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Strangeday
10-20-2006, 03:12 PM
Hi all sorry for being so dramatic but I got this off another board and wondered what you americans might have to say about this.

Tough US Gun Control & Bans Coming
With the coming mid-term elections the Demokrats are certain to take both houses and are most certainly going to take the presidency in 2008 thanks to the Republikan clowns that have been free-loading in Washington for the past 6 years.

The Demokratic National Committee and the Brady Foundation (re: Brady Bill) have announced their 5 year plan for gun control once the US government is back in Demokratic hands.

I was not able to transfer the link to the article but here is the plan:

THE FIVE YEAR PLAN:

1. National Licensing of all handgun purchases.

2. Licenses for Rifle and Shotgun owners.

3. State Licenses for ownership of firearms.

4. Arsenal Licenses (5 guns and 250 rounds of ammunition).

5. Arsenal License Fees (at least $300.00, with a cap of $1,000.00).

6. Limits on Arsenal Licensing (None in counties with populations of more
than 200,000).

7. Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns.

8. Inspection License. (Gun safe licenses, yearly fee for spot inspections).


9. Ban on Manufacturing in counties with a population of more than
200,000.

10. Banning all military style firearms.

11. Banning Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used in a Machine gun.

12. Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but home or target range or in
transit from one to the other.

13. Banning replacement parts (manufacturing, sale, possession, transfer,
installation) except barrel, trigger group.

14. Elimination of the Curio Relic list.

15. Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms. (7.62x54R
and .303).

16. Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession..

17. Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945).

18. Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder which would
constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of ammunition.

19. Ban the possession of explosive powders of more than 1 kg. at any one
time.

20. Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo.

21. A National License for Ammunition.

22. Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components.

23. National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers.

24. Requirements of special storage safe for ammunition and licensing.

25. Restricting Gun Ranges to counties with populations less than 200,000.

26. Special Licensing of ranges.

27. Special Range Tax to visitors. ($85.00 per visit per person).

28. Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges.

29. Banning Gun Shows.

30. Banning of military reenactments.

PLUS:

Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.

Elimination of the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship.

Ban on all realistic replica and toy guns (including "air soft" and
paintball).

The right of gun-violence victims to sue, with financial assistance from
government programs, the gun manufacturers.

Taxes on ammo, dealers, guns, licenses to offset medical costs to society.

The eventual ban on all semi-automatics regardless of when made or caliber.

btown02
10-20-2006, 03:18 PM
Won't ever pass here.

EARS
10-20-2006, 03:31 PM
Even in New York, it will never pass. We have some of the strongest gun in laws the US.

Doc LC
10-20-2006, 04:03 PM
Personally, I've noticed that the Dems are actually quiet about the issue, in spite of the rash of school shootings recently. It seems that many are starting to realize the power of gun owners as a voting bloc, and many pundits have speculated that the Dems vocal support of gun control cost them the White House in '00 and '04. In a tight political year, gun owners represent a huge swing vote for either party willing to court their support. Remember, for most of these political hacks, it's about power, not ideology. If gun owners wise up and get organized effectively, their voices will be heard and power felt on both sides of the aisle. btown and EARS are correct. If the Dems thought it would be politically effective, they would be advertising this scheme at every sound bite. And besides, we often confuse national party policy with local realities when it comes to politics. All of our local Democrats are running on a pro-hunting, pro-Second Amendment platform due to the vast number of hunters and shooters in this area. Supporting any of the above measures would be political suicide down here, and the one thing all of these "public servants" are good at is staying in power. Another thing that gun owners do is constantly concede defeat by convincing themselves that they are politically on the defensive rather than the offensive in this situation. We need to understand the power we do have as voters if we remain focused on on the issue that is most important to us and hold all accountable, regardless of their party affiliation. :soap:

black campbell
10-20-2006, 05:16 PM
The Democratic National Committee specifically recommended disengaging on the gun issue to reduce the likelihood that they'd be voted against. The only guy running on gun issues from the Dems I know of is Bill Richardson, who actually got an A rating from the NRA.

If the Dems get both houses, however, thye'll make an attempt to pass some of this nonsense. And since the president can't seem to veto a bill, I wouldn't be surprised if one or two got through.

rips31
10-20-2006, 05:48 PM
sounds like the people's demokratic republik of kalifornistan.

Wehrwulf
10-20-2006, 08:23 PM
It might get done in 8 yrs . Little here a little there. How long till the goose is cooked?

Megatron
10-20-2006, 08:59 PM
A lot of Demokrats got voted out in '94 after they voted for that retarded "assault weapons" ban and that costed them control of both the House and Senate. Commie boy Clinton himself acknowledged this at his annual State of The Union address in January 1995.

The only way to make sure none of this nonsense ever passes into law is to get out and vote. We can't afford to be close-minded too. That means none of that "I only hunt with my Remington, not some evil black rifle" silliness.

Medula Oblongata
10-22-2006, 08:51 AM
This "plan" has appeared on a number of gun related websites recently, but has shown up nowhere on any anti's site.

It is my opinion that it is a forgery created by someone with the motive to galvanize pro-gun voters and send them to the polls...

Analizing it, it pulls at the emotions of collectors of militaria and "service" rifles.

It also appears to pander to the paraniod with the claims of "special taxes," "county population restrictions", "special classes of citizens," "inspection and storage requirements," etc.

IMHO its utter BS. This is also the general consensus of others I know in Gov't / LE...

