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Poseidon5
12-07-2006, 07:07 PM
I was just browsing around on packing.org, and came across the 4 different carry conditions, and they seem different from what i was taught / remember. i thought that

Condition 1 : hammer down, slide forward, round in chamber, magazine in well, safety on.

Condition 2 : hammer down, slide forward, chamber empty, magazine in well, safety on.

Condition 3: hammer down, slide forward, chamber empty, magazine well empty, safety on.

Condition 4 : safety on, magazine well empty, chamber empty, slide locked to the rear.

here is the link to packing.org's glossery:

http://www.packing.org/glossary/

is it all one standard? or do different places have different definitions for each condition?

btown02
12-07-2006, 07:13 PM
I see nothing there for the proper carry of the 1911.

Poseidon5
12-07-2006, 07:27 PM
mine or thiers?

Poseidon5
12-07-2006, 07:28 PM
wait, what??? isn't it the same as carrying any other autoloader?

Esteves
12-07-2006, 07:49 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pistol+%22condition+one%22+%22condition+two%22&btnG=Google+Search

The late Jeff Cooper is credited with standardizing the system.

rips31
12-07-2006, 08:02 PM
wait, what??? isn't it the same as carrying any other autoloader?
1911 would follow condition 1, but have hammer cocked instead of down. hence the term cocked-and-locked (i think).

btown02
12-07-2006, 08:04 PM
I was just browsing around on packing.org, and came across the 4 different carry conditions, and they seem different from what i was taught / remember. i thought that

Condition 1 : hammer down, slide forward, round in chamber, magazine in well, safety on.

Condition 2 : hammer down, slide forward, chamber empty, magazine in well, safety on.

Condition 3: hammer down, slide forward, chamber empty, magazine well empty, safety on.

Condition 4 : safety on, magazine well empty, chamber empty, slide locked to the rear.

here is the link to packing.org's glossery:

http://www.packing.org/glossary/

is it all one standard? or do different places have different definitions for each condition?
I see the problem now. You copied condition one wrong. :)

Poseidon5
12-07-2006, 08:57 PM
i wasn't copying them, i put down what i believed was right, vs. what packing.org put :-P
but if i'm wrong, i'm wrong.

stg2ahn
12-08-2006, 06:40 PM
I think condition 2 is for revolvers. Only condition 1, 3 and 4 are used nowadays. condition one is with a round chambered and safety on . condition 2 is gun mag. loaded with a round in the chamber safety on and condition 4 is an empty gun.

btown02
12-08-2006, 06:43 PM
condition one is with a round chambered and safety on
Condition 1 is hammer cocked, round chambered, and safety on. Condition 2 does apply to autos but it is Full magazine, cartridge in chamber, hammer down, safety off. This is they way they should read.


Condition 1
Pistol: Full magazine, cartridge in chamber, hammer cocked, safety on. AKA "cocked and locked.
Condition 2
Pistol: Full magazine, cartridge in chamber, hammer down, safety off.
Condition 3
Pistol: Full magazine, chamber empty.
Condition 4
Pistol: Full magazine separate from gun, chamber empty.