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Vanguard Outfitters llc 5.7 Custom Ammo

Post by ewetstone » 29 Jan 2015, 19:26

Anyone have experience with their 5.7 ammo?

I just purchased a box of the V57 Prime. It has a GS CUSTOM USA 34 gr solid pure copper segmented projectile.
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Post by Buffman » 29 Jan 2015, 19:42

These look very close to a copy of EA's round. Been trying to get my hands on some..

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Post by ewetstone » 29 Jan 2015, 19:43

Buffman wrote:These look very close to a copy of EA's round. Been trying to get my hands on some..
Which of the EA ammo does this look like?

http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/catalo ... ory=104598" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They have a few others as well.

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Post by Buffman » 29 Jan 2015, 20:25

Like their old S5:

http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16450" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by ewetstone » 29 Jan 2015, 20:42

Buffman wrote:Like their old S5:

http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16450" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ok...had no idea there was litigation going on or was.

Apologies to Jay and EA for posting....again had no idea.

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Post by BadMrFrosty » 29 Jan 2015, 22:47

I bought 50 rounds of the Vanguard.

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Post by panzermk2 » 30 Jan 2015, 00:00

They have illegally copied our round and we are getting ready to sue the sh!t out of them.
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Post by Cheef » 30 Jan 2015, 18:28

Is it just me or do those cases kind of look--well--a little ruff?

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Post by DoubleJ » 30 Jan 2015, 18:34

I think I see a bit of a crimp at the top, but it doesn't look like a Lee style crimp, maybe it's from those CHD (SP!) dies?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 30 Jan 2015, 18:56

Look like 1x brass, maybe even tumbled a bit
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Post by DoubleJ » 30 Jan 2015, 20:29

I'm all for more products on the market, but if it's 1x brass, it's for the range. I want the new stuff if I need the FsN to keep me safe.

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Post by ewetstone » 30 Jan 2015, 20:38

DoubleJ wrote:I'm all for more products on the market, but if it's 1x brass, it's for the range. I want the new stuff if I need the FsN to keep me safe.
Description on website states new brass although it does appear a bit rough.

"This ammunition is manufactured by us utilizing new brass and the highest caliber components. In this cartridge, the bullet is a GS CUSTOM USA 34 gr solid pure copper segmented projectile. It has design aspects that are patented by GS CUSTOM USA. Please see their website at http://www.gscustomusa.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for further information. It is specifically engineered and designed by them for the 5.7x28 to achieve the highest accuracy with the bore/groove/twist specifications for this caliber.

This ammunition does not utilize reloaded brass - we use new brass. Bullet design can be used with any factory magazine.

Velocities achieved with our testing:

Fiveseven pistol - 2150 FPS
PS90 - 2825 FPS
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Post by panzermk2 » 30 Jan 2015, 20:47

GS was a contractor of mine, that is my bullet design and they have violated my NDA/NCA when I contracted them to make my bullets.


They aren't going to be around very long.
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Post by ewetstone » 30 Jan 2015, 20:55

panzermk2 wrote:GS was a contractor of mine, that is my bullet design and they have violated my NDA/NCA when I contracted them to make my bullets.


They aren't going to be around very long.
Why would they think you would not have a problem with this?

The belief that they changed the design significantly enough that they could succeed possibly?

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Post by panzermk2 » 30 Jan 2015, 21:02

They have not changed the design, in fact the guy running the machine right now can't program in the code that lathe uses.

He is just running the file already in the machine.
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Post by ewetstone » 30 Jan 2015, 21:07

panzermk2 wrote:They have not changed the design, in fact the guy running the machine right now can't program in the code that lathe uses.

He is just running the file already in the machine.
Damn....pretty sleazy.

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Post by panzermk2 » 30 Jan 2015, 21:10

Yep.
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Post by DoubleJ » 31 Jan 2015, 05:26

Keep us up to speed as it plays out, I want to see the system at work.

Edit: The name GS was ringing a bell in my head, I thought they were from South Africa? Maybe I'm getting them confused with Frontier.

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Post by panzermk2 » 31 Jan 2015, 12:21

Yes they where in SA, then they opened up a US facility and I was one of their first customers. I visited there just weeks after their first machine was delivered.


