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Killbot
11-08-2006, 01:46 AM
Discuss....

Here is my worthless opinion: The democrats will go after small targets w/ any gun legislation. Specifically, I could see them resurrecting the bills to ban the FN FiveSeveN handgun and the .50 cal.

Donít see them going too farÖ donít want to mess up 2008. However, they have got to do something. Many of the gains are in conserative states won by a wisp, so I doubt the incomming members would want to do something on the extream.

A ban on the "Cop Killer" FiveSeveN :rolleyes: would be much easier to swallow for them then a full AWB I guess - like I know anything.

Buddy Lee
11-08-2006, 07:25 AM
Discuss....

Donít see them going too farÖ donít want to mess up 2008.

I for one never underestimate the stupidity of the elected.

I can only hope that this sends a message to the Republican party. Republican voters are not nearly as forgiving Democratic ones. We will boot your @$$ out of office if you do not adhere to the principles that got you there in the first place.

Now, as far as firearms go: I am looking to start buying a few things. Certain guns, ammo, and accessories. I expect prices to rise, and heaven forbid there is any serious talk about weapons bans and more legislation. Heck, if that happens I might be able to retire just selling what I already have.

Buddy Lee

m1p90
11-08-2006, 08:28 AM
It's time to BUY more guns and not sell them. With the Dems. going to "cut and run" out of Iraq, the terrorist will then attack us here.

Get ready for another attack in the next 3 years. (might even be a nuke)

Doc LC
11-08-2006, 10:38 AM
Agreed. I have been stockpiling hi-cap magazines and limiting my firearms investments to those capable of accepting said magazines (as well as 2 .50 caliber rifles and ammo.) The way I see it, Garands, 98ks, and other vintage collectibles will likely remain available, but a permanent AWB is not out of the question. So much for my SCAR and my M249 semi on the wish list! As for the terrorists, they are probably celebrating more than the neo-COMMs (neo-Communists, like Pelosi and her leftist syncophants) after this election.

EARS
11-08-2006, 10:44 AM
Yesterday's elections are blow to the USA and a victory for the foreign and domestic radicals. Defending ourselves is on the line. If things don't change before 2008, it will only get worse. I hope the citizens of America wake up before it's to late.

Doc LC
11-08-2006, 11:08 AM
Going back to Buddy's earlier post, I wonder how well our principles will serve us with Pelosi as Speaker of the House and Schumer as Senate majority leader. We "sent our message" and have 'honorably' made ourselves into potential airsoft collectors. By "protesting" the lesser of two evils, many Republican ideologues have screwed themselves, as well as the rest of us, by letting the Democrats have a free ride to power. I hope these Republican "protesters" are enjoying their breakfasts this morning.

Buddy Lee
11-08-2006, 11:47 AM
A few points of clarification. Make no mistake I am not happy with the change in control of the House (and probably the Senate). However, the wave that brought the Republicans into control in 1994 was precipitated upon certain ideals, principles, and expectations. The Republicans did well for the first few years. I honestly believe the reduction in national deficits and rise in economic boon times was a result of Republican control and not anything that can be attributed to the policies of Bill Clinton.

That being said, after the 2000 election the Republicans had a prime opportunity for real change once they controlled both Houses of Congress and the Presidency. They wasted that by trying to "buy" votes and compromising their ideals. In other words they began to behave like Democrats. They could have accomplished much more than they have. The War on Terror, while a noble and necessary goal, is not enough to carry the Republicans forward. They need to enact the policies that are at the core of their party: physcal conservatism, smaller government, moral values, etc. In my opinion they have failed misserably at these things, and have not provided their core constiuency a reason to keep them in power.

What I think has happened is key. To me it has demonstrated that the Republican Voter does not follow lock-step with their party. The Democrats are much more prone to obtain power for power's sake. That, to me, may be one of the few silver linings in this whole debacle. That is why I hope the Republicans can get the message, regroup, reorganize and come out stronger in 2008.

Also, you do realize I was joking about selling my guns, right? :) Well, mostly. :D

Buddy Lee

Doc LC
11-08-2006, 12:23 PM
Indeed, the Democrats didn't win this election as much as the Republicans lost it. Too many years in power did make them lazy and arrogant. I was at a fundraiser with the former House Majority leader a couple of years ago, and the arrogance (and ignorance of many pressing issues) displayed by some of our "elected" leaders when questioned by the very people who bankrolled their campaigns was astonishing. The only hope any of us have is for the Republicans to wake up and police their own ranks, so we won't have anymore Duke Cunninghams or Tom Foleys lurking around to sabotage the progress we've made these past 12 years. The Dems have their share of crooks, too, but since the media seems to give a free pass to the Bill Jeffersons and Harry Reids among their ranks, they don't have the same problems that the Republicans do. The bottom line is that America has awakened this morning to find itself in deep s**t.

Sabian
11-08-2006, 01:04 PM
I don't think we are going to see radical gun bans right out of the gate - and hopefully not at all. Yes, the core liberal group of the D party are going to want to do something...but they want their power more than they want gun control. I believe they now know how much they have lost in thwe past 15 years because if their gun control policies. I don't see them willing to risk their new opportunities to push the new "hot" topics like stem-cell research, gay marriage, immigration, and social security reform on what they now know is a suicide mission. They want 2008 - they have to be a friend (a least pretend to be) to gun owners in order to accomplish that. After 2008 - no holds barred.

