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DeanC
05-01-2007, 02:58 PM
I find it hard to believe there are people who think like this:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070425/OPINION04/704250310/0/OPINION

The disarming of America

LAST week's tragedy at Virginia Tech in which a mentally disturbed person gunned down 32 of America's finest - intelligent young people with futures ahead of them - once again puts the phenomenon of an armed society into focus for Americans.

The likely underestimate of how many guns are wandering around America runs at 240 million in a population of about 300 million. What was clear last week is that at least two of those guns were in the wrong hands.

When people talk about doing something about guns in America, it often comes down to this: "How could America disarm even if it wanted to? There are so many guns out there."

Because I have little or no power to influence the "if" part of the issue, I will stick with the "how." And before anyone starts to hyperventilate and think I'm a crazed liberal zealot wanting to take his gun from his cold, dead hands, let me share my experience of guns.

As a child I played cowboys and Indians with cap guns. I had a Daisy Red Ryder B-B gun. My father had in his bedside table drawer an old pistol which I examined surreptitiously from time to time. When assigned to the American embassy in Beirut during the war in Lebanon, I sometimes carried a .357 Magnum, which I could fire accurately. I also learned to handle and fire a variety of weapons while I was there, including Uzis and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

I don't have any problem with hunting, although blowing away animals with high-powered weapons seems a pointless, no-contest affair to me. I suppose I would enjoy the fellowship of the experience with other friends who are hunters.

Now, how would one disarm the American population? First of all, federal or state laws would need to make it a crime punishable by a $1,000 fine and one year in prison per weapon to possess a firearm. The population would then be given three months to turn in their guns, without penalty.

Hunters would be able to deposit their hunting weapons in a centrally located arsenal, heavily guarded, from which they would be able to withdraw them each hunting season upon presentation of a valid hunting license. The weapons would be required to be redeposited at the end of the season on pain of arrest. When hunters submit a request for their weapons, federal, state, and local checks would be made to establish that they had not been convicted of a violent crime since the last time they withdrew their weapons. In the process, arsenal staff would take at least a quick look at each hunter to try to affirm that he was not obviously unhinged.

It would have to be the case that the term "hunting weapon" did not include anti-tank ordnance, assault weapons, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, or other weapons of war.

All antique or interesting non-hunting weapons would be required to be delivered to a local or regional museum, also to be under strict 24-hour-a-day guard. There they would be on display, if the owner desired, as part of an interesting exhibit of antique American weapons, as family heirlooms from proud wars past or as part of collections.

Gun dealers could continue their work, selling hunting and antique firearms. They would be required to maintain very tight inventories. Any gun sold would be delivered immediately by the dealer to the nearest arsenal or the museum, not to the buyer.

The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

The "gun lobby" would no doubt try to head off in the courts the new laws and the actions to implement them. They might succeed in doing so, although the new approach would undoubtedly prompt new, vigorous debate on the subject. In any case, some jurisdictions would undoubtedly take the opportunity of the chronic slowness of the courts to begin implementing the new approach.

America's long land and sea borders present another kind of problem. It is easy to imagine mega-gun dealerships installing themselves in Mexico, and perhaps in more remote parts of the Canadian border area, to funnel guns into the United States. That would constitute a problem for American immigration authorities and the U.S. Coast Guard, but not an insurmountable one over time.

There could conceivably also be a rash of score-settling during hunting season as people drew out their weapons, ostensibly to shoot squirrels and deer, and began eliminating various of their perceived two-footed enemies. Given the general nature of hunting weapons and the fact that such killings are frequently time-sensitive, that seems a lesser sort of issue.

That is my idea of how it could be done. The desire to do so on the part of the American people is another question altogether, but one clearly raised again by the Blacksburg tragedy.

Dan Simpson, a retired diplomat, is a member of the editorial boards of The Blade and Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Cyberfly
05-01-2007, 03:06 PM
He can't possibly be serious?
I suppose in his world, American's are granted their rights by the government and not by GOD.
I also suppose in his world that the criminals who refuse to comply with the gun laws already in place will simply surrender their arms without argument to avoid the 1 year in jail and $1,000 fine...a felony.
The government will 'allow' you to check out your own firearms for 'hunting season'??
Sounds to me like Hitler would have LOVED this proposition.

Esteves
05-01-2007, 03:11 PM
I know I've been verging on ranting about the potential for the police state for a while (and my apologies to those in the LE community that may have taken offense, by and large I respect police officers and the jobs they perform) but that's exactly what Mr. Simpson is calling for. The man shows a complete disregard for the constitution and the checks and balances that are present there.

m1p90
05-01-2007, 03:31 PM
"The disarmament process would begin after the initial three-month amnesty. Special squads of police would be formed and trained to carry out the work. Then, on a random basis to permit no advance warning, city blocks and stretches of suburban and rural areas would be cordoned off and searches carried out in every business, dwelling, and empty building. All firearms would be seized. The owners of weapons found in the searches would be prosecuted: $1,000 and one year in prison for each firearm.