Its nothing more than a scare tactic, and I don't particularily care for it.

Sabian
10-22-2006, 08:34 PM
I belive MO to be correct. I've heard this before and no one "official" acknowledges it.

walter34payton2002
10-22-2006, 08:37 PM
This "plan" has appeared on a number of gun related websites recently, but has shown up nowhere on any anti's site.

It is my opinion that it is a forgery created by someone with the motive to galvanize pro-gun voters and send them to the polls...

Analizing it, it pulls at the emotions of collectors of militaria and "service" rifles.

It also appears to pander to the paraniod with the claims of "special taxes," "county population restrictions", "special classes of citizens," "inspection and storage requirements," etc.

IMHO its utter BS. This is also the general consensus of others I know in Gov't / LE...

Its nothing more than a scare tactic, and I don't particularily care for it.

I don't know if it is such a bad thing though. Those who are scared by it should be anyway and that may do what it set out to do-- get voters going to the polls. Whether they know it or not, they would be doing the right thing. Besides, there is more than an almond of truth to it.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

btown02
10-22-2006, 08:38 PM
Its nothing more than a scare tactic
You're right. Something like this in one form or another shows up prior to each election.

walter34payton2002
10-22-2006, 08:45 PM
Personally, I've noticed that the Dems are actually quiet about the issue, in spite of the rash of school shootings recently. It seems that many are starting to realize the power of gun owners as a voting bloc, and many pundits have speculated that the Dems vocal support of gun control cost them the White House in '00 and '04. In a tight political year, gun owners represent a huge swing vote for either party willing to court their support.

Excellent observation, Doc. I have been saying that for some time and Wayne LaPierre points that out too. Those elections were turned by us-- the gunowners of America. They want to pretend it doesn't exist not make it an issue, but I think the NRA will make it quite clear that it is a huge issue. I clearly remember the ads that showed John Kerry putting on camo gear and shooting a shotgun at the range. Then Chris Cox and Wayne LaPierre come out and say, "You see that gun that Kerry is shooting there? He voted to ban that gun! He proceeded to say that "Kerry is the only one who wears camo to be recognized." The one other commercial thay did showed a poodle and then Kerry's face and it said, "John Kerry......That dog don't hunt (picture of poodle). Swing voters are my worry as it seems people want a change and don't necessarily care one way or the other about the gun issue.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

btown02
10-22-2006, 09:33 PM
Those who are scared by it should be anyway and that may do what it set out to do-- get voters going to the polls. Whether they know it or not, they would be doing the right thing.
Using scare tactics to get people to vote would put us right up there with the ones trying to take the guns. A lie is a lie no matter how it is used. We as a group should not try and scare anyone to the polls with false information, we should educate and get them to open their eyes. There is enough bad things out there already working against us that we do not need to use anything that is made up. The truth is scary enough. As always, just my opinion.

jmz5
10-22-2006, 10:08 PM
Using scare tactics to get people to vote would put us right up there with the ones trying to take the guns. A lie is a lie no matter how it is used. We as a group should not try and scare anyone to the polls with false information, we should educate and get them to open their eyes. There is enough bad things out there already working against us that we do not need to use anything that is made up. The truth is scary enough. As always, just my opinion.
good post

EARS
10-22-2006, 10:27 PM
btown2 - As usual, your last commit is right on th money. It does us nothing to lower us to their level, except make as they are. Which is what we a speaking against.

walter34payton2002
10-23-2006, 06:08 AM
Good but I don't believe in using scare tactics based solely on lies. However, in case you haven't noticed, the Brady Campaign IS for inching their way to an outright ban. Anyone who says otherwise is either naive or a liar. Therefore, that exact agenda may not have been FROM them, but it is dang certainly what they want. Oh yeah, and if they do win the House and the Presidency, these are the types of things that will happen. I can literally stack to the ceiling the amount of times they made it quite clear, even though they didn't mean to, that their agenda is to make as many bans as possible until we have an outright ban. So, as I say, there is an almond of truth to that "scare tactic" and I see no problem with what it may accomplish. Oh yeah....and "lowering ourselves to their level?" You'd be hard pressed. Have you seen the lies that machine has put out over the years? I agree that we shouldn't lie. We never needed to lie-- we have had the facts on our side. But my point is that it is true, they just shouldn't have quoted it as coming from them as their official agenda. In that sense you all win. But that IS what they want.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

btown02
10-23-2006, 07:21 AM
Your way of wording things is sometimes just as scary as the list. Keep in mind we have a lot of members and guests that have never owned a gun before and we need to think before typing and then go back and read what we have said. If I were new here and didn't know you that last post would make me think twice about this forum and gun owners in general. A bunch of gun nuts we are not, but are a group of owners trying to inform others about their firearms rights and how to protect them. Just so you will know I am neither naive or a liar.

Doc LC
10-23-2006, 02:49 PM
As gun owners AND informed citizens, we are well aware of the gun ban crowd's ultimate agenda. However, while the antis rely on a lot of phony propaganda to make their "kinder, gentler world" pipe dream seem even remotely plausible, I feel the reason that so many of us here do what we do and spend so much time, interest, and hard-earned cash on firearms, ammunition, training, and related information is because we live in the real world and base our lifestyles on the fact that responsible gun ownership is the cornerstone of both freedom and personal safety. We are living examples of this FACT and should do everything in our power to positively represent our community. By living as examples, we have no need for lies. :SS