Doc LC
11-08-2006, 01:22 PM
'08 is going to be the nightmare year for gun owners if we don't learn from this election. I agree that gun control is low on the Dems agenda, but it is on there. We will have to be proactive with our legislators no matter what side of the political fence they sit on in order to ensure that our Second Amendment rights are respected more than they have been in the past. A lot of Dems campaigned on a "pro gun" platform this time around, and they need to be held accountable for their promises. Down here, the after-effects of the two hurricanes pretty much shut down any talk of gun control, after the inability of politicians to protect the average citizen was made evident. Everyone wants big, ugly, black rifles around when things get chaotic. One of the stories you don't hear is of how many otherwise law-abiding citizens in the disaster area resisted being disarmed. Hopefully, that is what the public will remember when the whole gun control debate is resurrected.

kamo
11-08-2006, 04:27 PM
most people at my work are all saying that Bush was their determining factor... i didn;t see him on the ballot i filled out

jakk55
11-08-2006, 05:55 PM
Going back to Buddy's earlier post, I wonder how well our principles will serve us with Pelosi as Speaker of the House and Schumer as Senate majority leader. We "sent our message" and have 'honorably' made ourselves into potential airsoft collectors. By "protesting" the lesser of two evils, many Republican ideologues have screwed themselves, as well as the rest of us, by letting the Democrats have a free ride to power. I hope these Republican "protesters" are enjoying their breakfasts this morning.

Um, why would Schumer be senate majority leader? Harry Reid of Nevada is Senate Minority Leader at the moment and it seems that the Democrats will win the senate and he will be upped to Senate majority leader. Harry Reid (even after all of his Bush bashing) is a decent Democrate and has generaly voted with gun owners.
A small ray of sunshine, I know, but one none the less.

m1p90
11-08-2006, 09:30 PM
Doesn't matter. Charles Rangle will be in charge of ways and means and he will TAX US TO DEATH!!!!!!!

jakk55
11-08-2006, 09:54 PM
everybody complains about taxes, i don't get it. If you don't pay taxes you don't get a government, even if it is a lazy, slow, stupid one.

m1p90
11-08-2006, 10:11 PM
UMMMM.... The revolutionary war came about because we were paying the exorbinate amount of 5% and the tax stamp and the Brits were about to take our guns and ammo away. so now we are paying 40% of our hard earned income and the Dems are going to take our guns and ammo away. HMMMMMM.

Doesn't matter anymore. We are going to get Nuked by some terrorist anyway. :)

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY

jakk55
11-08-2006, 11:26 PM
UMMMM.... The revolutionary war came about because we were paying the exorbinate amount of 5% and the tax stamp and the Brits were about to take our guns and ammo away. so now we are paying 40% of our hard earned income and the Dems are going to take our guns and ammo away. HMMMMMM.

Doesn't matter anymore. We are going to get Nuked by some terrorist anyway. :)

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY

LoL
Your crazy the terrorists aren't going to nuke us :rolleyes:....



the North Koreans will.

walter34payton2002
11-09-2006, 01:46 AM
Agreed. I have been stockpiling hi-cap magazines and limiting my firearms investments to those capable of accepting said magazines (as well as 2 .50 caliber rifles and ammo.) The way I see it, Garands, 98ks, and other vintage collectibles will likely remain available, but a permanent AWB is not out of the question. So much for my SCAR and my M249 semi on the wish list! As for the terrorists, they are probably celebrating more than the neo-COMMs (neo-Communists, like Pelosi and her leftist syncophants) after this election.

It may not be a bad idea to stockpile, but they may not be able to do much to guns unless we lose in '08. Remember, many of these new Democrats are very centrist. Many of them are pro-gun and even pro-life, believe it or not. With the slight majority in the Senate, that should all go our way. We still got the White House. So, they will try I know (Schumer was loving all of it), but they may not be able to do us in until '08, if they win.
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

2tall
11-09-2006, 02:13 PM
Like most other gun ownig Californians my warnings about voting for the Democrats went unheeded. Democrats who are "pro gun Democrats" are powerless to go against the party agenda. They will follow orders or find themselves without being appointed to committees or given time to speak on the floor of either house except at 2AM. The agenda will start out low key. Things like voting to join the UN to restrict small arms sales, opening ATFE files for use in law suits, retention of instant check information, licsense for hand guns and some form of AW ban. California gun owners are ridiculed with statements like " Why don't you move to some other state". California gun laws were enacted one little bit at a time until you have our the present situation. One other comment, learn to speak Spanish.

black campbell
11-09-2006, 02:30 PM
I don't think they'll push too much of their anti-gun agenda, but I just don't trust them; and Bush's history of vetoing doesn't give me a warm feeling that he would stop them, if they did try to ran some of their legislation down our throats.

Me..? I'm buying more ammo and mags.

walter34payton2002
11-10-2006, 07:18 AM
Like most other gun ownig Californians my warnings about voting for the Democrats went unheeded. Democrats who are "pro gun Democrats" are powerless to go against the party agenda. They will follow orders or find themselves without being appointed to committees or given time to speak on the floor of either house except at 2AM. The agenda will start out low key. Things like voting to join the UN to restrict small arms sales, opening ATFE files for use in law suits, retention of instant check information, licsense for hand guns and some form of AW ban. California gun owners are ridiculed with statements like " Why don't you move to some other state". California gun laws were enacted one little bit at a time until you have our the present situation. One other comment, learn to speak Spanish.

Well said, guy, and I was thinking along those lines. I will say, though, remember, we still have guys like Bolton representing the US to the UN and they aren't gonna go for that small arms conference crap yet (Dem prez in '08 and watch out though). But your right, the wolf is at the door now. They will be working on it. I mean, did you hear how happy Chuck Schumer was about all this? You are now seeing the names that chilled me to the bone for so long in the forefront- Nancy pelosi, Dick Durbin, Chuck Schumer, you know the names and you said it 2tall, about what they want.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi