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panzermk2
01-13-2007, 02:16 PM
Its a cut and paste but it was to good a read not to share


The Gunny Sounds Off On Firearms,
Second Amendment And The Industry!

R. Lee Ermey, The Gunny, is one of the biggest draws at the SHOT Show. When heís at the Glock booth signing autographs, he always attracts a large, seemingly never-ending crowd. Best known for hosting ďMail CallĒ on the History Channel, The Gunny first gained prominence as the drill instructor in the critically acclaimed movie Full Metal Jacket.

He recently met with Shooting Industryís editor, Russ Thurman, a retired Marine who also worked in Hollywood, primarily as a technical advisor for Vietnam movies.


Thurman:
Tell me about your tour of duty in the Corps.

The Gunny:
I was a staff sergeant with 11 years in the Marine Corps, making $505 a month, when I got out. We werenít well paid back in those days. I put in for warrant officer and was accepted, but I got hurt before I could get that done. Cíest la vie. I had to find something else to do with my life. It just happened to work out pretty darn good.


Thurman:
Your big break came in Full Metal Jacket, based on the book The Short Timers.


The Gunny:
I was lucky with Full Metal Jacket. When Stanley Kubrick (director) called me, thatís what they call being blessed. It opened every door in the world. He mentioned that Gustav Hasfordís The Short Timers was the book that the movie was based upon. It just so happened I had read The Short Timers and I was on my way through it again a second time. I found the book to be extremely entertaining. It pretty much captured the essence of the warrior. The Marine. You had Private Joker, Private Cowboy, T.H.E. Rock ó it was entertaining, even though, technically, it was pretty loose.


Thurman:
It certainly established your signature as The Gunny.

The Gunny:
Absolutely. No question about it; Full Metal Jacket was my fifth international film and it put me on the map. ďMail CallĒ is basically the motivator for my being at the SHOT Show. It is one of the highest-rated shows on the History Channel. When it started, it caught the eye of all the gunmakers. When Glock approached me, I was also approached by about half the gunmakers in America ó all of them wanted me to represent their product. I said, ďWell, ya know, I wonít represent something that I donít use myself, number one, and some of these weapons I havenít even tried out, so how can I tell somebody to go buy something I donít know if Iíd buy.Ē

So, I got handguns from everybody and shot them. I found which one I liked the best and the one I felt was the best weapon. Thatís the people I decided to go with and it just happened to be Glock.


Thurman:
So, during your test and evaluation, Glock came out number one?

The Gunny: It did indeed.

Thurman:
Why?

The Gunny:
Well, number one, Iím an old traditional bastard. I like the 1911. But after you shoot about a hundred rounds through that old 1911, you feel it start to drag, you can feel it start to bind out. The material the Glock is made out of is almost like Teflon, it just repels the burnt powder, the black powder residue that everything else seems to glom onto.

The first Glock I got was the .45 GAP, and I donít know whether youíve ever fired a .45 GAP, but itís a round thatís half as large as the old .45. The reason I think the military went to the 9mm is because you can carry a lot more ammunition. But then, they lost the concept of why in the hell a staff NCO or an officer is armed with a sidearm in the first place. When youíre out of ammunition for that M16, M14, M1 or whatever the case may be, and those rascals are coming up over the berm, the pistol, itís something you can shoot these guys with and itís a one-shot situation. You lay a .45 slug right in the middle of somebodyís chest and theyíre gonna stop. With the 9mm, you gotta shoot them three or four times to get their attention. Might as well have a .22 Magnum. I wish theyíd pull their heads out of their butts and start thinking about this. Even police officers, why should a cop whoís being fired at put three rounds in center mass before he stops this guy? One roundís all it takes for the .45 and that guyís not gonna feel like shooting at you anymore.

Thurman:
Were you familiar with firearms before you joined the Marines?

The Gunny:
I grew up in rural America. My father taught us gun safety and what we should do. Nowadays, itís gotten to the point where kids are 15 years old before they ever fire their first weapon. I was out pheasant and duck hunting by myself with a 12-gauge single shot, old breakdown shotgun when I was 8 years old.

Thurman:
What are your thoughts about the rights of people to be armed?

The Gunny:
I think if everybody was armed, there would be less crime. If Iím a robber and I think you might have a gun, Iím gonna think twice about approaching you or taking your car from you. Weíve got bold criminals who will walk right up to your driverís side window, point a gun at you, tell you to get the hell out and jump into your car and drive it away. I donít think theyíd be that bold if they thought, ďThis guy might be armed.Ē We would weed out the nuts, the criminals, the drug addicts, of course, and not issue them weapons. Supposedly, thatís what our system does today. They have this ridiculous paperwork you have to fill out every time you buy a handgun. Itís just totally ridiculous.

