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Medula Oblongata
03-31-2007, 04:34 PM
Here's some stuff I made for member arnoldsman.

He's going to use it for failure to fire, failure to extract, and other forms of training that it would be unsafe to use live ammo for.

Whaddya all think? Is there a market for it? I also tried to approximate "FN" blue as much as possible.. with poor results IMHO.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/medula_oblongata/trainingammo1.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/medula_oblongata/trainingammo2.jpg

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n103/medula_oblongata/trainingammo3.jpg

btown02
03-31-2007, 04:54 PM
You can always buy the FN dummy round at about $64 a box plus shipping. :)

f3rr37
03-31-2007, 04:59 PM
How much MO? I'd like to have a few, if not a box for the same thing.

Medula Oblongata
03-31-2007, 06:51 PM
I'm not selling right now. I still don't have a dealer's agreement with the owner of the foum. As soon as I do, I'll post these in the accessories for sale thread. I'm just seeking feedback at this point.

btown-
$64 a box is a lot more than what I was going to sell these for :)

btown02
03-31-2007, 06:56 PM
btown-
$64 a box is a lot more than what I was going to sell these for :)
I hope so. The factory dummy rounds cost more than SS192 and are harder to find. :D

f3rr37
03-31-2007, 07:10 PM
How much do you think you'll be selling them for in the future MO?

jmz5
03-31-2007, 08:47 PM
They look great MO.

Medula Oblongata
03-31-2007, 11:23 PM
I was thinking about $20 per 50 rounds, shipping included. Less for larger orders. The materials aren't whats expensive on this, its my time involved making them blue. Its a real pain in the butt. To pigment all 50 blue, it took me nearly 25 minutes. I've got to find a better way :)

I remember using an engineering pigment in the past that one would apply to pieces that were to be fit together. They were assembled, moved, and one could then see all the areas where it had to be worked on further based upon the scratches. Machinists use it all the time.

If I could adapt that stuff to my use (anyone know what its called?) then maybe I could make them blue faster and cut the cost. You'd also be able to tell if there were minute imperfections in your chamber :)

vitaliy
04-01-2007, 01:13 AM
Looking good MO! Count me in, when you're ready.

madoc
04-01-2007, 01:37 AM
Are you talking about blue layout fluid (like form Dykem)?

Medula Oblongata
04-01-2007, 01:51 AM
Yeah! that stuff! Dykem was the name..

Its been years since I played with any.. From what I remember, it really stuck to the components and was a bugger to get off.

Or am I mis-remembering its adherence?

madoc
04-02-2007, 02:16 PM
Glad to be of help - I would love training rounds that are clearly not live loads - I have a couple dummies set up, and sharpied them black, but that doesn't last long.

I have no clue about its adhering issues, as I have never used - I just gots me some outstanding search-fu.

I have a feeling that acetone will take it off.

Cheers,
Madoc

panzermk2
04-02-2007, 11:17 PM
Laquer blue paint

doobie
04-04-2007, 12:08 AM
count me in for a box MO

Elite Ammunition
04-04-2007, 04:10 PM
Those who would like blue training ammo should contact Elite Ammunition (owned by MO and Panzer) by PM. We will provide payment instructions from this account.

Thanks for the interest!

-Elite Ammunition

Esteves
04-04-2007, 04:24 PM
The materials aren't whats expensive on this, its my time involved making them blue. Its a real pain in the butt. To pigment all 50 blue, it took me nearly 25 minutes. I've got to find a better way :)

How about drilling the cases on the side? Three holes at 120 degrees separation would be visible from just about any angle. Four holes might be simpler, since you could (potentially) do them all in two passes through the drill press.

Not as pretty as the blue...

Medula Oblongata
04-04-2007, 05:34 PM
Drilling is an option if people request it. Its just a pain in the butt to chuck every piece up in the press, maintaing a constant position, etc.

blue takes time, but IMHO is superior from a visibility standpoint.

Oh, in the future, we will offer live ammo in custom colored cases in neon, day-glo colors to make finding that brass easier after its flown 15' downrange. :)

thanks for the input. PM me your address and I'll send you a box for all of your helpful input.

-Ryan

anoldsman
04-05-2007, 03:26 PM
I received my dummy rounds and they work great. I was able to practice magazine reloads for the first time. Man do I need to practice more. :)

After 20+ practice reloads the Dykem was still on the case and on the bullet. The bullet was slightly scratched from being stripped from the magazine and feed into the barrel 20+ times. But, most of the Dykem is still there. Defiantly enough to differentiate it from live rounds.

So, in other words, they work great. Hopefully I can practice some failure to fire scenarios tomorrow at the range. I'll let you know how they work.

Elite Ammunition
04-06-2007, 12:27 AM
I'm glad they are working for you.

Please keep us updated as to how they hold up under extended chambering/extraction.

We are working on a new formulation for coloring. It is more purple than blue, but it stands out quite well over conventional brass.

Thanks again for allowing Elite Ammunition to serve you!

anoldsman
04-06-2007, 03:12 PM
Well I practiced some failure to fire drills today. The dummy rounds feel very close to the live rounds so I just dumped one dummy in a box of 5 rounds and went to work. Everything worked great as I was not sure when the dummy round would "pop up". The only problem was the first extracted dummy round flew way out into the range so it is "lost forever". :( I had to modify my technique to bounce the round off of the side wall so that I could retrieve it later. Man the Five seveN sure like to throw that brass. :) :) :)

I'll be sure to keep y'all informed on how well they hold up to constant training.

panzermk2
04-06-2007, 03:58 PM
The only problem was the first extracted dummy round flew way out into the range so it is "lost forever". :( I had to modify my technique to bounce the round off of the side wall so that I could retrieve it later. Man the Five seveN sure like to throw that brass. :) :) :)

I'll be sure to keep y'all informed on how well they hold up to constant training.


You have discoverd our master plan!

Medula Oblongata
04-06-2007, 04:22 PM
This is why I don't sell in lots smaller than 50 :)

If you loose one, and you will, you still have 49 left. :)

Keep us informed as to how they handle extended use.

Medula Oblongata
04-10-2007, 06:50 PM
I received a call from a member who purchased some training ammo last week. He was upset about how the rounds were packaged for shipping. Upon asking a few questions, I determined that the USPS had removed the box of training rounds from the box packaging, inspected it to ensure that it was indeed inert, and then placed it into a priority flat rate envelope.

I want everyone to know that I ship these in a box, surrounded by packaging material, stuffed into another box, and that the shipping label is type written, not hand written as seen on the package complained about.

if anyone else who has had this happen, would they please let me know? I'd surely appreciate it.

-Ryan

Medula Oblongata
04-12-2007, 06:59 PM
I just finished with speaking to a Postal Inspector over the missing shipments, opened packages, and delayed delivery.

Apparently, a spent primer had gotten into the box I had shipped out my first order with. While they were handling it, a bomb sniffing dog went on point at the box... So they opened it up. Not finding anything other than residue from the expended primer, they put the dummy ammo in an envelope and sent it on its way.

Since then, they have been opening all of them, just to see if I'm trying to slip something by the Post Office.

As of now, I am missing two shipments completely, one's I sent out on Saturday. I will be making another batch this evening and sending them out again in the AM. Hopefully, since the Inspector now knows me, they won't open them again.

-Ryan

btown02
04-12-2007, 07:08 PM
a bomb sniffing dog went on point at the box
:lmao:


Since then, they have been opening all of them

:lmao: