**Buffman (& Greenberg's) Official FsN Body Armor Barrage**

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**Buffman (& Greenberg's) Official FsN Body Armor Barrage**

Post by ShockedNKansas » 29 Jul 2012, 01:29

FNH SS197SR 40gr V-Max


Level II Body Armor: Penetrated 9 layers






American Eagle 40gr TMJ


Level II Body Armor: Complete penetration




Level IIIA Body Armor: Penetrated 16 layers






FNH SS195LF 28gr JHP


Level II Body Armor: Complete penetration






FNH SS198LF 28gr JHP


Level IIIA Body Armor: Penetrated 20 layers






FNH SS190AP 31gr FMJ


Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration of three body armor panels






FNH SB193 Subsonic 55gr FMJ


Level II Body Armor: Complete penetration




Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration






EA S4M 28gr JHP


Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration




Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration




Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration






EA T6 PFP 28gr JHP


Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration




Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration






EA ProtecTOR 40gr V-Max


Level II Body Armor: Complete penetration




Level IIIA Body Armor: Penetrated 15 layers






EA ProtecTOR II 50gr


Level II Body Armor: Complete penetration






EA ProtecTOR IV 55gr Nosler


Level II Body Armor: Penetrated 17 layers






EA PenetraTOR 55gr


Level II Body Armor: Complete penetration






EA VarminTOR 30gr Match Grade FB Varmint


Level IIIA Body Armor: Complete penetration

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Re: **Buffman's Official FsN Body Armor Barrage**

Post by ShockedNKansas » 29 Jul 2012, 01:32

All of Buffman's hard work deserves a showcase in an easy to access format. As more tests are conducted, I will update the front page. Thanks Buffman!

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Post by dhpierre » 29 Jul 2012, 01:37

I agree. Great work Buffman.

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Post by Valorius » 21 Aug 2012, 05:22

Here are the Five SeveN body armor tests i did, so we have them all in one thread together:
(My videos are not as nice as Buffman's, but they do support his conclusions, and test some rounds against IIIA armor that he tested against II)

SS192, Elite Pro I, Elite Pro II, and Elite S4M vs IIIA vest:




SS197SR vs IIIA:



SS195LF Blue Box vs IIIA:



Elite S4M and Win SXT 9mm control rd vs IIIA:



In my tests, i got the following results:

SS197SR- 10 layers penetration on a 12 layer IIA panel with an index finger sized protrusion from rear fired from unthreaded FsN. This amount of penetration was mimicked in another test i performed against a Safariland IIIA vest with ballistic stab protector pad. The IIIA vest showed no appreciable backface deformation.

SS195LF Blue Box- Complete penetration of a 25 layer Safariland IIIA vest with ballistic stab backer (the backer in this vest has stopped 10mm 180gr JHP all by itself) using threaded FsN.

SS192- Complete penetration of same Safariland IIIA vest with both threaded and unthreaded barrel test shots on different days. Total penetration appears to be about 30 layers, plus the ballistic stab backer.

Elite S4M- Almost shot clean through BOTH panels of same Safariland IIIA vest, with total penetration of 49 layers of kevlar and a ballistic stab backer.

Elite Pro I- failed to penetrate same Safariland IIIA

Elite Pro II- failed to penetrate same Safariland IIIA

This same Safariland IIIA vest was also tested against, and defeated, a 12 ga .50 cal solid copper 1oz sabot slug, a .500 S&W 350gr JHP, all kinds of 9mm including an 80gr+P SCHP fired from a 16" carbine, as well as numerous 10mm's and .45 acp.

The only round to penetrate it besides 5.7x28mm 28gr OTM (which penetrates on every shot from a threaded FsN, regardless of the variant type) was Buffalo Bore 9mm+P+ hardcast lead core non expanding montana gold match hollowpoint ammunition. Adv velocity 1425fps, adv energy 515 fpe.

I have videos for almost all of these tests.

Conclusion: Any version of 28gr OTM will defeat a IIIA vest when fired from a threaded FsN. SS192 and 198 and 195 White Box and Elite S4M will defeat even a superior IIIA vest, such as the safariland I tested, which, because of it's ballistic stab protector (which catches lots of bullets in it's own right, even if you flip the vest around and shoot it from the wearers side), actually offers a good deal more protection than a typical IIIA vest does.

Further conclusion:

No expanding 5.7mm round that i have tested will defeat a IIIA vest with ballistic stab protection. I know Buffman has shot Clark Custom 30gr JHP through a IIIA, but i don't know if it had a ballistic rated stab protector. Most vests do not.

