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Eric5279
07-07-2005, 11:54 PM
Unfortunatly for me I live in New Jersey and our gun laws here are rediculously tight. I am waiting on a couple purchase permits so I can actually purchase a five seven and a glock 23. Unfortunatly, not to much is legal in this state. After the sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, the state updated its own laws to perminatly ban anything the AWB covered. So that means magazines that have a capacity greater than fifteen rounds are illegal, no pistal grips on shotguns, no teloscoping stocks or any kind on any firearm whehter it be a rifle or shotgun, not shotguns with a capacity over six shells wither it is internal or in a clip or drum, no flash supressors, and the list goes on and on.


I am strongly considering moving out to Pennsylvania because the laws are so much looser there. You can apply for a class three license here, but it will never be honored.

Anyone else from New Jersey that feels my pain? Anyone in genral feel my pain lol.


How are the laws in other states?

Nosferatu
07-08-2005, 12:11 AM
I moved from CA to AZ 3 years ago and haven't looked back. While there is more to life than guns, shooting and gun collecting was a big part of my life. I was unemployed at the time and living in San Jose with no job got old after a year, so when the opportunity came to move to AZ and work for a small holster company, it didn't take much thought to make that decision!

Here, we have easy CIII, shall-issue CCW, no handgun registration, no waiting period, no approved handgun list, no one-gun-a-month law, no mag capacity restrictions, no assault rifle ban, none of that BS.

It's really too bad as CA is such a beautiful state. I do miss it at times, but then I think back to the days of high taxes, high cost of living, crappy gun laws and the idiots that keep getting reelected by mindless fools.

Esteves
07-08-2005, 10:34 AM
AZ also permits (and mostly tolerates) open carry, so a CCW permit isn't as great a necessity.

Freedoms here aren't 100%, but they generally make sense. Bars (and restaurants) that serve alcohol are still generally off-limits, but the school-zone restrictions are written in such a way as to put most firearms transportation at some risk.

Crunge
07-08-2005, 10:49 AM
There are only a few good things I can say about my home state (Kentucky) but the gun laws here are very reasonable.

KY is a shall-issue state so getting a CCW is easy. Even without a CCW, people are allowed to carry a loaded firearm in the glove compartment of their car (although not in the center console, oddly enough.) Bars are off-limits but you can carry in a place that serves liquor as long as 50% or more of their revenue comes from food. This makes sense to me; if I'm running errands and stop in a place for lunch, I don't want to have to consider whether or not they have a liquor license before I go in.

KY has no restriction on the number of guns you can buy in 30 days, there's no waiting period, etc.

As for "crazy" gun laws... if you have a CCW, you're allowed to use deadly force to stop serious injury or death to yourself or someone else, to stop rape, or to stop arson on a building you own. The odd part is that you might see someone setting a school on fire and you can do nothing; if that person then decides to burn down your detached garage, however, you can shoot them. Go figure.

I sometimes carry into neighboring states. Indiana is no problem. Ohio, however... now those are crazy gun laws.

turingmachine
07-08-2005, 07:59 PM
PA is pretty reasonable, although Class III is pretty much hit or miss, depending upon whether the County Sherrif will sign your form 1,3 or 4.

Jado
07-09-2005, 02:56 AM
One of the most informative sites to help understand California's gun laws is Firearms Atty. Bruce Colodny's web site:
http://gunlaw.com/
Although his articles are based on CA law, much of the information
may be relevant for others living outside the state. Bruce always had a table at each Great Western Gun Show at the Fairplex in Pamona before the Los Angeles City Council shut this outstanding gun show down.
Also, the CA AG's Firearms Division site has a great deal of information
in case anyone is thinking of moving to the land of fruits & nuts.
Note the handgun registration requirements if you move to CA.
http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/index.html
I was amazed to see the FiveseveN make it onto the CA approved list.

mjmjr1312
07-09-2005, 03:14 AM
Lucky enough to stationed in virginia w/very gun friendly laws, no registration, no limit 30 day handgun limit(with conceal carry permit), and after a 2 hr class it took only a week to get back my ccw paperwork(I have a security clearance so the backround check took just long enough for the stamp) and I am from Florida which is much of the same

by the way anyone from florida with a ccw permit i have a couple questions if you could pm me

also a GREAT site for understanding gun laws including all the reciprocity agreements is found below I strongly recommend reading it if you plan on bringing a gun with you when you travel to keep yourself out of trouble when crossing a state line. the small diferences from 1 state to the next can lead to alot of problems if you dont pay attention.


http://www.packing.org/

Rnelson11
07-09-2005, 08:10 AM
I live in SC and the gun laws here are very friendly. I can walk into my local gun store and buy as many guns as I like and carry them home. My CCW permit was fairly easy to get just had to take a 1 day course. It did take almost 90 days for SLED to sent it to me. The biggest hassel was getting finger printed. Very few stores have 'NO Handgun' signs so I can carry just about anywhere, accept the nornal places like government buildings and such.

SGTDave
07-09-2005, 10:06 PM
Unfortunatly for me I live in New Jersey and our gun laws here are rediculously tight. I am waiting on a couple purchase permits so I can actually purchase a five seven and a glock 23. Unfortunatly, not to much is legal in this state. After the sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, the state updated its own laws to perminatly ban anything the AWB covered. So that means magazines that have a capacity greater than fifteen rounds are illegal, no pistal grips on shotguns, no teloscoping stocks or any kind on any firearm whehter it be a rifle or shotgun, not shotguns with a capacity over six shells wither it is internal or in a clip or drum, no flash supressors, and the list goes on and on.


I am strongly considering moving out to Pennsylvania because the laws are so much looser there. You can apply for a class three license here, but it will never be honored.

Anyone else from New Jersey that feels my pain? Anyone in genral feel my pain lol.


How are the laws in other states?

yup im from NJ, applied for my yellow card MONTHS ago and still havent heard back. guess i have to go over to town hall and raise a fuss. http://www.fivesevenforum.com/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif luckily my local FFL/Range (and soon to be employer) has been keeping my recent purchases in the back until state gets around to doing its job. where are you in jersey? i got a killer deal on a FiveseveN IOM and he has a few left ;)

compare this to texas where i was stationed before i left the active. walked into a store spotted a norinco sks that had been built into a Dragunov clone (it started off as a higher quality long barrel sk with the machined reciever. has dragunov style composite stock, bushnell sportview 3x-9x scope, trigger stop, and a recoil compensator up front.) brand new, on sale for $200 gave them my ID, got my instant check and walked out five minutes later with an awesome new toy

Eric5279
07-13-2005, 01:25 AM
I am ten minutes west of Toms River. My father belongs to the Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol club, so we pretty much go shhoting whenever we feel the need to since we are fifteen minutes away. Where did you find 5-7s in Jersey? I am looking to get the USG, but if I can get one the older IOMs I will go for that one two. I am waitng on two purchase permits. It have been close to five months now.

Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. Classes started up again today amd work have been madness.

Do you have a .50 cal? I am looking t5o get one of those also.
I was in Dicks Sporting Goods of all places and saw a Moossberg 500 Special Purpose for 259.00. It took every ounce of strength I had to walk away without purchasing it.

Later.

Dieppert
07-13-2005, 10:08 PM
YEA ARIZONA, until recently, I used to be able to go to a drive up window and order a 6 pack and a 357 mag, LOL,, but the owner finally got rid of the beer and went all guns,
but ariz is very lax on gun laws,

SGTDave
07-13-2005, 10:57 PM
I am ten minutes west of Toms River. My father belongs to the Central Jersey Rifle and Pistol club, so we pretty much go shhoting whenever we feel the need to since we are fifteen minutes away. Where did you find 5-7s in Jersey? I am looking to get the USG, but if I can get one the older IOMs I will go for that one two. I am waitng on two purchase permits. It have been close to five months now.

Sorry I did not get back to you sooner. Classes started up again today amd work have been madness.

Do you have a .50 cal? I am looking t5o get one of those also.
I was in Dicks Sporting Goods of all places and saw a Moossberg 500 Special Purpose for 259.00. It took every ounce of strength I had to walk away without purchasing it.

Later.

Hague's range off of 295 on crown point road. after tax my IOM was $810 http://fivesevenforum.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif we also have an IOM availible for rent if you would to try it out. as well as ss192. which .50 are you looking for? theres a good selection on the floor and if they dont have what you want they may be able to order it. tell em Dave Mull jr sent ya ;)

Nightrunner
07-13-2005, 11:46 PM
You have to wait to get a permit to buy a gun in NJ????

