Every child dreams of being an astronaut, professional athlete, or President... None aspire to be a serial killer or drug addict when they grow up. So yes, there are bad people but someone and/or some experience made them that way.
Granted, overbreeding of animals can and does impact their agressive nature, for the most part, the treatment of those animals as puppies only solidifies their aggression. If in a loving peaceful environment from birth, it will act differently than if raised in an abusive, violent home that often rewards the animal for displays of their aggression.
The pit that attacked us had numerous 'battle' scars on his face, neck, torso and legs. The animal control officer took a look at his teeth and had some broken- it was obvious that the owner had used this dog specifically for fighting. A ring of dog fighting was busted a month later approx 8 miles from our home. That animal never had a chance....
Granted, overbreeding of animals can and does impact their agressive nature, for the most part, the treatment of those animals as puppies only solidifies their aggression. If in a loving peaceful environment from birth, it will act differently than if raised in an abusive, violent home that often rewards the animal for displays of their aggression.
The pit that attacked us had numerous 'battle' scars on his face, neck, torso and legs. The animal control officer took a look at his teeth and had some broken- it was obvious that the owner had used this dog specifically for fighting. A ring of dog fighting was busted a month later approx 8 miles from our home. That animal never had a chance....
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I've had the "fun" of going outside to see what the commotion was and walking into a pack of six dogs! :skep: but since I'd had run ins when we first moved out here I always have a gun with me,a few rounds always settles things.
Thing is an animal is an animal,if it's big enough to hurt me I have a weapon on me at all times I'm in the same area as it-it wants to bite/attack me it's :guns:
Thing is an animal is an animal,if it's big enough to hurt me I have a weapon on me at all times I'm in the same area as it-it wants to bite/attack me it's :guns:
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I had the sweetest pit bull, loving, adorable & obedient.... except when challenged by misbehaving dogs.... then he snapped into a fighting frenzy. I sadly had to put him down to assure neighbor kids wouldn't get hurt trying to separate him from their miserable dogs. I've seen a few mild mannered pits, but I'll never get another warrior dog. I'm happy enough with my most recent, a Portuguese, now 3 years old. Smart, gentle, no shedding, barks and is suspicious appropriately, warning me but posing no significant danger himself.
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TD's right. public perception in court plays a major role. I simply never cared for the way pitbulls look.
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Tease me all you want, but I said AWWW when I read about your pot bellied pig being the family pet of 11 yrs. I still think that's the coolest thing, haha. Great job with your PS90, awesome shooting. Shooting at night is really hard, much less against moving targets with adrenaline running (or maybe not since you're a vet? forgive me if I'm wrong).Flatbed wrote:I had occassion to use my PS90 loaded with ss197 bullets last night. Two pit bull mix dogs got into my yard and into my pot bellied pig's pen about 0130. I heard the commotion and went to investigate. My pig was backed up into his igloo doghouse and was holding the dogs off as best he could. He is an eleven year old family pet and means much to us. Anyways, the dogs came at me when I switched on the attached Surefire 6P light. They were so close and coming so fast, that I only got off one shot at each of them. Each one took it in the chest at close (>10 ft) range and veered away from me.
The bullets did not exit and the dogs expired within 50 yards. Looks like terriffic hemoraging. The largest was in excess of 75 lbs, while the other was around 60 lbs, both heavily muscled dogs. Could have been a little better on the stopping power, but was very effective, nonetheless. I believe if I had of put more rounds on target, the end result would have been quicker, but under the circumstances, I am satisfied with the performance. It is easy to appreciate the rounds on target that would be available with a full auto P90.
The effect would be immediate, I believe.
I hope that my pig will recover from his wounds, his attackers definately will not.
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Bad owners make bad pets, or, bad breeding makes bad pets.
I do agree with Fly to a point, animals run off of genetics, instinct and training. You can train a dog to be good, or have a "good 'ol Labrador" but at some point that dog will still growl and bite if provoked (instinct), but animals can be bred for specific traits, if a dog trains well for aggressive behavior those genetics remain and grow through proper breeding and become instinct, which is what has been done to many pits.
