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snw19
04-06-2007, 12:55 PM
Here's what they were putting out yesterday

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264331,00.html

...FBI agents were investigating a string of recent bank robberies in central New Jersey when they came upon the robbery suspects leaving a bank near Route 22 in Readington. A shootout ensued...

...WABC reported that police said the FBI agent was ambushed in the parking lot while doing surveillance...

...saw a mass of law enforcement swarming in..."All hell was breaking loose. I've never seen so many police and authorities take action ever in my life,"...

..."He didn't hesitate in shooting an FBI agent," Della Fave said....
(state police Capt Al Della Fave)

Now today

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264504,00.html

...who Ruiz called a "dangerous criminal," was the third bank robbery suspect nabbed in connection to the deadly Thursday shooting of an FBI agent who had been tracking the men...

The fallen FBI agent's team had fired on the armed suspects outside a bank branch in Readington on Thursday, but the FBI said the suspects did not shoot back and the agent may have accidentally been killed by one of his own colleagues.

"Preliminarily, information suggests the agent may have been fatally wounded as a result of the accidental discharge of another agent's weapon during a dynamic arrest situation," the FBI said in a statement released Thursday night.

btown02
04-06-2007, 01:06 PM
Things like that happen. He still got killed while trying to arrest the suspects so guess who'll get the most heat out of it.

snw19
04-06-2007, 01:28 PM
Law enforcement will take the most heat?

I will keep looking for what comes of this, if they'll print it.
Did the LEO draw his weapon with his finger on the trigger and it went off?
Was the FBI agent between the LEO and the suspect?
I would guess the agent was wearing body armor, where'd he get hit?
Sometimes you hope that basic safety rules are second nature with professionals.

What if the accidental discharge had hit a bystander? Would that bring more heat?
It would sure bring civil action.

UltraFudd
04-06-2007, 01:58 PM
No, these guys will be charged with the death of the officer while in commission of a felony. Were it not for their actions in robbing the bank, the agent would be home with his family.

Fuk 'em, let 'em burn.

btown02
04-06-2007, 02:07 PM
Law enforcement will take the most heat?

As UltraFudd has pointed out most States and the Feds have laws that say that if during the commission of a crime someone dies or is hurt even if you did not cause the injury yourself you are responsible.

Medula Oblongata
04-06-2007, 03:53 PM
Unless the person comitting the crime was under the flag or color of authority. Then its automatically someone else's fault...

The special agent who shot his colleague neads some remedial training, and a loooooong vacation from work. It doesn't matter if its an accident, he shot and killed the wrong person. You just can't walk away from that as if nothing happened. there will be a price to be paid for this, mark my words.

Also, you don't just get to go around shooting suspects who have posed no life-threatening danger to the responding officers. There is still such a thing as a judge, jury, and court of competant jurasdiction.

snw19
04-06-2007, 06:32 PM
No, these guys will be charged with the death of the officer while in commission of a felony. Were it not for their actions in robbing the bank, the agent would be home with his family.
That's nuts!! I could be possessing with intent to distribute and some gung ho DEA agent shoots the FBI and I'd get charged with his death?!
They didn't rob it, they 'attempted' to, according to the story.

Fuk 'em, let 'em burn.
Indeed. But come on, why were they (LEO) using deadly force, the perps never fired a shot. I don't know but the story says that when they were arrested, they had weapons with them, not on them.

btown02
04-06-2007, 06:35 PM
They didn't rob it, they 'attempted' to, according to the story.

Same thing, and probably the same penalty under Federal law.


But come on, why were they (LEO) using deadly force, the perps never fired a shot.
Nothing says you have to let them take the first shot.

I could be possessing with intent to distribute and some gung ho DEA agent shoots the FBI and I'd get charged with his death?!

Could be.

snw19
04-06-2007, 07:14 PM
…its automatically someone else's fault...
Many don’t take responsibility for their actions (or teach those they’re responsible for to). Don’t want to think that those in authority (LEO, government) are like that too.

…he shot and killed the wrong person. You just can't walk away from that as if nothing happened. there will be a price to be paid for this, mark my words.
Exactly. If it turns out the agent was killed by another LEO, that LEO killed someone. They didn’t use deadly force to prevent a felony (or to protect someone else’s life), they killed someone. Reckless or accident, they still killed someone.

There is still such a thing as a judge, jury, and court of competant jurasdiction.
Man, I sure hope so.

Nothing says you have to let them take the first shot.
True. After may be too late.