5.7 round for home defense
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5.7 round for home defense
I'm new to the forum and am very interested in the FN 5.7 pistol as a self defense-home defense gun. My wife is very recoil sensitive and my favorite 50 caliber thermonuclear hand cannon will simply not work for her. The 5.7 round may do the trick but the internet shows that there are many detractors out there that dismiss the round as simply a tricked out 22 magnum.
I really need some good ballistic info on the round out of the FN 5.7 pistol. Are there data out there on real world shootings which show that this round works? Are there some ballisitics tests that confirm the rounds' effectiveness on soft targets?...please let me know-I want a good tool, not a plinker.
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I really need some good ballistic info on the round out of the FN 5.7 pistol. Are there data out there on real world shootings which show that this round works? Are there some ballisitics tests that confirm the rounds' effectiveness on soft targets?...please let me know-I want a good tool, not a plinker.
Thanks,
Shamrock :ponder:
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welcome to the forum.
Take some time looking around this forum. There is plenty of options out there.
Elite ammunition is the way to go.
http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=632" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Penetration videos (no not porn)
http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=828" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
description of some EA (Elite ammo) stuff.
Most EA rounds go above 2000fps and have 350 ft lbs. Which is double the velocity of most pistol bullets and comparable in regards to ft. lbs of energy.
20rds also helps.
Take some time looking around this forum. There is plenty of options out there.
Elite ammunition is the way to go.
http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=632" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Penetration videos (no not porn)
http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=828" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
description of some EA (Elite ammo) stuff.
Most EA rounds go above 2000fps and have 350 ft lbs. Which is double the velocity of most pistol bullets and comparable in regards to ft. lbs of energy.
20rds also helps.
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Most of the negative comparisons to the 22 magnum neglect to mention that they're comparing 22WMR rifles to the FiveseveN pistol.
They also conveniently forget all of the reasons why rimfire cartridges are not preferred for defensive arms, but cite the lack of military use of the 22WMR as evidence "proving" their point.
Here's some basic info: http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=267" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And some gel/meat results: http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=57" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There have been real-world shootings but I'll let those who were participants speak of their experiences.
Most of the negative comparisons to the 22 magnum neglect to mention that they're comparing 22WMR rifles to the FiveseveN pistol.
They also conveniently forget all of the reasons why rimfire cartridges are not preferred for defensive arms, but cite the lack of military use of the 22WMR as evidence "proving" their point.
Here's some basic info: http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=267" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And some gel/meat results: http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=57" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There have been real-world shootings but I'll let those who were participants speak of their experiences.
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Re: 5.7 round for home defense
Before this forum crashed, back in August, there were pictures of a man who shot 200+ wild boars using his fiveseven pistol.
If I remember correctly the gentleman's screen name was "trashwood"
He was in Texas and he mad a very close and well aimed shot at the kill zone. The boar ran 50 yards or so and died.
He had pictures posted as well.
Hopes this helps some. Unfortunately the pictues are gone. Hopefully this Trashwood will comeback and post his trohy again...
If I remember correctly the gentleman's screen name was "trashwood"
He was in Texas and he mad a very close and well aimed shot at the kill zone. The boar ran 50 yards or so and died.
He had pictures posted as well.
Hopes this helps some. Unfortunately the pictues are gone. Hopefully this Trashwood will comeback and post his trohy again...
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Hell the reg ammo from FN is not something I'd like to get shot with! and as far as the 20rd mags-screw it it's for home defense so get the mag extenders and give her 30rds and a couple spare mags....if ANYTHING survives that I'd be calling the army :huh:
One thing this gun is NOT and that is a .22 anything rimfire.
And do check out the Elite ammo,I've not bought any but it looks good.
Only one downside to the 5.7 as a home defense round:Muzzle blast I'd really,really hate to think what that'd be like in an enclosed space.
One thing this gun is NOT and that is a .22 anything rimfire.
And do check out the Elite ammo,I've not bought any but it looks good.
Only one downside to the 5.7 as a home defense round:Muzzle blast I'd really,really hate to think what that'd be like in an enclosed space.
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Krull wrote:Hell the reg ammo from FN is not something I'd like to get shot with! and as far as the 20rd mags-screw it it's for home defense so get the mag extenders and give her 30rds and a couple spare mags....if ANYTHING survives that I'd be calling the army :huh:
One thing this gun is NOT and that is a .22 anything rimfire.
And do check out the Elite ammo,I've not bought any but it looks good.