It is not fair to look at all pits, rotties, dobies or any other "aggressive dog" and pass judgment that it is a bad dog, but it is good to be on guard. If i see a good family with a pit, my guard is less, if i see a pit with some dew rag gang banger, my guard is high, but in both situations i keep an eye out, just-in-case instincts kick in or aggressive training is used. Instinct, no matter how deeply buried with training is still waiting for the right trigger to set it off.
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I do agree with Fly to a point, animals run off of genetics, instinct and training. You can train a dog to be good, or have a "good 'ol Labrador" but at some point that dog will still growl and bite if provoked (instinct), but animals can be bred for specific traits, if a dog trains well for aggressive behavior those genetics remain and grow through proper breeding and become instinct, which is what has been done to many pits.
It is not fair to look at all pits, rotties, dobies or any other "aggressive dog" and pass judgment that it is a bad dog, but it is good to be on guard. If i see a good family with a pit, my guard is less, if i see a pit with some dew rag gang banger, my guard is high, but in both situations i keep an eye out, just-in-case instincts kick in or aggressive training is used. Instinct, no matter how deeply buried with training is still waiting for the right trigger to set it off.
+1 on the good shooting
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Flatbed wrote:Small entrance wound, no exit wound. Looked like a lot of internal damage. Blood out the ears, mouth, nose and even eyes on one. This was with one shot to the chest. The dogs were running and full of adrenalin from the attack on my pig. Not the immediate stop that I would like, but given the circumstances, I would not want an exit wound either. In the future, in such circumstances, I will double tap. This was the Hornaday 40 gr V Max blue tip in the factory load. I am sure some of the Elite ammo would have been even better.
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seams like the weapon system worked perfect. :gavel:
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fatherfoof wrote:TD's right. public perception in court plays a major role. I simply never cared for the way pitbulls look.
My six year old daughter was bitten in the face by a neighbors Black Lab and animal control told us if it was a Pit Bull they would have put it down but Labs were friendly and she might have been taunting it, because no one saw it happen. After TWO more neighbor kids were bitten by the supposedly friendly Lab they finally did what they should have done in the first place and destroyed it. And get this, the neighbor/dog owner tried suing the parents of the last kid that there dog chewed up. Just goes to show, you can't fix stupid!!
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Hope your daughter recovers well and speedily.
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Yep, would have made me want to put the dog down myself.blueorison wrote:Hope your daughter recovers well and speedily.
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I have encounters with pit bulls and regular mutts a lot. I almost got attacked by a large, white pit bull at one time and I didn't have any weapon. At the time I use to occasionally carry a pocket knife, but that day all I had were my boots. And this was one heavily muscled pit. It's arms looked bigger and more muscular than my arms. Luckily my dog got it's attention by being playful and led it somewhere else. I usually deal with regular mean dogs and most of the time they keep their distance when I show no fear to them. I just let them know if they come close I will attack them with a kick. But the pit bulls I ran into so far just come right at me. I had to pull my FNP-9 on one, but it backed off when I loaded a round.
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Loaded a round? Carry unchambered?
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Sorry to dig up an old thread, been browsing the forums as I have been considering the Fiveseven/PS90 combo and couldn't help but reply here
I hate to hear that many of you have had bad experiences with pitbulls. I must say I was never particularly fond of the breed but I also wasn't particularly against them either. That all changed a year and a half ago when my wife (fiancé at the time) and I adopted a 6 month old pit, possibly a mix. Its a long story as to how we ended up with her but the gist of it is we couldn't leave her at the shelter in the condition she was in.
She has quite literally been the sweetest dog either of us have ever owned. She loves every person she meets and has proven to be shockingly good with every animal she meets as well, which is generally where pitbulls get into trouble. I have seen her attacked by another dog at an off-leash park and she doesn't understand aggression, she simply lays down and takes it. We absolutely have an open door policy here, if you happen to have a belief that all pitbulls are evil and find yourself in the Seattle area you should come meet our dog.
That said, my wife and I were just talking at dinner tonight about how lucky we've been with her. Pitbulls were originally bred as family dogs that could be trusted as baby sitters. The breed ended up being good towards humans but aggressive towards all animals, these days people can easily turn that animal aggression towards people if they want to. Its a shame that the breed has such a bad name because they really can be amazing dogs. Training truly is the number one priority and not just anyone should have a pitbull as they are a needy breed, but with the right training they can be truly amazing animals.