This is how I know all about them. I helped them get their second machine by committing to bullet orders so they could get financing.


The guy who created the cut file for my bullet, in the language used by the lathe, is no longer a part of GS.
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Post by bruteandbear1 » 31 Jan 2015, 16:59

I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!

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Post by ewetstone » 31 Jan 2015, 17:57

bruteandbear1 wrote:I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!
You can either wonder or go look for yourself. The link is up there.

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Post by panzermk2 » 31 Jan 2015, 18:02

bruteandbear1 wrote:I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!

ripped off copies of my round?
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Post by Cheef » 31 Jan 2015, 18:23

bruteandbear1 wrote:I wonder what the price on these are would love to get some!!
Not sure I would even consider running a knock off of this description through my gun.
Might be the finest custom ammo in the world might be total crap.
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Post by Oldbindlestiff » 31 Jan 2015, 19:41

FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:
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Post by panzermk2 » 31 Jan 2015, 22:37

Oldbindlestiff wrote:FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:

Funny I have the Patent on that bullet .
62/124103

http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/produc ... 50-30-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Rapier1772 » 31 Jan 2015, 23:24

Why does their new brass look so filthy?
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Post by Oldbindlestiff » 01 Feb 2015, 07:43

panzermk2 wrote:
Oldbindlestiff wrote:FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:

Funny I have the Patent on that bullet .
62/124103

http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/produc ... 50-30-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
:facepalm: Oops, checked the GS site. To quote W. Zevon: "...send lawyers, ..."

http://youtu.be/lP5Xv7QqXiM
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Post by DoubleJ » 01 Feb 2015, 10:38

Other than the maddening 74 tabs that the website opened, what am I missing?

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Post by Rapier1772 » 01 Feb 2015, 10:51

At the youtube link? Nothing, just an old song.
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Post by DoubleJ » 01 Feb 2015, 14:46

The GS link.

I always thought it was lawyers, guns, and dynamite.

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Post by PainKillaX » 01 Feb 2015, 15:29

panzermk2 wrote:
Oldbindlestiff wrote:FWIW, the link doesn't lead to knocked-off Elite ammo. Can't find it on that site. :ponder:

Funny I have the Patent on that bullet .
62/124103

http://vanguardoutfittersllc.com/produc ... 50-30-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I dunno, Jay, Vanguard says "It is specifically engineered and designed by them" (GS).

;)

I saw this on another forum a little while ago, keep us updated on it. And lawyer the heck out of 'em.

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Post by panzermk2 » 01 Feb 2015, 17:18

That's becuase vanguard knows something is up. hell all you have to do is look at the bullet. Pictures of it are on this forum from years ago. GS is desperate for money. desprerate people do desperate things including trying to rip off a company that contacted them to make that bullet.
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Post by grimmond » 01 Feb 2015, 20:00

There is no way that is not 1x brass. You can see the sizing ring marks at the shoulder and it's rounded not sharp like virgin brass.
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Post by jckilla » 18 Apr 2015, 06:17

They have it in stock - http://www.vanguardoutfittersllc.com/pr ... 50-18-1476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I would like to see more custom 5.7 ammo available since it gets bought within minutes from Elite's site. Hopefully the copies will stop and some other companies can make some good ammo for our 5.7 x 28mm weapons.

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Not real smart!

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Post by jobrando » 01 Jul 2015, 15:26

I'm going to wait for the big boys to make my self defense ammo. It want be long. Until then I'll just fire away with America Eagle. Price just keeps coming down.

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Post by DoubleJ » 01 Jul 2015, 18:55

The big boys do make your SD ammo, it's called SS198, and it's all there ever has been, all there ever will be. No SAAMI, no brass, no corporate players. FN likes to wake up in the morning, shoot themselves in the foot, then have a bowl of cereal.

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Post by blueorison » 01 Jul 2015, 19:20

DoubleJ wrote:The big boys do make your SD ammo, it's called SS198, and it's all there ever has been, all there ever will be. No SAAMI, no brass, no corporate players. FN likes to wake up in the morning, shoot themselves in the foot, then have a bowl of cereal.
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