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Price is right. Are the uppers the same?

I definitely like that price. I'm really excited about this to come out. You'd have to count me in for one.

It's nice to see a slew of new options.

Wow, I'm liking the pricing on these.

Please keep us posted when you start shipping these to distributers. I'll start putting a bug in Ron Shirk's ear that we'll be wanting some of these.

Great job guys.

Need any testers?

I suspect they'll rather rapidly dominate the market with the price structure.

so tacticool it hurts, but i still like them

Again thanks for all the interest!

We updated our website this morning under the new products category.
there is a downloadable tech sheet also available.

Some of you have asked if the uppers are interchangeable.
The X series models are not built like a AR where you can change them out.

I have been in contact an we are getting all the info on becoming a sponsor of this website

THANKS!
EXCEL ARMS

Any chrony data out of the pistols? Any chance they can be offered threade from the factory?

Can we see some videos?

Wow good Prices! You guys have done some hard work. :clap: Congrats to you all! Do you have any you tube video up on the firearms yet? I would love to see those guys in action :guns:

I was wondering, what sort of pressures can these guns handle in comparison to FsN/PS90/AR57/TC? I'd be very interested in seeing any data, and I'm sure our handloaders would be as well.

Wow, very cool. Hopefully this will get the 5.7 a little more main stream.
What is the twist rate on the barrel? I assume 1 in 9.
I was planning on getting a keltec pmr30 but might just have to get one of those MP5-7 pistols instead. Or both. :laugh:

Videos will be posted soon.. Yes the barrel twist is 1 in 9..

Thanks!
Excel Arms

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :agree: :agree: WOOOOW!!!! I want one I will be placing an order for one. Plus the price is right.

txsccc wrote:On a much more practical level, I would definitely like to see a stand alone upper that can use a standard AR15 lower and either a magwell block for this mag type, or a new style of magazine that fits the regular AR-15 magwell.

Hello guys and gals.
I am new to this forum so pardon me for revisiting this , I am very interested in the 5.7 round but have not built/purchased an AR57 upper because of the odd top loading mag method. Are there any thoughts of having a standard upper chambered in 5.7 built using the standard magwell?
I contacted a couple 5.7 manufacturers and got a reply from one, Excel Arms, they were very fast to reply (which was a suprise). Unfortunately they responded with "At this time we do not have any plans for a 5.7 upper to fit the AR platform, But you never know what will come up next! Thanks for the interest.."

Any thoughts?

Yea I'm interested, but I would much prefer if if the X models used FSN mags. I have enough of those, and going directly from pistol to rifle would be awesome.

Glad to see y'all are now forum supporters! WELCOME!

Now, who's gonna be the guinea pig?

ynoty3k wrote:Glad to see y'all are now forum supporters! WELCOME!

Now, who's gonna be the guinea pig?

You sign the check, I'll pull the trigger

I will have one when they start production in January. :thumb:

jmz5 wrote:I will have one when they start production in January. :thumb:

Shut it. :p

What does Cyberfly say? It's good to be the King? Well, some of the time anyway, most of the time I have to deal with the court jesters. :laugh:

There are two weapons I'd like to see chambered in the 5.7x28...

*A competitor to the HK MP7 chambered in the BETTER 5.7x28. i.e. a sub-subgun with vertical mag. Sell it as a pistol and SBR-it to get the foregrip on the front and stock. The AR-pistol that EXCEL makes doesn't seem like it fits into this category, it would need a TRUE telescoping stock and much shorter barrel and different operating system.

*A small, lightweight bolt-action rifle with heavy varmit barrel that can exploit the full potential of the round. .17hmr what?

I would like a gas operated gun, that way us reloaders can use some slower powders to get some of the heavier weight bullets moving out pretty good. I would LOVE to have a barrel, bolt, and magazine for a desert eagle. I think that would be frickin sweet.

A small bolt gun would be neat too. If I could get one close the size/weight of my .17hmr savage I would probably sell the .17hmr :laugh: . (Lies, I would never sell a gun )

/end highjack

I do plan to pick up one of these pistols some time next year.

I'm thinking an X-5.7R is in my near future. Great looking gun, and I'm still trying to save up to get myself into the 5.7...