I appreciate the initial sentiment of the thread as a potential 5.7 owner, its great to see some real life data on the round. But I hate to hear the tone towards the breed specifically. Many people with a prejudice against pits have experiences to cause it, but unfortunately this spreads to others that just hate the breed because they look vicious. The OP was absolutely right to shoot the dogs that attacked his pigs and charged him, unfortunately the dogs were pits and the history with the breed drove him to point that fact out specifically. Had the dogs been labs it would have just been a couple stray dogs...
As I said anyone that wants to see the potential of the breed should meet our dog. I just hope that owners can become more responsible owners and the public can move away from the idea that the dog are evil simply because they look "scary" or strong.
I hate to hear that many of you have had bad experiences with pitbulls. I must say I was never particularly fond of the breed but I also wasn't particularly against them either. That all changed a year and a half ago when my wife (fiancé at the time) and I adopted a 6 month old pit, possibly a mix. Its a long story as to how we ended up with her but the gist of it is we couldn't leave her at the shelter in the condition she was in.
She has quite literally been the sweetest dog either of us have ever owned. She loves every person she meets and has proven to be shockingly good with every animal she meets as well, which is generally where pitbulls get into trouble. I have seen her attacked by another dog at an off-leash park and she doesn't understand aggression, she simply lays down and takes it. We absolutely have an open door policy here, if you happen to have a belief that all pitbulls are evil and find yourself in the Seattle area you should come meet our dog.
That said, my wife and I were just talking at dinner tonight about how lucky we've been with her. Pitbulls were originally bred as family dogs that could be trusted as baby sitters. The breed ended up being good towards humans but aggressive towards all animals, these days people can easily turn that animal aggression towards people if they want to. Its a shame that the breed has such a bad name because they really can be amazing dogs. Training truly is the number one priority and not just anyone should have a pitbull as they are a needy breed, but with the right training they can be truly amazing animals.
I appreciate the initial sentiment of the thread as a potential 5.7 owner, its great to see some real life data on the round. But I hate to hear the tone towards the breed specifically. Many people with a prejudice against pits have experiences to cause it, but unfortunately this spreads to others that just hate the breed because they look vicious. The OP was absolutely right to shoot the dogs that attacked his pigs and charged him, unfortunately the dogs were pits and the history with the breed drove him to point that fact out specifically. Had the dogs been labs it would have just been a couple stray dogs...
As I said anyone that wants to see the potential of the breed should meet our dog. I just hope that owners can become more responsible owners and the public can move away from the idea that the dog are evil simply because they look "scary" or strong.
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Nothing wrong with digging up an old thread, as long as the post is relevant (which it is)
My brother has 2 pits, one is friendly, the other not so much. I stayed at his place for 3 days before she'd let me pet her, even then only if she wanted something :laugh:
My aunt & uncle however, they raise dogs all the time. From the little football dogs to Pits, Rots, & currently Mastiffs. The only danger any of those big dogs ever presented to anyone was that they'd knock you over & lick ya to death.
That said, it was funny as hell watching strangers pull up & try to get out of their car with those "monsters" around :lmao: They didn't know the dogs were friendly.
My brother has 2 pits, one is friendly, the other not so much. I stayed at his place for 3 days before she'd let me pet her, even then only if she wanted something :laugh:
My aunt & uncle however, they raise dogs all the time. From the little football dogs to Pits, Rots, & currently Mastiffs. The only danger any of those big dogs ever presented to anyone was that they'd knock you over & lick ya to death.
That said, it was funny as hell watching strangers pull up & try to get out of their car with those "monsters" around :lmao: They didn't know the dogs were friendly.
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Welcome! I really enjoyed reading your first post.sullitf wrote:Sorry to dig up an old thread, been browsing the forums as I have been considering the Fiveseven/PS90 combo and couldn't help but reply here
I hate to hear that many of you have had bad experiences with pitbulls. I must say I was never particularly fond of the breed but I also wasn't particularly against them either. That all changed a year and a half ago when my wife (fiancé at the time) and I adopted a 6 month old pit, possibly a mix. Its a long story as to how we ended up with her but the gist of it is we couldn't leave her at the shelter in the condition she was in.
