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panzermk2
01-24-2007, 12:08 AM
E-Mail Angers Military Supporters

By DINESH RAMDE
Associated Press Writer
Published January 23, 2007, 2:34 PM CST


MILWAUKEE -- An American GI in Iraq who e-mailed a Wisconsin company to ask for a shipment of some floor mats got a brusque reply: "We would NEVER ship to Iraq. If you were sensible, you and your troops would pull out of Iraq."

The two-line e-mail response quickly circulated on the Internet and has led to threats against the Muslim-owned business and demands for a boycott.

Bargain Suppliers, an online retailer based in the Milwaukee suburb of West Allis, shut down its Web site Monday and fired the unidentified employee who sent the e-mail, WTMJ-TV reported.

Co-owner Faisal Khetani, a Muslim from Pakistan, has received threatening calls, the TV station said. An answering machine at a number listed for the business said the mailbox was full and would not accept a message Tuesday.

In an e-mail dated Jan. 16, Sgt. Jason Hess asked about getting floor mats from the company.

"Do you ship to APO addresses? I'm in the 1st Cavalry Division stationed in Iraq and we are trying to order some mats but we are looking for who ships to APO first," the e-mail said.

A response e-mailed the same day said the company did not.

"And even if we did, we would NEVER ship to Iraq. If you were sensible, you and your troops would pull out of Iraq," said the e-mail, which was signed "Bargain Suppliers."

In an e-mail to the AP, Hess said Tuesday the employee's firing did not ease his anger over the original response.

"There should be standards set and upheld (by) the company on responding politely to e-mails from whoever goes to their site," wrote Hess, a 31-year-old Fayetteville, N.C., native who is stationed in Taji, Iraq.

Hess said he wanted some mats to cover the ruts in a concrete floor in a former parking garage or storage unit now used as a conference room.

Bloggers spread the original e-mail exchange far and wide, along with the company's address and phone number. At least one site included a link to a photograph of Khetani's home.

"It's really getting out of control," Bargain Suppliers vice president Sajid Nasir told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "Our main concern is for the safety of the family. That's more important than the business."

West Allis police said they were watching the situation but had received no immediate reports of any vandalism or threats from the Khetani family.

Othman Atta, president of the Islamic Society of Milwaukee, said the employee's response was inappropriate. He said feared a backlash against Muslims.

"This whole thing is taking on a life of its own. It's making me nervous," he said, adding that the center would increase security.

Sgt. Colby Howser, spokesman for the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas, said it is not unusual for soldiers to make purchases on their own.

"He wasn't ordering for the unit," Howser said. "If the unit needed to purchase something, it would be a lieutenant colonel placing the order, not a sergeant."

Medula Oblongata
01-24-2007, 02:15 AM
Ok.. Why is this even an issue? Doesn't a private business have the right to determine who it does business with? Don't they have the right to answer a question any way they wish? People need to lighten up and stop taking themselves so seriously.

You should see and hear the way I deal with some people on a regular basis. It makes this email seem to be exactly what it is... NOTHING..

Fallschirmjaeger
01-24-2007, 05:19 AM
Discrimination is discrimination; sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes not.

If they had said "... we don't sell to negroes, and if you were sensible you and your people would go back where you came from" I might have a right to be just a tad miffed, don't you think?

Or... "We don't agree with your capitalist pillaging of the indigenous people of the great Kazackhstan republic so we're not shipping our glorious product to you and we think you should only grow organic tofu."

Certain forms of discrimination have been codified as being illegal in the U.S., other forms have not. The company has a legal right to sell to whom they wish (subject to certain legalities). The soldiers and anyone concerned have a legal right to make their displeasure with the company known. Anyone being aware of it has a right to either support the company's policies or to attempt to influence them.

Based on the business owner's actions in dismissing the individual concerned, I would guess that the circulation of the email had an influence. I'm quite certain it had an influence on a certain someone's paycheck.

Medula Oblongata
01-24-2007, 01:17 PM
Discrimination is discrimination; sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes not.

If they had said "... we don't sell to negroes, and if you were sensible you and your people would go back where you came from" I might have a right to be just a tad miffed, don't you think?

Or... "We don't agree with your capitalist pillaging of the indigenous people of the great Kazackhstan republic so we're not shipping our glorious product to you and we think you should only grow organic tofu."

Certain forms of discrimination have been codified as being illegal in the U.S., other forms have not..