VeTTeMaNC486 wrote: A small bolt gun would be neat too. If I could get one close the size/weight of my .17hmr savage I would probably sell the .17hmr :laugh: . (Lies, I would never sell a gun )

/end highjack

Like this? It's a Savage as well.
http://www.thegunsource.com/item/500158" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... BL_Sy.aspx

I like the looks of these, but I would have preferred one with more of a delayed blowback action. I'm not sure that this design would handle the 17 cal wildcats on this case - like the 17 Velociraptor.

Excel Arms wrote:THANKS FOR ALL THE INTREST!!

EXCEL ARMS will be introducing the new products at the 2010 NASGW show next week..

The X SERIES line magazines have a capacity of 25 Rounds or a 10 Round.
X-5.7P Retail is $715.00 (BASIC)
X-5.7R Retail is $795.00 (BASIC)

ACCELERATOR line has a 9 round capacity do to fitting this cal. into a existing format.
MP-5.7 Retail is $585.00 (BASIC)
MR-5.7 Retail is $640.00 (BASIC)

Are the magazines for the X-5.7R and P versions available for sale at this time? If so, who would I contact? It's good to see another 5.7 rifle and pistol manufacturer.

I already have an Accelerator Rifle chambered in .22 WMR can i convert it to the 5.7x28mm and roughly how much would it cost if it were possible ? I fear that the magazine well on the black polymer lower of my current .22WMR Accelerator rifle is to narrow to accommodate the New 5.7x28mm magazine.

Well I talked to Richard today.

A nice cross section of EA ammo is on the way for testing.

We have built a new magazine for our ACCELERATOR SERIES 5.7x28mm line, Along with making all the necessary changes to accommodate a centerfire round. It would not be feasible to convert the MR-22 to the MR-5.7

EXCEL ARMS

I'm excited to hear results on the EA+EA. Who knows what Jay could cook up...

Should get my Excel MP-17 Friday and if it shoots as well as people say, I will be standing in line for an MP-5.7 when they are available. All the information I can get says these things are tack drivers in .17 HMR. If so, I'll be looking forward to the extra zip of the 5.7 as well as the ability to reload.

Excel Arms wrote:We have built a new magazine for our ACCELERATOR SERIES 5.7x28mm line, Along with making all the necessary changes to accommodate a centerfire round. It would not be feasible to convert the MR-22 to the MR-5.7

EXCEL ARMS

Thanks for the info about the MR-22 converison idea i agree it wouldn't be very practical. About the Model X-5.7R will it have some type of bull barrel or possibly a chrome lined barrel ?

The X Series have a barrel dia. of .625 and our ACCELERATOR'S have a barrel dia. of .875

Excel Arms wrote:The X Series have a barrel dia. of .625 and our ACCELERATOR'S have a barrel dia. of .875

Hello again thankyou for the quick reply. When will the MR-5.7 be available to the general public for sale i am very interested in purchasing the MR-5.7 rifle as soon as possible thanks.

That ACCELERATOR Rifle gives me a warm feeling...............

When do these come out lol I need a new varmint rifle

I just thought of this when my fiancee said she wants the mr rifle is 17, are u going to offer a conversion, or make me buy 2 rifles?

When making all the necessary changes to accommodate a centerfire round into our MR line, It would not be feasible to convert the MR-17 to the MR-5.7..

All of our production 5.7 models will be available in January..

Thanks to all the guys that have placed orders already!

We are taking orders now and the list is growing fast!

EXCEL ARMS

Can't wait to get my hands on one!

any chance of you all making a bull barrel version of the X series down the road? i really like both rifles, and would love to have the bull barrel, but higher capacity is a big factor to me. that or any chance of a higher cap mag for the accelerator?

Finally got a chance to try out my new Excel MP-17 (Accelerator) which is the basis for one of the new 5.7's they are coming out with - thought you guys might want to know what I thought. The pistol is very well made and heavy. I have only put about 50 rounds through so far so take all of what I say with a grain of salt. Not feeding well yet but getting better so I don't think that will be a problem once I have fired some more rounds to break everything in. As far as shooting the pistol, two words come to mind - amazing and disappointing. Accuracy potential of this pistol is amazing. I believe it has the potential to be one of the most accurate pistols and by far the most accurate semi-auto I have ever fired. The disappointing comes in relationship to the trigger. It is the roughest stiffest most awful I have ever pulled. Remember, I only have just under 50 rounds down the pipe so far and should get better, but my Kel-Tec DAO's have better triggers and they are awful. Part of the reason there are so few rounds down the pipe is because I couldn't pull that trigger anymore. Bottom line - these guns have the potential to be great, but mine is ruined by a trigger that is (thus far) atrocious. Again - remember - less than 50 rounds fired so far. Will let you all know what I find as I shoot it more.