She has quite literally been the sweetest dog either of us have ever owned. She loves every person she meets and has proven to be shockingly good with every animal she meets as well, which is generally where pitbulls get into trouble. I have seen her attacked by another dog at an off-leash park and she doesn't understand aggression, she simply lays down and takes it. We absolutely have an open door policy here, if you happen to have a belief that all pitbulls are evil and find yourself in the Seattle area you should come meet our dog.
That said, my wife and I were just talking at dinner tonight about how lucky we've been with her. Pitbulls were originally bred as family dogs that could be trusted as baby sitters. The breed ended up being good towards humans but aggressive towards all animals, these days people can easily turn that animal aggression towards people if they want to. Its a shame that the breed has such a bad name because they really can be amazing dogs. Training truly is the number one priority and not just anyone should have a pitbull as they are a needy breed, but with the right training they can be truly amazing animals.
I appreciate the initial sentiment of the thread as a potential 5.7 owner, its great to see some real life data on the round. But I hate to hear the tone towards the breed specifically. Many people with a prejudice against pits have experiences to cause it, but unfortunately this spreads to others that just hate the breed because they look vicious. The OP was absolutely right to shoot the dogs that attacked his pigs and charged him, unfortunately the dogs were pits and the history with the breed drove him to point that fact out specifically. Had the dogs been labs it would have just been a couple stray dogs...
As I said anyone that wants to see the potential of the breed should meet our dog. I just hope that owners can become more responsible owners and the public can move away from the idea that the dog are evil simply because they look "scary" or strong.
However, as with humans, I give this analogy;
If you there have doors that are numbered 1-3, etc...
when you open door #1, and you get punched in the face 80% of the time
when you open door #2, and you get punched in the face 30% of the time
when you open door #3 and you get punched in the face 1% of the time,
which door are you most likely to want to open and trust?
You can call it "breedist" attitude, or racism, or prejudice, etc.. but I often go off my own experiences and record with people and dogs, and when a certain breed of people or dog bites me (metaphorically or literally) over and over again, I'm probably not going to trust that breed.
Look at it this way; when you open door #1, you might NOT get punched; it might be that 20% of the time you get fortunate. But to me, life is too short to risk it. I'd rather spend it with people and dogs that I know aren't going to bite me.
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Thanks, and just to reiterate I completely understand why so many people are afraid of pits or see them as dangerous. After living with a pitbull for the last 18 months I will admit that it is abundantly clear how easily she could hurt someone if she wanted to. We didn't originally plan on getting a pit and both know how lucky were to end up with a dog that has absolutely no concept of anger or violence.
That said I think your analogy really exemplifies some of the misconceptions of the breed. I wish I had the statistics handy, but based on quite a few studies pitbulls are actually less likely than many other breeds to attack a person or animal. As an example, think about small breeds like Chihuahuas or Pomeranians. They are much more snippy and will bite people quite often, but my cat can do more damage with a bite so who really cares. With pits, they rarely attack a person but you always hear about it in the news when they do because there are going to be serious injuries.
I would argue that the analogy really should be more along the lines of:
When you open door number 1, you get pinched 80% of the time
When you open door number 2, you get punched in the face 30% of the time
When you open door number 3, you get run over by a Mack truck 1% of the time
That isn't to say that the breed isn't more dangerous than others, I think my analogy above actually shows why they are more dangerous. They may not attack often, but when they do there is potential for serious injury. Its just unfortunate that the breed in general is often viewed dangerous and evil, while there are examples of dogs like that they are few and far between.
Just last night my wife (who is all of 5 feet tall and 120lb soaking wet) mentioned how she doesn't know if she could get any other breed of dog after having this pit. I absolutely respect a person's right to dislike or fear pits, or any other animal for that matter, but I hate to see the breed get such a bad name when the vast majority of the dogs are extremely friendly and great family dogs.
Now back to the original topic, I appreciate the real-world results of the 5.7 round. If prices ever settle back down I hope to get a fiveseven and PS90, its good to see results from more than just gelatin blocks :thumb:
That said I think your analogy really exemplifies some of the misconceptions of the breed. I wish I had the statistics handy, but based on quite a few studies pitbulls are actually less likely than many other breeds to attack a person or animal. As an example, think about small breeds like Chihuahuas or Pomeranians. They are much more snippy and will bite people quite often, but my cat can do more damage with a bite so who really cares. With pits, they rarely attack a person but you always hear about it in the news when they do because there are going to be serious injuries.