Only one downside to the 5.7 as a home defense round:Muzzle blast I'd really,really hate to think what that'd be like in an enclosed space.
Under fight/flight stress you will not see the flash or even hear the gun go off.
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but you will get tunnel vision. :guns:
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No shit, the first time I ever got it it was freaky. Instead of the sides of the tunnel being black like I would have thought My tunnel sides were all severe fun house mirror like reflections of what was at the center visible termination point of my tunnel.
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Hn-I figgered as much,never had to defend myslef but it's the same when you hunt:panzermk2 wrote:Krull wrote:Hell the reg ammo from FN is not something I'd like to get shot with! and as far as the 20rd mags-screw it it's for home defense so get the mag extenders and give her 30rds and a couple spare mags....if ANYTHING survives that I'd be calling the army :huh:
One thing this gun is NOT and that is a .22 anything rimfire.
And do check out the Elite ammo,I've not bought any but it looks good.
Only one downside to the 5.7 as a home defense round:Muzzle blast I'd really,really hate to think what that'd be like in an enclosed space.
Under fight/flight stress you will not see the flash or even hear the gun go off.
you don't really hear the gun go off and stuff happens,then you try to shoot the gun without ear protection to see what it's like and your like "damn that sonofabitch is loud!"
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Those responses can be tamed over time luckily. My first time round it was really bad, tunnel vision, delayed sound response and a headache afterwards from the adrenaline. This last time there was no tunnel vision, sound response delay was minimal, I'd say in the miliseconds, and adrenaline was pretty minimal. My tunnel vision is actually almost exactly like the tunnel vision produced in most racing games where everything streaks back from the visible area like the image is getting dragged out.
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Tunnel vision + adrenaline = why I bought a Taurus 45/410 Judge for home defense for my wife. It resides in the nightstand and is basically a bodyguard (if I'm not around) to get her to the double barrel 12 and/or the AR. I love my FiveseveN, but I carry a .45 and at home, I keep pistols to get me to the rifles. :guns:
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Those taurus are so much fun. I've been hit by rocksalt out of 410 shells from one and damn that hurt. The spray pattern was so much wider than from a shotgun it didn't have as much punch to it but, it really spread the pain. I haven't gotten one yet but, think I might have to soon.
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Here's some "judge" info.
Taurus is awesome!!!
Here's some "judge" info.
Taurus is awesome!!!
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ArtosDracon wrote:Those responses can be tamed over time luckily. My first time round it was really bad, tunnel vision, delayed sound response and a headache afterwards from the adrenaline. This last time there was no tunnel vision, sound response delay was minimal, I'd say in the miliseconds, and adrenaline was pretty minimal. My tunnel vision is actually almost exactly like the tunnel vision produced in most racing games where everything streaks back from the visible area like the image is getting dragged out.
Sounds like mine was, fun house mirror like. It has gotten very minimal though the older I get also.
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:skep: Awesome huh? :skep: I guess I have to sell my Judge and carry ONLY my 5.7 :laugh: - I'll have to go out and do some tests of my own. I am firmly of the mindset that a pistol is the means by which to reach your rifle and while the test shows that penetration (or lack thereof) is an apparent issue, I'm pretty sure that a shot or two from the judge to the face/neck will nullify a threat to no small degree. Eyes squish - just like grape!stg2ahn wrote:http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41_2.htm
Here's some "judge" info.
Taurus is awesome!!!
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I have an FsN and have wondered about this myself. (My current house guns are a Glock 19 and a Colt .38 both loaded with Glazer Blue ammo to avoid over penetration).
I've been doing some simple testing on my own by shooting into 2 liter bottles full of water stacked 2 deep. While I know this does not directly translate to real life defensive performance it has been a way to get some comparisons on cartridge peformance. Besides it's a lot cheaper and easier than ballistic gelatin. Range was aproximately 21 feet.
Compared to 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP FMJ ball ammo the 5.7 SS195 ammo kicks butt. The entrance in the 1st bottle for the 5.7 is about .22 caliber but the exit is a couple of inches in area (usually not in a straight line with the entrance hole.) The second bottle was also fully penetrated with entrance and exit holes around an inch in diameter. The FMJ stuff penetrated both bottles as well but drilled nice straight bullet caliber holes through both bottles. The FMJ rolled the bottles off the rest. The SS195 emptied the 1st bottle dramatically and jumped both bottles off the table smartly.