Very cool

Anyway to put a find out how many lbs it breaks at? I know my 10/22 breaks at 10lbs and that's too heavy for mme to wanna ttry any accuracy shooting

Wish I had a scale to try it. Took it out yesterday to try to get some more rounds through and quit from hand fatigue after 1 magazine.

wahlspyder wrote:Wish I had a scale to try it. Took it out yesterday to try to get some more rounds through and quit from hand fatigue after 1 magazine.

Interesting maybe EA should look into trigger on the Excel system like we do on the FsN. These are all early production guns though and that might have something to do with it. Also takes at least 300 rounds to break a gun in it might/should get better.

wahlspyder,

If you would like for us to take a look at your trigger we can get you a RA number for return shipment.. Normally there is not an issue with the trigger pull, It should be around 4 to 5 lbs..

or you can call us at 1-909-627-2404

THANKS!
EXCEL ARMS

Well there you go.

4-5lb trigger should be just fine for most people ....of course there are always people that like to tweak it and make it even better though

Well, Its nowhere near 4-5 lbs, but I haven't gotten through the recommended break-in either. Sounds like one way or another I'm going to have a good shooter though whether the trigger loosens up on its own or the good people at Excel take care of it.

Any updates on the new models? I am anxious.

Hello we are finishing up some magazine tooling on the new models.. Still January seems to be the month of production availability!

We did have a great response to the new 5.7 line at our NASGW show last month, And our wholesalers already have placed orders for them. We will be attending ELLETT's and CAMFOUR's dealer shows next month, and invite anyone that is attending these shows to come by our booth and say Hi and view our new products!


Thanks to Elite Ammunition for sending some of their ammo! Cant wait to see how it performs in our line.. :guns:

Can't wait to get my hands on one of these!!

Excel Arms wrote:Hello we are finishing up some magazine tooling on the new models.. Still January seems to be the month of production availability!

We did have a great response to the new 5.7 line at our NASGW show last month, And our wholesalers already have placed orders for them. We will be attending ELLETT's and CAMFOUR's dealer shows next month, and invite anyone that is attending these shows to come by our booth and say Hi and view our new products!


Thanks to Elite Ammunition for sending some of their ammo! Cant wait to see how it performs in our line.. :guns:

Well, they'll perform SUPER. But when you send EA (and me) some guns, then we can test them for you and when EA comes out with their tuned loads for the bbl length....

watch out....

hm. Come to think about it I wouldn't mind using one at a match to give it a TRUE test of how it runs, no range plinking involved. Just run and gun. Just wanted people to see how cool the EA ringer T's are

That's EA at the Carbine match.

You dick, gimme that RFB

Update on Excel arms accelerator (.17HMR version)

Had reported on early heavy trigger and jamming from top half of the magazine. Happy to say that after firing a few more break in rounds, cleaning thoroughly, and oiling trigger group with synthetic oil all is well and the pistol is every bit as accurate as i'd hoped.

any updates on the 5.7 models?

Lobo

"In those days, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry
creatures from Alpha Centauri were REAL small furry creatures from Alpha
Centauri"

A CX4 type carbine that uses the standard FsN 20 round mags would be awesome. (And there are easy upgrades to make it a 30 rounder, or more.)

The AR style setup is nice too, as many are used to that platform, and can go from using a 9mm AR carbine to the 5.7x28 to keep carry rounds the same if using the FsN pistol for duty carry for example. (One of the things I love about the CX4 is the 92 mags from the pistol fit the carbine, and large capacity mags fit either as well.)

These appear to be very nice options, especially for the prices!

If the thumbhole stock'd setup used the FsN mags, that's it right there. 16.1" stainless fluted bull, and if I can be so bold, back up sights built into the optics mounting rail. (Peep type, under the mount, sure the sight radius is short, but they are only back up sights, and any holo type, or red dot can be mounted above it.)

It would be an awesome back up/truck weapon for duty carry.

Adjuster wrote:A CX4 type carbine that uses the standard FsN 20 round mags would be awesome. (And there are easy upgrades to make it a 30 rounder, or more.)

The AR style setup is nice too, as many are used to that platform, and can go from using a 9mm AR carbine to the 5.7x28 to keep carry rounds the same if using the FsN pistol for duty carry for example. (One of the things I love about the CX4 is the 92 mags from the pistol fit the carbine, and large capacity mags fit either as well.)

These appear to be very nice options, especially for the prices!

If the thumbhole stock'd setup used the FsN mags, that's it right there. 16.1" stainless fluted bull, and if I can be so bold, back up sights built into the optics mounting rail. (Peep type, under the mount, sure the sight radius is short, but they are only back up sights, and any holo type, or red dot can be mounted above it.)

It would be an awesome back up/truck weapon for duty carry.

:agree:

The last I heard these were supposed to be out in January. Has anyone got one yet?

that's what I was sort of asking in my post.... :ponder:

Lobo
Enlisted men are stupid but extremely cunning and sly and bear considerable
watching
- Army Officers Guide 1894

Hello..

Sorry for the slow response...

Our production is progressing a little slower then planned.. Not any problems with the guns just not enough time in the day.. But I can assure everyone we will be shipping soon!

Also wanted to let everyone know we have added a Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/page ... 4571924529 so come check us out!

EXCEL ARMS

Dieing to do some testing!

Any word as to when these will be ready to ship?

Emailed Exel this morning to see if I could get an update on when their 5.7 chambered line might be available. The pistols and rifles both look very interesting to me. I can't understand what is taking so long when there are so many interested parties. I'll let you guys know if I get any kind of response from them.

I realize it's been over a year. Makes me wonder about management or finances in these difficult times.

Keep in mind they where moving and setting up another shop in another state.

It also appears that the Accelerator rifle/pistol are gone from the lineup, just leaving the X series.

Seems their 17hmr version of the accelerator too is gone. I talked at great length with a local shop owner who said he had never gotten it to work right, sent it back and forth over 3x to no avail. He was a gunsmith himself, but didn't want to tinker too heavily being that it was still brand spankin new.

Rimfires are much harder to make work then centerfire.

sib1948 wrote:Emailed Exel this morning to see if I could get an update on when their 5.7 chambered line might be available. The pistols and rifles both look very interesting to me. I can't understand what is taking so long when there are so many interested parties. I'll let you guys know if I get any kind of response from them.

Sorry for delay in reponding to your email. I will say that the ACCELERATOR SERIES is now shipping with the X-SERIES soon to follow. We started shipping models: MR-5.7 (RIFLES) first and are now shipping pistols.

jmz5 wrote:Any word as to when these will be ready to ship?

Your on the top of my list! I appreciate your patience.

ynoty3k wrote:It also appears that the Accelerator rifle/pistol are gone from the lineup, just leaving the X series.
Seems their 17hmr version of the accelerator too is gone. I talked at great length with a local shop owner who said he had never gotten it to work right, sent it back and forth over 3x to no avail. He was a gunsmith himself, but didn't want to tinker too heavily being that it was still brand spankin new.

We have not removed the ACCELERATOR SERIES from our line. We have stopped producing 17HMR models due to the inconsistent ammo. ACCELERATOR SERIES is available in 22WMR and now 5.7x28mm which is going very strong!

panzermk2 wrote:Rimfires are much harder to make work then centerfire.

THANKS FOR ANSWERING SOME QUESTIONS!

Can a fixed length AR style buttstock, i.e. an A2 be fitted to an X-5.7 rifle? I'm not a big fan of the telescoping stocks and I think putting a fixed stock on this rifle would be a great idea. I might be the only one who thinks so but to each their own right?

Yes.. A fixed or folding stock can be used.

does anyone own one of these rifles?

I do "Bear", I have the accelerator chambered in 5.7x28mm, bought it a couple of months ago, haven't even gotten it through the break-in period yet and its already broken the internal bolt/buffer. In fact, have called/left messages for Excel several times without a return call. Not sure whats up with that but not very good business in my eyes. I'd be eager to speak with a representative of theirs if one of them reads this?? :-)

Excel MP-5.7 Review
All, this is my first post here, and I would like to recount for you my success with a fine Excel Arms product, the MP-5.7. I would like to do this….I would also like to have hair, but that isn’t happening either. Let me jump right into it.