Thurman:
Youíre not thrilled, I take it, about filling out paperwork.


The Gunny:
You know, the people who make these rules are such idiots. When Glock sends me a new gun, I have to go down and fill out the same three pieces of complicated paperwork every time. This is the age of computers; they have all of my information on the computer. And why do you have to wait 15 days? I have handguns at home two miles down the road. So why do I have to come in and fill out this ridiculous paperwork and wait 15 days before I can come pick my gun up?

Thurman:
Youíve often said paperwork is a deterrent to buying a firearm.

The Gunny:
It seems to me what theyíre doing is making it so difficult for people to own handguns. You finally say, well, thatís just too much trouble, Iím just not going to do it anymore. The liberals in America have taken it so far to the left that it gets sick. Another rule we have in California is, you can go over to the used handgun section and buy 20 handguns and take them home in 15 days. However, you can only buy one new handgun per month. Who was the brilliant bastard who actually came up with that rule? I understand why there should be a 15-day waiting period for somebody who doesnít own 20 or 30 handguns already, and I can understand the cooling-off period situation. However, when theyíve got you in the computer, why do you have to repetitiously fill out these things just so you can pick up a handgun every 30 days? Itís just out of control.


Thurman:
Whatís your favorite gun shop?

The Gunny:
My favorite gun shop, well, letís see, High Desert Storm (Palmdale, Calif.), they always have what I want. They always have a good selection of used handguns, plus long rifles, ammunition and any ammo that I want. When I go into a gun shop, I pretty much know what I want to buy. Now if thereís new ammo thatís out that I might want to look into, Iíll ask, ďOh, whatís this?Ē and I might ask that to be explained to me. Good people run gun shops. Theyíre grassroots America people, theyíre people I admire. Theyíre my kind of people.

Basically what gun dealers are doing is what we need to have done: Youíre selling weapons to the good guys. Letís face it, the guy thatís out robbing liquor stores and the guy thatís in the gang thatís out robbing people on the street, he didnít buy his gun from a gun shop. He got his gun on the street from somebody who stole it.


Thurman:
Youíve often spoken highly of Charlton Heston as someone you admire.


The Gunny:
Charlton Heston, God bless his soul, he stepped up to the plate a number of years ago and kept everything going, kept this Second Amendment we have going, and itís the important thing. Why was that even put into the Constitution to begin with? We have to stop and think about it. Our forefathers saw a need to put that in there simply because they figured that one day, our governmentís gonna get so screwed up we might need to take up arms and overthrow the government again. Take over and reestablish our beliefs as Americans. When that day comes, if we donít have a rifle, how are we gonna take up arms? Weíd be, basically, slaves.


Thurman:
If you had a chance to talk to the entire industry, what would you say?

The Gunny:
One thing the industry needs to do is not be discouraged by all the paperwork and red tape. It seems like liberals, the far left, these people are not good common sense people and they create this paperwork. They all believe in what theyíre doing so strongly, they want to be in government. So the liberals, the extremely hard-core left liberals, really do influence this industry.

Just keep the faith. Obey the gun rules by all means. If your state says 15-day waiting period, then itís a 15-day waiting period. We donít have to like that, but thereís a democratic way we can change that and we can overcome that deal. I know the government is watching, and really scrutinizing gun shop owners. So what do we do? We gotta go by the letter, go by the rules and make sure there is no stone unturned and we do it properly.

Thurman: So, your message to the industry is: Donít get discouraged and keep the faith?

The Gunny:
We have to just bear with it, put up with it until better days come. Weíre making it. I still have my guns, you have your guns. We still have ranges where we can go out and shoot. I think firearms, itís our natural heritage and our right to own firearms. And thereís nothing to be ashamed of in saying youíre a firearms dealer or owner or manufacturer. The bad guys get their guns from someplace else, they donít get them from us. They donít get them from the honest people of America who run gun shops.

Yeah, just keep the faith. Hang in there. I think itís gonna get better before it gets worse, to tell you the truth.

jmz5
01-13-2007, 02:50 PM
Great read, Mail call is great.

EARS
01-13-2007, 03:39 PM
Great post. I watch the gunny on Mail Call all the time. The show is very informative. I wish I could meet him some day. One Marine to another.

m1p90
01-13-2007, 03:48 PM
HOORAH!!!!! Mail call is one of my favorite shows. Gunny is great! I wish he'd run for president!!!!!
However, I disagree with his optimistic view of the gun industry. I have a friend who owns and operates a gun shop and he is burried in paperwork and he keeps telling me what the Libtards want to do next. The Government is really putting the squeeze on the whole industry.
I think it will get WORSE befor it will get better.

as panzermk2 quotes.