I also tested 9mm Corbon 115 gr. hollow point Plus P Plus from a 5 3/8 " barrel (Steyr GB) and .40 S&W Wichester 180 gr. SXT hollow point from a 4" barrel (Beretta PX4).
Honestly, I felt that the 5.7 SS195 outperformed the .40 S & W load. (Had I used hot Corbon 135 gr. loads it might have been a different story.)
The hot Corbon 115gr. loads out of the longer than average (polygonal rifled to boot) barrel of the Steyr GB did the most impressive job of ripping up both bottles and clearing them off the table.
For comparison I put a Federal Eagle 5.56mm 55 gr. FMJ from a 17.4 " barrel (FS2000) through a pair of bottles at 100 yards. Nice .22 caliber holes through both with barely enough energy transfer to roll the mostly full bottles off the table.
I don't have access to the good stuff as a civilian but I was more impressed by the 5.7 SS195 than I expected to be. I suspect that some of the Elite unrestricted ammo would look even better. And the LEO/Military restricted ammo from FN and from Elite would probably look better still.
I'll be playing with this more. If I get any worthwhile photo data I may post it when I get a chance to redo it with a little more care and attention to detail.
I'm fresh out of .22 Magnum pistols and rifles at the moment but I might throw in some 35 gr. hollow point .22 Hornets for comparison with something closer in caliber, bullet contruction and velocity than the 5.56mm.
I've been doing some simple testing on my own by shooting into 2 liter bottles full of water stacked 2 deep. While I know this does not directly translate to real life defensive performance it has been a way to get some comparisons on cartridge peformance. Besides it's a lot cheaper and easier than ballistic gelatin. Range was aproximately 21 feet.
Compared to 9mm, .40 S&W and .45 ACP FMJ ball ammo the 5.7 SS195 ammo kicks butt. The entrance in the 1st bottle for the 5.7 is about .22 caliber but the exit is a couple of inches in area (usually not in a straight line with the entrance hole.) The second bottle was also fully penetrated with entrance and exit holes around an inch in diameter. The FMJ stuff penetrated both bottles as well but drilled nice straight bullet caliber holes through both bottles. The FMJ rolled the bottles off the rest. The SS195 emptied the 1st bottle dramatically and jumped both bottles off the table smartly.
I also tested 9mm Corbon 115 gr. hollow point Plus P Plus from a 5 3/8 " barrel (Steyr GB) and .40 S&W Wichester 180 gr. SXT hollow point from a 4" barrel (Beretta PX4).
Honestly, I felt that the 5.7 SS195 outperformed the .40 S & W load. (Had I used hot Corbon 135 gr. loads it might have been a different story.)
The hot Corbon 115gr. loads out of the longer than average (polygonal rifled to boot) barrel of the Steyr GB did the most impressive job of ripping up both bottles and clearing them off the table.
For comparison I put a Federal Eagle 5.56mm 55 gr. FMJ from a 17.4 " barrel (FS2000) through a pair of bottles at 100 yards. Nice .22 caliber holes through both with barely enough energy transfer to roll the mostly full bottles off the table.
I don't have access to the good stuff as a civilian but I was more impressed by the 5.7 SS195 than I expected to be. I suspect that some of the Elite unrestricted ammo would look even better. And the LEO/Military restricted ammo from FN and from Elite would probably look better still.
I'll be playing with this more. If I get any worthwhile photo data I may post it when I get a chance to redo it with a little more care and attention to detail.
I'm fresh out of .22 Magnum pistols and rifles at the moment but I might throw in some 35 gr. hollow point .22 Hornets for comparison with something closer in caliber, bullet contruction and velocity than the 5.56mm.
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The new 3 inch Judge can fire 5 70grain .357" 000 buck pellets at around 1,100 fps. Its definately lethal. Follow it up with a .45 colt round and you're golden.
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Unfortunately that 1100FPS is from a shotgun barrel. You're refering to the Wichester Super-X 000 I presume which as I can tell is rated out of a 20" barrel. I'm not saying it's less than lethal, just that 1100fps is not the mv of the taurus.
I still intend on getting one. One shot of rock-salt, two of #4 and two .45LC should cover any situation I get in. And four 00 round with one .45LC should work well for knocking a door off the frame.
I still intend on getting one. One shot of rock-salt, two of #4 and two .45LC should cover any situation I get in. And four 00 round with one .45LC should work well for knocking a door off the frame.
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No, it's a less than lethal deterent, a shot of that to the face will put anyone down, I don't care who you are, you're going down, if you get back up, then it's a .45LC to the cranium.
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I've actually never made homeade icecream before. I am lactose intollerant though, so I gotta be careful with that stuff. Worst part is I'm terribly allergic to processed soy so I can't have the fake stuff either.
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I'm of a mindset that the FN SS197SR with the 40 gr. Hornady V-Max will make a mess of any bad guy you decide to hit with it at pistol ranges,if they're wearing heavy cloths it may fugg things up but it's still gonna give them second thoughts (if not put them in the ER)
One has to remember when it works the .22LR has killed an assload of people,the 5.7 with ether a V-max or some Elite? I have no problems use that as a defense gun.
One has to remember when it works the .22LR has killed an assload of people,the 5.7 with ether a V-max or some Elite? I have no problems use that as a defense gun.
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My wife and I make homemade icecream every month or two. She's been making frozen yogurt lately, pretty good.
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i like making yogurt for my wife :lmao:
...actually I dont have a wife, but it just sounded funnier that way :p
...actually I dont have a wife, but it just sounded funnier that way :p
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You're a sick puppy, keep it in your pants and in the cage :p
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Organic he... :laugh:Grantness wrote:i like making yogurt for my wife :lmao:
...actually I dont have a wife, but it just sounded funnier that way :p
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Who makes 30 rounders for the FiveSeven? I just purchased mine so I am still a newbie.Krull wrote:...get the mag extenders and give her 30rds and a couple spare mags...
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CMMG Inc makes extensions and sells extended mags. Check out http://www.cmmginc.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; under "FN products".
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Thanks for the link, although you just cost me the price of (4) extenders.
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Make sure and read up on installing them, as it can take a little more work than just clipping them on.
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Sorry about not being about-my PC croked and I had to get another :gavel:Vortec MAX wrote:Thanks for the link, although you just cost me the price of (4) extenders.
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I would put my life behind the 5.7 with any load. I was a little leary at first after shooting paper targets and bottles and seeing the very small entery and exit wounds from the 195 and 197 rounds from FN. Being around Halloween there were plenty of pumpkins around so I took a few out and I was very impressed. At about 40 yards the 5.7 punched right thru the pimpkin. Again the entery wound was very small but the exit wound was rather impressive. With 3 shots there were 3 huge vertical gashes in the back of the pumpkin, the largest being about the size of my finger. I really didnt see too much of a difference between the 195 and 197 rounds as far as wound cavity size. For a comparison I took my Glock 357 and fired 3 Speer FMJ rounds into the pumpkin. The exit wounds were roughly 1/3 the size of the 5.7. Granted I was using FMJ rounds as HPs would have left a much bigger wound. In any regard the 357 SIG is a powerful round and if a 5.7 can create a cavity compariable than color me impressed! I wish I would have taken a camera for pics/vids, maybe next time.
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Bluegrass, Although I dont know how relevant shooting large plant items are compared to flesh wound pontential, I can say it is very fun to do or watch. I am actually surprised no one has posted a video or at least pics of it yet. Some of my neighbors still have their pumpkins, maybe i'll ask them for the pumpkins and post a video.
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It might not be a replication of a flesh wound but it does show the impressive power the 5.7 has with its tumbling effect. I really like pumpkins for wound tests because they hold together better than watermelons and similar other plants which have a tendency to split. After the pumpkin shoot, I would bet the house that the 5.7 has more stopping power than a 9mm, which flys in the face of all those who claim it’s just a tricked out 22. What I was impressed with is the comparative wound size, the 5.7 was a much more devastating wound cavity than the 357 SIG. I'll be doing some more pumpkin hunting this weekend and I'll be sure to get some pics at least if not a small video.
P.S. Can't wait to get some Elite Ammo and try it out as well
It might not be a replication of a flesh wound but it does show the impressive power the 5.7 has with its tumbling effect. I really like pumpkins for wound tests because they hold together better than watermelons and similar other plants which have a tendency to split. After the pumpkin shoot, I would bet the house that the 5.7 has more stopping power than a 9mm, which flys in the face of all those who claim it’s just a tricked out 22. What I was impressed with is the comparative wound size, the 5.7 was a much more devastating wound cavity than the 357 SIG. I'll be doing some more pumpkin hunting this weekend and I'll be sure to get some pics at least if not a small video.
P.S. Can't wait to get some Elite Ammo and try it out as well
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Welcome Bluegrass!