Note: None of my tests used a trauma, or SAPI plate of any kind. With even a non ballistic-ally rated trauma plate in place, penetration levels for all rounds are significantly reduced.

Finally, in other tests, i have shot Elite S4M through up to 1/2" thick ballistic rated fiberglass plate. However, 9/16" fiberglass plate (rated to stop .30 carbine rifle fire) stops S4M with very minimal backface deformation.
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Post by retro02 » 21 Aug 2012, 13:28

Thanks man!
Very interested.

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Post by The Reca » 31 Aug 2012, 06:02

This is great information and I highly appreciate everyone's input as well as taking the time & money to go out and conduct all of these tests. I look forward to more comparisons. I personally would like to do some tests with bullet penetration out of a 16" AR57. Only thing holding me back at the moment is the finances to buy the ammo and vests. Maybe I can convince a few buddies to chip in and make a day of it.

Keep the info flowing!

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 31 Aug 2012, 10:58

The Reca wrote:This is great information and I highly appreciate everyone's input as well as taking the time & money to go out and conduct all of these tests. I look forward to more comparisons. I personally would like to do some tests with bullet penetration out of a 16" AR57. Only thing holding me back at the moment is the finances to buy the ammo and vests. Maybe I can convince a few buddies to chip in and make a day of it.

Keep the info flowing!
I might be able to save you some time. Everything should penetrate fully out of a 16" AR-57 except for perhaps the SS197 which should fragment wildly at AR-57 speeds.

If you want to buy some inexpensive test panels look here:

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Body_Armor ... LIST.shtml

Scroll down to "police surplus" and then "panels for test shooting."

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 31 Aug 2012, 11:11

You can get a 6"x14" level IIIa panel for $40 there. I got 2 of them for my T6 tests next week. Won't be using my AR57 though, it's a 12" SBR - will just be testing it out of my FsN. Ballistic gelatin & clay blocks will be used.
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Post by Buffman » 31 Aug 2012, 11:22

I hope to test the new T6 this weekend.. Hopefully!

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 31 Aug 2012, 11:28

Buffman wrote:I hope to test the new T6 this weekend.. Hopefully!
Is this a race to see who's video goes up first (mine will be on youtube mid next week)? :laugh:
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Post by blueorison » 31 Aug 2012, 11:58

"Is this a race to see who's video goes up first (mine will be on youtube mid next week)"

- Greenberg
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Post by Buffman » 31 Aug 2012, 12:11

jgreenberg01 wrote:
Buffman wrote:I hope to test the new T6 this weekend.. Hopefully!
Is this a race to see who's video goes up first (mine will be on youtube mid next week)? :laugh:

you probably already have your ammo, I don't :(

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 31 Aug 2012, 12:12

I do, but it takes 3 days to cook the gelatin blocks and I am starting that process tonight. The earliest I can do the tests is next Tuesday.
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Post by Buffman » 31 Aug 2012, 15:25

I just plan on simple velocity tests, water jug tests, and maybe a vest test. My major plan this weekend is testing SS190 vs a pork shoulder :)

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Post by blacklabelop » 31 Aug 2012, 17:06

I can get you some more lvl 3 small panels..

For a price (. :

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Post by ShockedNKansas » 31 Aug 2012, 18:52

Buffman wrote:I just plan on simple velocity tests, water jug tests, and maybe a vest test. My major plan this weekend is testing SS190 vs a pork shoulder :)
You must shoot it through some panels so I can add it to your "Official Barrage" page. I predict it goes through at least 3 panels. Do you have any left that aren't completely shot up?

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 31 Aug 2012, 18:54

Don't worry, that's what I will be doing...
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Post by ShockedNKansas » 31 Aug 2012, 19:17

Ok sweet! :thumb:

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Post by Buffman » 31 Aug 2012, 21:22

ShockedNKansas wrote:
Buffman wrote:I just plan on simple velocity tests, water jug tests, and maybe a vest test. My major plan this weekend is testing SS190 vs a pork shoulder :)
You must shoot it through some panels so I can add it to your "Official Barrage" page. I predict it goes through at least 3 panels. Do you have any left that aren't completely shot up?

I have some with one or two shots in them, that I could make work :)

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Post by jgreenberg01 » 01 Sep 2012, 04:51

Spent the last night cooking 3 20lb blocks of ballistic gelatin. Now they sit in the firdge for 3 days.

By the way, for anyone who has never made gel blocks, while they're cooking, they smell like a$$...
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