Clearly, since such sweeps could not take place all across the country at the same time. But fairly quickly there would begin to be gun-swept, gun-free areas where there should be no firearms. If there were, those carrying them would be subject to quick confiscation and prosecution. On the streets it would be a question of stop-and-search of anyone, even grandma with her walker, with the same penalties for "carrying."

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

This has to be a joke!!! There is no way he can be serious!
If he is serious... then He is a member of the Nazi/Communist Party!!!!

Goes to show you there are ALL KINDS living here in the good ol U.S.A.

panzermk2
05-01-2007, 04:08 PM
the sad thing is that guy really beleaves, he is a pure kool aid drinker

Esteves
05-01-2007, 04:31 PM
...a pure kool aid drinker
...and we all know what happened to the kool aid drinkers.

p99guy
05-01-2007, 04:34 PM
yeah yeah , and we could put barbed wire around the local sports stadiums and make them temporary holding camps for the family members of suspected gun owners, (dont turn in your guns...and you dont get your family back) HEHEHE that will show those upity Amercan gun culture nut jobs! Hell as long as we are getting rid of individual rights, lets suspend the posse comatodis restrictions too...let the MARINES go door to door backed up by Mechanized Infantry fighting vehicles and main battle tanks, Huey Cobra Gunships
Arrest the local authorites on the spot, as they are likely to possess personal firearms and have training in how to shoot people and cannot be trusted to cooperate fully with Federal Authority..that there is a deadly combination, so enforcement types under federal level shall be the first inhabitants of the holding camps, and thier agency assets used in the transport of the population to detention facilities.
Anyone found in possession of a magazine featuring firearms in any form shall also be detained without bond nor legal counsil until such time in the future that time allows for the evalution and final disposition of them.
A system shall be put in place for monitary and priviledge awards for good citzens that turn in anyone they suspect of owning a firearm, being out unusually late or being seen with digging equipment or PVC pipe. Children shall be held at Government School facilites and questioned as to possession of firearms by familiy members. If there is any resistance suspected at the childs house, the child shall accompany the soldiers, and be with and in front of, the first soldier entering the residense.
The CIA will no longer be barred from domestic employment, and will bring its full force to bear on this problem. Interception of all domestic communication will become standard proceedure and will require no permission.
If any firearms or cartridges, or reloading supplies are found on any property, the property and all item on or withen,including personal effects and vehicles is then forfitted to Federal ownership.
Military units expideting searches are not required to knock or announce before entering,
and shall be free to use all force at hand to accomplish entry. Not liable for damage or injury. Nor will the restraints of the Geneva Convention apply as they are not engaging
recognized uniformed combatants. The UN shall establish an armed International force to provide for the function of the regular Local EMS services during their absence.

EARS
05-01-2007, 04:53 PM
Get ready guys & gals! This is only the tip of the ice burg. What's being said it nothing new. It's only because of the recent incident in Va, that there is a "new audience" to hear and read it. The general public is not informed of the truth about really anything. We are fed bits and pieces, that the media, politicians, etc. want us to get. If the truth was really told, articles and statements like this and similar ones, would never be made public.

merlin83221
05-01-2007, 05:23 PM
want to hear something funny. guess what happend in utah when all this crap happend. The legalised handguns on college campuses. hmm go figure. of course you still have to have all the permits but it is a point, for every one state that wants to make gun laws worse there are other states that enforce the right to bear and protect yourself. i couldnt see this ever happening unless the supreme court was hijaked and the UN would allow unsaction searches. not going to happen. but we need to somewhat fear them making you right to bear a gun a huge libilty or makeing then pointless for defense aka if you use a gun in self deffense you get tried worse then if the crimnal if he had shot you, scary thing is i could see some states doing the latter.

FNPfan
05-01-2007, 05:30 PM
Truly scary that he is actually serious about this. Socialist worm.

Medula Oblongata
05-01-2007, 06:03 PM
I suppose he's never heard of 'being secure in your person, home, papers, effects.. except opon a warrant being issued be a court, upon oath or affirmation... which describes the place to be searched..."

Its called the 4th amendment which protects us all from unwarranted and unreasonable searches and seizures wihout proof in the form of probable cause.

Some grease ball comes to my home to do a 'door to door' search, or stops me on the street to ensure I'm not packing... Well, lest just say that I learned a little something while in the Army about bubytrapping self and domicile...