ďAmerica is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the b*st*rds.Ē
-- Claire Wolfe


We just have to keep holding on. :)

panzermk2
01-13-2007, 04:48 PM
There was some comments also concerning how many people are fans of Mail Call and how many people just plain dislike Hunter Eliss from future weapons. The biggest reason is Hunter is a dumba$$ and one wonders how even a SEAL whos primary focus is unit small arms states more then once that the AK47 is chamberd in 7.62x52.

OK in a fight how bad would Gunny kick Hunters a$$

UltraFudd
01-14-2007, 08:44 PM
Hunter wasn't a SEAL. Not even close.

He was an airdale. F-18 jockey, I believe.

panzermk2
01-15-2007, 09:05 PM
Sorry Fudd just watched the opening credits that is on as I type this. He claims in the opening from his own mouth to have been with the Navy SEALS for 10 years. "BEEN WITH" could mean alot, like he cleaned the crappers at the SEAL barracks

UltraFudd
01-15-2007, 11:28 PM
Sorry Fudd just watched the opening credits that is on as I type this. He claims in the opening from his own mouth to have been with the Navy SEALS for 10 years. "BEEN WITH" could mean alot, like he cleaned the crappers at the SEAL barracks

Bio from CBS:

Hunter Ellis was born in Alexandria, Virginia, and spent many years moving around as part of a U.S. Navy family. Growing up both in California and Virginia, Ellis spent several years in Virginia Beach before graduating from high school in Alexandria.

Ellis attended the University of Southern California where he was a member of the Alpha Tau Omega Fraternity. After receiving a Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science, he was commissioned as an Ensign in the U.S. Navy and went on to complete Naval Flight Training in Corpus Christi and Kingsville, Texas. Graduating number one in his class, Ellis moved to Corona Del Mar, Calif., to continue his training as an F/A-18 strike-fighter pilot. His operational tours include 2 six-month Western Pacific/Persian Gulf deployments flying Hornets off the U.S.S. Carl Vinson and the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln while stationed in Lemoore, Calif. Assigned to the "Stingers" of Strike Fighter Squadron 113, he also achieved qualifications as a Landing Signals Officer and as an F/A-18 Flight Demonstration pilot. Ellis ended his tour with the Navy as an F/A-18 tactics instructor in San Diego, Calif., in July of 2001. During his career he amassed over 2000 flight hours and 433 carrier landings.

Hunter Ellis currently works as a pilot for a major shipping company. He has also worked as an ocean lifeguard with the Virginia Beach Lifesaving Service. He currently lives in La Jolla, Calif., where he enjoys all outdoor sports. An avid traveler, Ellis makes annual visits to Tavarua, Fiji, and Whistler, British Columbia, to surf and ski, respectively. His birth date is July 5.

For a pilot, cleaning the crappers at the SEAL barracks would be about right. I never argued that pilots didn't earn their flight pay, just that they were cheating the taxpayers by collecting basic pay.

panzermk2
01-16-2007, 12:27 AM
Richard "Mack" Machowicz's

You are correct I ment this guy. I really need to pay attention more to the "pros" on reality TV

Richard "Mack" Machowicz's expertise with soldier craft and military hardware comes from his experience as a 10-year veteran of the U.S. Navy SEALs. During his service tenure, he participated in numerous tactical operations with SEAL Team ONE and TWO. While at SEAL Team TWO he was attached to the training cadre as the Leading Petty Officer of Land, Mountain and Arctic Warfare.

kamo
01-16-2007, 09:36 AM
Hunter Ellis i believe hosts Man Moment Machine right? If so, hes a former pilot. The future weapons guy is that bald guy who, in the opening says he is an ex navy seal. I may be wrong. I sometimes get my discovery and history channel shows mixed up.

panzermk2
01-16-2007, 10:45 PM
thats what I did, somany operators on TV and such. And one old Gunny who kicks all thier a$$'s

m1p90
01-22-2007, 07:38 AM
Here is an episode of Mail Call. The Gunny is at a machinegun shoot in Kentucky.
It's 21 minutes long but well worth the time!
So... Grab a cup of coffee and sit back and enjoy!!!! Hurrah!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UtosDFNNP8&NR

:machinegu :machinegu :machinegu :machinegu :machinegu :machinegu

panzermk2
01-22-2007, 10:06 PM
Knob Creek, tomuch money to even think about going there