Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
Anyone have experience with their 5.7 ammo?
I just purchased a box of the V57 Prime. It has a GS CUSTOM USA 34 gr solid pure copper segmented projectile.
I just purchased a box of the V57 Prime. It has a GS CUSTOM USA 34 gr solid pure copper segmented projectile.
Re: Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
These look very close to a copy of EA's round. Been trying to get my hands on some..
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Which of the EA ammo does this look like?Buffman wrote:These look very close to a copy of EA's round. Been trying to get my hands on some..
http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/catalo ... ory=104598" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They have a few others as well.
Re: Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
Like their old S5:
http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16450" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16450" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
Ok...had no idea there was litigation going on or was.Buffman wrote:Like their old S5:
http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16450" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Apologies to Jay and EA for posting....again had no idea.
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They have illegally copied our round and we are getting ready to sue the sh!t out of them.
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Re: Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
Is it just me or do those cases kind of look--well--a little ruff?
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I think I see a bit of a crimp at the top, but it doesn't look like a Lee style crimp, maybe it's from those CHD (SP!) dies?
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Look like 1x brass, maybe even tumbled a bit
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I'm all for more products on the market, but if it's 1x brass, it's for the range. I want the new stuff if I need the FsN to keep me safe.
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Description on website states new brass although it does appear a bit rough.DoubleJ wrote:I'm all for more products on the market, but if it's 1x brass, it's for the range. I want the new stuff if I need the FsN to keep me safe.
"This ammunition is manufactured by us utilizing new brass and the highest caliber components. In this cartridge, the bullet is a GS CUSTOM USA 34 gr solid pure copper segmented projectile. It has design aspects that are patented by GS CUSTOM USA. Please see their website at http://www.gscustomusa.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for further information. It is specifically engineered and designed by them for the 5.7x28 to achieve the highest accuracy with the bore/groove/twist specifications for this caliber.
This ammunition does not utilize reloaded brass - we use new brass. Bullet design can be used with any factory magazine.
Velocities achieved with our testing:
Fiveseven pistol - 2150 FPS
PS90 - 2825 FPS"
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GS was a contractor of mine, that is my bullet design and they have violated my NDA/NCA when I contracted them to make my bullets.
They aren't going to be around very long.
They aren't going to be around very long.
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Why would they think you would not have a problem with this?panzermk2 wrote:GS was a contractor of mine, that is my bullet design and they have violated my NDA/NCA when I contracted them to make my bullets.
They aren't going to be around very long.
The belief that they changed the design significantly enough that they could succeed possibly?
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They have not changed the design, in fact the guy running the machine right now can't program in the code that lathe uses.
He is just running the file already in the machine.
He is just running the file already in the machine.
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Damn....pretty sleazy.panzermk2 wrote:They have not changed the design, in fact the guy running the machine right now can't program in the code that lathe uses.
He is just running the file already in the machine.
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Yep.
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Keep us up to speed as it plays out, I want to see the system at work.
Edit: The name GS was ringing a bell in my head, I thought they were from South Africa? Maybe I'm getting them confused with Frontier.
Edit: The name GS was ringing a bell in my head, I thought they were from South Africa? Maybe I'm getting them confused with Frontier.
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Yes they where in SA, then they opened up a US facility and I was one of their first customers. I visited there just weeks after their first machine was delivered.
This is how I know all about them. I helped them get their second machine by committing to bullet orders so they could get financing.
The guy who created the cut file for my bullet, in the language used by the lathe, is no longer a part of GS.
This is how I know all about them. I helped them get their second machine by committing to bullet orders so they could get financing.
The guy who created the cut file for my bullet, in the language used by the lathe, is no longer a part of GS.
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Re: Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo
I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!
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You can either wonder or go look for yourself. The link is up there.bruteandbear1 wrote:I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!
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bruteandbear1 wrote:I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!
ripped off copies of my round?
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Not sure I would even consider running a knock off of this description through my gun.bruteandbear1 wrote:I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!
Might be the finest custom ammo in the world might be total crap.
Fact would always remain that they are being manufactured by sleeze balls.
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FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:
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Oldbindlestiff wrote:FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:
Funny I have the Patent on that bullet .
62/124103
http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/produc ... 50-30-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Why does their new brass look so filthy?
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:facepalm: Oops, checked the GS site. To quote W. Zevon: "...send lawyers, ..."panzermk2 wrote:Oldbindlestiff wrote:FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:
Funny I have the Patent on that bullet .
62/124103
http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/produc ... 50-30-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://youtu.be/lP5Xv7QqXiM
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Other than the maddening 74 tabs that the website opened, what am I missing?
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At the youtube link? Nothing, just an old song.
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The GS link.
I always thought it was lawyers, guns, and dynamite.
I always thought it was lawyers, guns, and dynamite.
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panzermk2 wrote:Oldbindlestiff wrote:FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:
Funny I have the Patent on that bullet .
62/124103
http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/produc ... 50-30-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dunno, Jay, Vanguard says "It is specifically engineered and designed by them" (GS).
I saw this on another forum a little while ago, keep us updated on it. And lawyer the heck out of 'em.
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That's becuase vanguard knows something is up. hell all you have to do is look at the bullet. Pictures of it are on this forum from years ago. GS is desperate for money. desprerate people do desperate things including trying to rip off a company that contacted them to make that bullet.
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There is no way that is not 1x brass. You can see the sizing ring marks at the shoulder and it's rounded not sharp like virgin brass.
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They have it in stock - http://www.vanguardoutfittersllc.com/pr ... 50-18-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I would like to see more custom 5.7 ammo available since it gets bought within minutes from Elite's site. Hopefully the copies will stop and some other companies can make some good ammo for our 5.7 x 28mm weapons.
I would like to see more custom 5.7 ammo available since it gets bought within minutes from Elite's site. Hopefully the copies will stop and some other companies can make some good ammo for our 5.7 x 28mm weapons.
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Not real smart!
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I'm going to wait for the big boys to make my self defense ammo. It want be long. Until then I'll just fire away with America Eagle. Price just keeps coming down.
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The big boys do make your SD ammo, it's called SS198, and it's all there ever has been, all there ever will be. No SAAMI, no brass, no corporate players. FN likes to wake up in the morning, shoot themselves in the foot, then have a bowl of cereal.
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Well put.DoubleJ wrote:The big boys do make your SD ammo, it's called SS198, and it's all there ever has been, all there ever will be. No SAAMI, no brass, no corporate players. FN likes to wake up in the morning, shoot themselves in the foot, then have a bowl of cereal.
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