I returned from Afghanistan in early 2014, and decided I wanted to purchase a 5.7 chambered pistol. The Excel looked like a bargain, and the longer bull barrel promised an increased velocity. I shopped gunbroker, and eventually struck a deal in November for just under $600.00, including the FFL transfer and shipping.
The pistol arrived shortly after, and in December, I went to the range with my new acquisition to take the measure of the pistol. This was somewhat curtailed by the minor fact that the pistol DID NOT FIRE. Not only did this new, out of the box pistol not fire, it did not even show a primer strike in several dozen attempts. I have purchased 110 year old Colts, new pistols from Kel-Tec to Sig and have never, ever, had a turd out of the box, but I surely had one now.
I went on to the Excel website, and contacted them immediately…..nothing. I waited a month, and repeated the procedure…nothing. I called, and was trapped in the hell of endless phone message, so I wrote again, and on 21 May 2015, I received the following response:
“Hello – Sorry to hear about your trouble.

Can you check to be sure the screws, specifically the rear screw on the top of the pistol rib is snug down tight with the allen Hex wrench.
The screws can become loose and this will cause malfunctions. They need to be kept snug down tight.

If after you have checked the screws, then you can send the firearm into us to check out for you.
Your Return Authorization number is RA# XXXXX.
Ship it to our address listed below. Do not include any live rounds, but do include your magazines.
Please fill out the warranty card and send it in to activate the warranty.

Thanks.
Kathy”

While not exactly pleased with being told to repair my own firearm before sending it in, I tried it, no joy. I whipped the pistol to Excel Arms, which Fed Ex (on my dime) confirmed arrived on 29 May 2015.
Insert long pause of hearing nothing here, not even an email confirming receipt.

I wrote an email to Kathy on 01 June (no response) and a second on 10 July 2015, which stated the following:
“Second Inquiry (first un-responded) as to the status of my pistol. I am becoming....concerned.”
On 12 July 2015, I received the following reply”
“Hello,

The firearm is here. I will get back to you on Monday or Tuesday to advise.
Thanks,
Kathy”

Since then (it is now the early hours of 18 July 2015) I have not heard a word, through any of the vast communications options available. I have no pistol, no $600.00 and even if I received the item back tomorrow, it would be forever stained in my mind by indifferent and slipshod construction, followed by perversely bad customer service. This is a firearm, a somewhat serious product, and this bunch seems to care about neither their customers nor their reputation.

So I am posting here, and to every related discussion board I can find. Please consider my experience with the Excel Arms MP-5.7 before you purchase this shiny doorstop. The typical negative customer service experience gets related between 11 and 20 times, I am going to try to better this number, and perhaps in doing so can create pressure on Excel Arms to better their customer focus.

Respectfully,
WMD (CIB, Purple Heart)

I consider mine a $600.00 suppository.

24 July 2015.....still silent

I will wait for user reviews. Then maybe?

I seem to be the only person who has one that functions.

The question I have is how Excel not be aware of the impact of this issue on their reputation in the firearms community? And knowing they have serious credibility issues, can decline to engage to improve their bottom line?

Personally I will not stop until my issue has been addressed. I consider the current situation to be theft. I am out $600 and if I add the shipping of this pistol to Excel, $670 or so. I am going to recoup this cost, through either resolution of the issue, reimbursement of my costs, or impact on their bottom line. It bothers me that the situation is thus, but it was not my failure to pay, or my failure to trust in their product which caused the issue. The issue was caused by their apparent disregard for the most basic criteria of customer service: communication.

The People's Republic of California ia partly responsible for the 9 round magazine limit these guys have.

Give them time to add mags with 20 and 30 rounds to make folks like me here in Neveda drool over their guns.

You are going to be waiting a long time, last time excel has been active here was about 3 years ago.

They could have knocked it out of the park and cornered the market.

These are not real common rifles or pistols. In some cases they are priced similar to AR's in 5.7X28mm but with a small magazine. Looking at Gunwatcher.com, there is nothing with major dealers.

Add to this, few if any user reports or range reports. I don't trust most gun writers to be objective.

For now, I am not at all interested. This is a shame in that they have missed a superb opportunity, especially with this group.

Yep.

Seriously considering bandsawing mine up into little pieces with S/N legible and sending it to EA HQ.

LOL well you don't have to cut it up to send to us. If it's that band you can transfer it to me and I can destroy it.

panzermk2 wrote:LOL well you don't have to cut it up to send to us. If it's that band you can transfer it to me and I can destroy it.

Hrmmm.......have a trade in mind?

I'd buy a pistol in .22 WMR if the barrel were, say, 5 or 6 inches. Eight inches for a .22 WRM pistol barrel is a bit too long for my taste. But the price is OK.

Eric B.