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Some of Elite's ammo (or good reloads) can match or exceed .357sig energies.
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Are you talking about in terms of muzzle energy? Cause I haven't done the calculations, but my standard round for .357Sig cranks out over 600ft/lbs from a 4" barrel as manufacturer rated, I fire them from a converted G35 so it should be a fair bit higher.Grantness wrote:Some of Elite's ammo (or good reloads) can match or exceed .357sig energies.
Luckily muzzle energy isn't everything, that's why I own a FsN too!
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I think the math works out to about 350 ftlbs for the Elite Protector which is what I carry in my 57. That is about 9mm, but to me the 57 beats the 9mm hands down with Elite Ammo and the way the round performs after it hits.
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What makes me say the 5.7 is a hell of a defense round is the fact it doesn't go all the way through,look at the factory ammo section and see how it did in ballistic gell-about 10.5 inch and it stops that'd be bad but this little bastard frags all to hell so the wound cavity is :skep: combine that with the fact it's dumped all of it's 250-350 ft lbs in target and that's why I'd hate to catch a round from the 5.7
And if that's not enough for you you also have 20rds to get the job done with...though any human target who can take more then a couple hits would scare me.
And if that's not enough for you you also have 20rds to get the job done with...though any human target who can take more then a couple hits would scare me.
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Sorry I was a little late with this post.
It just so happens that I had some friends over yesterday, to do some plinking in my back yard. There also, just happens to be a Produce Stand on the corner of the road coming to my house. All I ask folks to do is bring their own guns, ammo, targets, and stop by the Produce Stand to get something fun to shoot.
I prefer coconuts myself, for the obvious reasons, the shell or nut is hard like a head, and the rounds will fragment or mushroom, while going through them. Making for great exit wounds!
I ran out back to see what was still laying there.
In the near future (soon as my order from Elite gets here) I’ll take the time to do some more informal ballistics test and post better pictures of the results.
This coconut was hit with just a standard 195 round from the FSN at about 20 feet.
It just so happens that I had some friends over yesterday, to do some plinking in my back yard. There also, just happens to be a Produce Stand on the corner of the road coming to my house. All I ask folks to do is bring their own guns, ammo, targets, and stop by the Produce Stand to get something fun to shoot.
I prefer coconuts myself, for the obvious reasons, the shell or nut is hard like a head, and the rounds will fragment or mushroom, while going through them. Making for great exit wounds!
I ran out back to see what was still laying there.
In the near future (soon as my order from Elite gets here) I’ll take the time to do some more informal ballistics test and post better pictures of the results.
This coconut was hit with just a standard 195 round from the FSN at about 20 feet.
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Nice, thats one dead coconut! I took some pictures of a pumkin shoot and the wounds are rather impressive. Can fit 4 12 ga shells in one of the exit holes. I am searching like hell for my cord so I can upload them. Hopefully it will be soon.
btw lucked into some 192 rounds, what is everyones opinion on those?
btw lucked into some 192 rounds, what is everyones opinion on those?
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Collector's item.Bluegrass Shooter wrote:btw lucked into some 192 rounds, what is everyones opinion on those?
They're nothing more than SS195, except they have the older (longer lasting) leaded primers.
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So the 192's arent much hotter than the 195's? The guy tried to act like they would rival a .223...
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They're exactly the same round, loaded to the same specs, just a different primer.
How much did you pay for them?
How much did you pay for them?
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I didn't buy them because I didn’t know exactly how they performed and I would rather spend money on proven EA rounds. I told him id get back to him but he was asking for $60+. I've got 500 - SS195rds on the way so I guess it was a good move on my part! Some people are just trying to gouge due to the current political climate, which really should be criminal. I hate profiteers who use bad laws for personal gain.
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Good call, unless you're into collecting, just get SS195LF.
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Yeah, I love the SS195LF for target shooting. When I can get enough brass im gonna order a few boxes of EA ProtecTORs and S4 Super RapTORs. I also heard Remington is going to start production of a 5.7 round with the possibility of a number of other ammo manufacturers to join them. I'd love some added variety in 5.7 factory loads.
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If someone is in your home, why would you want to give them the opportunity to get back up? Killing someone is not something I dream of doing, but if they get past the dogs, if they come down the hallway and open my bedroom door that, to me as a single female homeowner is not a good indication that they are their for idle conversation. Not something I would want to do, but most guys are bigger than me and could whip my you-know-what in a heartbeat if so inclined.ArtosDracon wrote:No, it's a less than lethal deterent, a shot of that to the face will put anyone down, I don't care who you are, you're going down, if you get back up, then it's a .45LC to the cranium.
They can have anything in my house, but if they get past the locked doors, the dogs and get to my room where my shotgun is, well, then I am thinking maybe they probably should have found something else to do with their time than break and enter at my home. Am I too over the top? I realize not all states have the castle doctrine, but still, we are talking about the defense of you, your SO and/or your children in YOUR OWN HOME.
I didn't even buy my first firearm until I had had a long talk with myself and some LEO friends and decided that if I had to use my weapon of choice that I would be willing to live with the consequences of that decision and would not make it lightly. For the same reasons, I train regularly and do not understand people who think that just because they took a class, fired 50 shots into a target at 7 FEET and passed an SDA exam they are good to go.
Also why I am here . . . So, I am interested in opinions different from my own. A healthy debate has changed my mind at least once or twice that I can think of. :ponder:
Re: 5.7 round for home defense
Using the lead free rounds in both the fiveseven and the AR-57 upper with no problems.
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so what's a good defensive round? the 195? or 197? those are the only 2 available for the civilian market, right? i checked the elite ammo...pretty pricey...i can't afford it.
wasn't there a report or something on a new round coming out too? ss198?? or maybe i was just dreaming :ponder:
wasn't there a report or something on a new round coming out too? ss198?? or maybe i was just dreaming :ponder:
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SS198 is LE only. Either SS197 or SS195 should suffice as a defensive round. If you can't afford a lot of Elite's stuff, maybe you should just try a box or two and keep it loaded for defensive purposes.
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Medula Oblongata wrote:Unfortunately quality costs money; we can't compete with the mass-production cost of FN or Federal; we're a small shop.
on the up side, they can't compete with us when it comes to reliability, consistancy, performance, or customer service.
Yes, we are more expensive than the mass production lines, but when you actually do a price breakdown, we're more affordable than buying 50 rounds of Hydrashock or Golden Sabre...
that's awesome to hear...but $$ is tight right now. i'm already in big debt...but u know...she was calling out to me (5-7) :p so yea, i gave in...when i have more funds, i'll definitely look into elite ammo. thanks for the heads up.
I also started another thread on how i was shooting low with SS197...any advice would be great!
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Adjust the sights.GT1R390 wrote: I also started another thread on how i was shooting low with SS197...any advice would be great!
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jmz5 wrote:Adjust the sights.GT1R390 wrote: I also started another thread on how i was shooting low with SS197...any advice would be great!
yea, i tried...it was off/on. after i think i had it right...at 7 yards...1st shot, hit the bullseye, 2nd shot, came close but was about an inch or two off to the bottom left (think that's just my bad habbit)...then 3rd shot, i hit the bullseye.
after that, i came close a few times...but was still a lil low...and off about 2inches
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Sounds to me like you were anticipating recoil. Try shooting off sandbags and see if you have the same issues.
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Re: 5.7 round for home defense
what I would do is buy 2 boxes of EA ammo, 1 to site in and 1 for HD. then just use 195's or 197's for practice. won't be accurate, but work on group sizes. should still be accurate enough for on target, but not dead on.
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When shooting for HD, you only have to worry about MOBG, not MOA.
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reply on other thread:jmz5 wrote:Sounds to me like you were anticipating recoil. Try shooting off sandbags and see if you have the same issues.
http://www.57forum.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 393#p22393" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(don't wana thread jack the OP)
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what's MOBG and MOA stand for? sorry, i'm still a newb...only been in the firearm scene since the beginning of the year. (well, always been into it...but never made a commitment until recently :thumb: )jmz5 wrote:When shooting for HD, you only have to worry about MOBG, not MOA.
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all I was saying is you want your gun to be as accurate as possible with your defense rounds, not the cheaper ammo that is for range timesjmz5 wrote:When shooting for HD, you only have to worry about MOBG, not MOA.
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MOA - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_angle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;GT1R390 wrote:what's MOBG and MOA stand for? sorry, i'm still a newb...only been in the firearm scene since the beginning of the year. (well, always been into it...but never made a commitment until recently :thumb: )jmz5 wrote:When shooting for HD, you only have to worry about MOBG, not MOA.
MOBG - Minute Of Bad Guy.
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oops i'm a lil retarded this morning. i've read the MOA thing already...ahahaha
MOBG---sounds cool
thanks much!
MOBG---sounds cool
thanks much!
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