Discrimination by a public body is illegal. However, a private organization may discriminate as they wish, with certain proviso's. Such as discrimination in housing and loans for housing / employment. Other than that I can pretty much do as I please. I do recall a case here in Nebraska where a Jew sued the Arian Nation for refusing him membership (it was a serious attempt, apparently he hated other Jews), however he was denied. He sued and the US Supreme court sided with a lower court ruling that private organizations may make rules for membership as they see fit.

Anyway, I do agree that we can make our displeasure known against anyone or anything that offends us. That is the beauty of America. This is also the chief difference between America and other countries. While people everywhere have freedom of speech, in America you still have freedom AFTER you speak. Would I patronize this business? probably not, unless their prices and service were superior.

That said, I wasn't offended by the email response. I would have drafted a return email suggesting that he penetrate himself with his thumb and ride his camel back home while rotating. No harm, no foul. I didn't sense any discrimination here. The guy simply didn't want to do business with someone because of that person's occupation. This is much different than a refusal because of color, creed, or religion. I think that the conservatives are acting like little children recently. Every percieved insult is treated like an attack on American values or "anti-patriotic."

Patriotism is allowing others to "march to the beat of their own drummer." Not falling in lockstep with those who goose-step down the Champ Ulysses.

Esteves
01-24-2007, 01:36 PM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/apo.asp

Fallschirmjaeger
01-24-2007, 06:07 PM
M.O. I never said it was illegal to discriminate. I merely pointed out that it was discrimination.

We all do it, and for good reasons usually.
I have discriminating tastes, I bought a PS-90, my brother is non compus mentis and bought a lap dance down at the Pink Pony.

black campbell
01-24-2007, 06:20 PM
They do have the right to discriminate against their prospective customers...and the customers have that same right. Boycott them. And the Muslim cab drivers that won't pick up people with alcohol or dogs (I'm sure women showing their faces will be next.)

I have zero sympathy for the Muslim community. While most are hard-working people who aren't out to blow stuff up, they tacitly aid those who do through monetary support and by openly pushing for unconstitutional actions like the institution of shari'a, or through actions like the aforementioned. It's the reason these guys are always "nervous" about the reaction to the Muslim community -- sooner or later, the average Joe American is going to get fed up with their $hit.

Medula Oblongata
01-24-2007, 08:05 PM
M.O. I never said it was illegal to discriminate. I merely pointed out that it was discrimination.

We all do it, and for good reasons usually.
I have discriminating tastes, I bought a PS-90, my brother is non compus mentis and bought a lap dance down at the Pink Pony.
Pnk Pony.. HAhahaha!!

I had a supply specialist once in the Army who married a dancer from Pink Pony in Florida... Ask me about that saga sometime.. :D

I Hope you all don't think I'm trying to pick a fight, its not the case. I've had a serious case of sleep deprivation for about 8 months and sometimes I'm not as cordial as I should be. I mean no offense by it. I'm actually a really nice guy.

Fallschirmjaeger
01-24-2007, 08:41 PM
M.O.
No offence taken, no worries. I don't recall ever seeing anything but love from ya. ( In a manly sorta way, I mean (cough, cough)) :MM

If we couldn't express differences of opinion this would be a Very Boring Board. How does one learn except by being challenged?

UltraFudd
01-25-2007, 10:07 AM
Just to throw some additional crap in the wringer, here's an interesting take on the business and some speculation regarding the business and its associates.

Link here: http://euphoricreality.com/2007/01/24/who-is-behind-the-muslim-websites/

McCarthyism at its finest? Or real concerns? Fifty years ago everybody said enough was enough and sent old Senator Joe packing. Fast forward to the opening of a lot of Cold War archives and we learn that many of the targets in the Red scare, were, in fact, helping our enemies.

So what's the lesson? Will we find a balance between profiling and prejudicial suppositions to develop effective counters in dealing with the current war on whatever it is? Or, after the first dirty bomb explodes, will the perpetrators say of the victims that "they died with their freedoms intact"?

I wish I was smart enough to have the answers, but I'm not and I don't, and that bothers me because some dumbazz politician is probably going to try to figure it out, and we all know what that means.

Medula Oblongata
01-25-2007, 11:47 AM
Yup..

Drop your pants and bend over.

wetwrks
01-26-2007, 02:13 AM
MO, sometimes you absolutely T me off. Other times I LOL at your responses. I think you are pretty well right on about this.

Medula Oblongata
01-26-2007, 12:40 PM
MO, sometimes you absolutely T me off. Other times I LOL at your responses. I think you are pretty well right on about this.

I actually set out to anger people sometimes... To force them to think and consider other opinions. I don't do this to be nasty, but to do a public service.. Or at least that's my excuse :D

Seiously though, I just don't pull my punches. If thats the way I see it, that's the way I say it.