I would argue that the analogy really should be more along the lines of:
When you open door number 1, you get pinched 80% of the time
When you open door number 2, you get punched in the face 30% of the time
When you open door number 3, you get run over by a Mack truck 1% of the time
That isn't to say that the breed isn't more dangerous than others, I think my analogy above actually shows why they are more dangerous. They may not attack often, but when they do there is potential for serious injury. Its just unfortunate that the breed in general is often viewed dangerous and evil, while there are examples of dogs like that they are few and far between.
Just last night my wife (who is all of 5 feet tall and 120lb soaking wet) mentioned how she doesn't know if she could get any other breed of dog after having this pit. I absolutely respect a person's right to dislike or fear pits, or any other animal for that matter, but I hate to see the breed get such a bad name when the vast majority of the dogs are extremely friendly and great family dogs.
Now back to the original topic, I appreciate the real-world results of the 5.7 round. If prices ever settle back down I hope to get a fiveseven and PS90, its good to see results from more than just gelatin blocks :thumb:
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glad to hear that your family friend pet is going to be ok and great job on taking 2 dangerous animals out of our society.Flatbed wrote:I had occassion to use my PS90 loaded with ss197 bullets last night. Two pit bull mix dogs got into my yard and into my pot bellied pig's pen about 0130. I heard the commotion and went to investigate. My pig was backed up into his igloo doghouse and was holding the dogs off as best he could. He is an eleven year old family pet and means much to us. Anyways, the dogs came at me when I switched on the attached Surefire 6P light. They were so close and coming so fast, that I only got off one shot at each of them. Each one took it in the chest at close (>10 ft) range and veered away from me.
The bullets did not exit and the dogs expired within 50 yards. Looks like terriffic hemoraging. The largest was in excess of 75 lbs, while the other was around 60 lbs, both heavily muscled dogs. Could have been a little better on the stopping power, but was very effective, nonetheless. I believe if I had of put more rounds on target, the end result would have been quicker, but under the circumstances, I am satisfied with the performance. It is easy to appreciate the rounds on target that would be available with a full auto P90.
The effect would be immediate, I believe.
I hope that my pig will recover from his wounds, his attackers definately will not.
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I suspect that forced post-bite euthanasia for testing purposes is very rare unless the suspect manifests suspicious symptoms that highly suggest that rabies is in progress or unless a history of repeated attacks has been documented.f3rr37 wrote:My wife works at a vet, and the last time I heard, the only way to check for rabies it to test brain tissue once the animal is dead. So don't have your own dog tested unless you don't want it anymore :phookdriver wrote:I'm sure this is redundant but make sure the dogs are checked for rabies. You definitely do not want to see your family pet become sick. May be a good time for a checkup with the vet!
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Most importantly is that you have your own dogs/pets regularly immunized for rabies, on time, and without failure. Also have your certificates of rabies vaccination signed by the administering vet or authorized technician readily available in the event that a bite occurs. The aftermath of a bite or dog attack can be emotional, unpredictable, and expensive as hell - but you can trust pre-exposure immunization (vaccination) to efficaciously protect your pet and involved hum-ans from the disease as long as the vaccine was active and properly administered per label directive.
The timing of post-bite testing is important, especially if the bite involves the victims face or neck area. Obviously do not let the suspect escape from your control if at all possible. If he is to be tested the head will have to be removed, immediately placed "on ice", and transported to the nearest testing facility as quickly as possible. I believe that most jurisdictions accept and actually prefer that suspect bats be submitted intact.
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I Have a pit mastiff mix and he is a therapy dog. He helps out troubled teens and little kids in the hospital. I hate naive stubborn people who have no idea what the dog is about. They just discriminate because of the stupid media. Its proven that some different races of people are more dangerous then other races and jail records prove that. I think maybe we should get rid of those races in our country, Um no that would be redickulous. You had every right to shoot those dogs and im glad they are off the street but to say they are all bad and cant be trained and they turn on there owners is the biggest line of BS I have ever heard. There are bad owners not bad dogs.
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