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I saw some gel tests where factory SS197SR expanded unreliably. I think the only one he got good expansion on was a random high vel round about 1770fps (most were closer to 1700fps). Hornady says in their literature expansion down to 1600fps, but the product page has 2000fps as the min muzzle velocity.

Anyone do research or tests on this?

The issue is expand into what?

Even more so when the V-Max does not expand traditionally anyway.

Get it going past 1700fps and it will perform.

Keep in mind the Ft. Bliss shooter used SS197 that uses the same bullet but slower and he had no issues dropping people.

panzermk2 wrote:The issue is expand into what?

Even more so when the V-Max does not expand traditionally anyway.

Get it going past 1700fps and it will perform.

Keep in mind the Ft. Bliss shooter used SS197 that uses the same bullet but slower and he had no issues dropping people.

I had read that he used ss192?

Dropping people? Only one person other than the bad guy was killed at Ft. Bliss.

spyderco monkey wrote:

panzermk2 wrote:The issue is expand into what?

Even more so when the V-Max does not expand traditionally anyway.

Get it going past 1700fps and it will perform.

Keep in mind the Ft. Bliss shooter used SS197 that uses the same bullet but slower and he had no issues dropping people.

I had read that he used ss192?

Nope pretty much ALL 197

DoubleJ wrote:Dropping people? Only one person other than the bad guy was killed at Ft. Bliss.

When one shot explodes a leg bone and the person drops, they are dropped.



When SS197 is the round the drug cartels get a hold of most often for their preferred weapon the FsN and uses it kill hundreds if not thousands in their drug wars so it works well enough.


Also spend some time searching the forum, the 40gr V-Max rounds from FNH and Elite Ammunition have been tested many times by members of this forum since the day they where installed.


You can also check out these youtube pages of members whom have tested ALL 5.7 rounds extensively.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BuffmanLT1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


https://www.youtube.com/user/AmendmentNo2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are some test vids from a few years back,

Given the boost of velocity provided by the 16" barrel, would you suggest the SS197 or SS198 for HD?

Home Defense? What I refer to as night stand where other family members and neighbor perforation is not wanted?

SS197, the 198 from a PS90 is like me S4M from a pistol, overkill for inside the house. If you're worried about SHTF have a second magazine full of SS198/S4M.

panzermk2 wrote:

DoubleJ wrote:Dropping people? Only one person other than the bad guy was killed at Ft. Bliss.

When one shot explodes a leg bone and the person drops, they are dropped.



When SS197 is the round the drug cartels get a hold of most often for their preferred weapon the FsN and uses it kill hundreds if not thousands in their drug wars so it works well enough.


Also spend some time searching the forum, the 40gr V-Max rounds from FNH and Elite Ammunition have been tested many times by members of this forum since the day they where installed.


You can also check out these youtube pages of members whom have tested ALL 5.7 rounds extensively.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BuffmanLT1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


https://www.youtube.com/user/AmendmentNo2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, only one person was killed at Ft. Bliss besides by the bad guy.

I think you mean the Ft. Hood shooting. Ft. Bliss involved a .380, no?

panzermk2 wrote:The issue is expand into what?

Even more so when the V-Max does not expand traditionally anyway.

Get it going past 1700fps and it will perform.

Keep in mind the Ft. Bliss shooter used SS197 that uses the same bullet but slower and he had no issues dropping people.

DoubleJ wrote:

panzermk2 wrote:

DoubleJ wrote:Dropping people? Only one person other than the bad guy was killed at Ft. Bliss.

When one shot explodes a leg bone and the person drops, they are dropped.



When SS197 is the round the drug cartels get a hold of most often for their preferred weapon the FsN and uses it kill hundreds if not thousands in their drug wars so it works well enough.


Also spend some time searching the forum, the 40gr V-Max rounds from FNH and Elite Ammunition have been tested many times by members of this forum since the day they where installed.


You can also check out these youtube pages of members whom have tested ALL 5.7 rounds extensively.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BuffmanLT1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


https://www.youtube.com/user/AmendmentNo2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, only one person was killed at Ft. Bliss besides by the bad guy.

Dropped means OUT OF FIGHT. If so much of your leg is damaged so bad that the medical treatment for it starts at amputation, you are dropped, you are out of the fight.

Of course again ignoring the 100s if not thousands of people killed with the FsN by the drug cartels.

Fort Hood or Fort Bliss?

Fotis wrote:Fort Hood or Fort Bliss?

Pretty sure he meant Ft. Hood..

Both are in TX, Both been home to the ACR and yes I mixed them up. You got me.

DoubleJ wrote:Dropping people? Only one person other than the bad guy was killed at Ft. Bliss.

The bad guy is still alive

panzermk2 wrote:

DoubleJ wrote:

panzermk2 wrote:

DoubleJ wrote:Dropping people? Only one person other than the bad guy was killed at Ft. Bliss.

When one shot explodes a leg bone and the person drops, they are dropped.



When SS197 is the round the drug cartels get a hold of most often for their preferred weapon the FsN and uses it kill hundreds if not thousands in their drug wars so it works well enough.


Also spend some time searching the forum, the 40gr V-Max rounds from FNH and Elite Ammunition have been tested many times by members of this forum since the day they where installed.


You can also check out these youtube pages of members whom have tested ALL 5.7 rounds extensively.

https://www.youtube.com/user/BuffmanLT1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


https://www.youtube.com/user/AmendmentNo2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, only one person was killed at Ft. Bliss besides by the bad guy.

Dropped means OUT OF FIGHT. If so much of your leg is damaged so bad that the medical treatment for it starts at amputation, you are dropped, you are out of the fight.

I concur. The responding female officer was shot in the leg and her femur shattered in 63 pieces!

The issue with 40grain V-max is not expansion. The ballistics tests I've seen have it clocked at 1700 fps. It does not fully expand, but it tumbles like a SOB and still generates more than lethal wound channels. It also makes adequate penetration depths. That's in standard blue box ammo.

Kiran04 wrote:The issue with 40grain V-max is not expansion. The ballistics tests I've seen have it clocked at 1700 fps. It does not fully expand, but it tumbles like a SOB and still generates more than lethal wound channels. It also makes adequate penetration depths. That's in standard blue box ammo.

+1 @ 1700 fps

This is why I stopped using the 40gr Vmax years ago and now use the Nosler 40gr Varmageddon.

One time I was shooting Pdogs with Vmaxs from my AR, they were exploding all over the place, almost like the Vmax was designed for shooting Pdogs with rifles or something. Weird.

DoubleJ wrote:One time I was shooting Pdogs with Vmaxs from my AR, they were exploding all over the place, almost like the Vmax was designed for shooting Pdogs with rifles or something. Weird.

It was but it is an old design and reliant part of your statement, I was shooting from an AR. Drop the FPS down and the Nosler out performs it.

FYI Nosler has their version of the V-max. It has a green tip, we used it in the past for the Pro1 and it is an older design.

The new Varmageddon out performs both.

I do believe that the V Max bullet design has changed.

Several years ago Hornady stated on their L.E. web site that .223 40 gr Urban TAP shouldn't be used in a barrel with a faster twist than 1/9". They changed that later to 1/7".

Nope V-max has not been changed. It performs the same as it has for the last 15 years.

FYI the SS197 uses the 40gr V-Max only with a custom blue tip installed.

The femur of the person hit in the leg shattered into 63 pieces. Yeah, that person dropped.