SGTDave
07-16-2005, 08:58 PM
once you have an owners permit you can buy rifles any time, pistols however require a separate permit. pistol permit is good for up to four in the same purchase and they are only good for a certain amount of time. no such animal as instant check in the garden state, all this is done by state PD

SGTDave
07-16-2005, 09:01 PM
Hague's range off of 295 on crown point road. after tax my IOM was $810 http://fivesevenforum.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif we also have an IOM availible for rent if you would to try it out. as well as ss192. which .50 are you looking for? theres a good selection on the floor and if they dont have what you want they may be able to order it. tell em Dave Mull jr sent ya ;)

theres one IOM left and all the ss192 is gone cause i bought it ;)

The Deviant
07-16-2005, 11:25 PM
MO is not bad, except for some annoying quirks...

To get a "concealable firearm" you need to get a "permit to acquire a concealable firearm" from your local sheriff's department. It's 10$ per "permit" (and you need one for EACH 'concealable' firearm you want to get (with the exception of C&R).

At least it's instant in all counties except St. Louis City (*its own county) and St. Louis County (*doesn't include St. Louis City), who make you wait for it a week or so. In my county (Jefferson), for instance, you can go to any sheriff's department (even the substations in strip malls) with 10$ and get one in minutes. It's more of a tax than anything else. They run a NICS check on you and all that jazz.

Luckily, we are trying to get rid of the permit to acquire in the next legislative session. It looks promising!

NFA arms are weird though... No suppressors (!!), and no DDs.

You can't own *ANY* NFA arm in MO unless you possess a BATFE license (yes, this includes FFL03 C&R - even though the arm need not be C&R... weird-yes... sensical-no).

Oh yeah, don't take this as legal advice...

mjmjr1312
07-16-2005, 11:28 PM
is a concealable firearm any pistol? kind of sounds like another case of a pistol permit requirement like we used to have in virginia but thankfully is gone.

-Mike

The Deviant
07-16-2005, 11:30 PM
Yup, any pistol qualifies (except C&R). Pretty lame...

How did VA's work, similarly? Was it struck down easily?

(PS: Thanks for the info!)

mjmjr1312
07-16-2005, 11:58 PM
Yup, any pistol qualifies (except C&R). Pretty lame...

How did VA's work, similarly? Was it struck down easily?

(PS: Thanks for the info!)


in VA it used to be any pistol not bought at a gun show required you to drive down to court house fill out a simple 1 sheet form pay something like $5 and wait 15 minutes, not that big a deal but really unnecessary and serving no real purpose

now it is the same instant check as it always was for long guns. anyway first the requirement went away for CCW holders along with the one pistol every 30 days when I was gone on deployment and then right when i got back the requirement went away for everyone, I dont think the 30 day limit for nonCCW is still in efect but am not sure I have had the CCW for a while now and havent delt with that

It did get struck down pretty easily from what i understand, but I wasnt even in the area when it happened so I dont really know what went down for sure.

-Mike

otbexige
07-17-2005, 03:46 PM
Here in New Mexico (Its cleaner than regular Mexico) you can expect no hassle whatsoever. When I moved here I asked the local sherriff about the local gun laws and he said," Welcome to the wild west" Essentially, you can get a CCW at 21. No permits exist, less its for CIII. No waiting period or limit on guns per month. From what I hear, our state is one of the less restricted sites next with AK which has essentially no gun laws.

paul's 5.7
07-17-2005, 10:03 PM
Well, Maryland is not as bad as NJ, but if politicians had thier way we would be disarmed. No chance of a CCP unless your law enforcement. We have a manditory 8 day waiting period on all handguns and assault weapons, 20 round limit on all magazines , manditory registration, that they call volentary, but if you don't, than no gun. You have to watch a very poorly produced saftey video, about 13 minutes long, to get a card to purchase a handgun. The new handgun must come with a spent shell casing and an internal saftey lock, or for 37.50 you can buy a caliber specific chamber barrel lock. Also one handgun a month limit unless you apply for collector status. I never thought the handgun review board would ever approve the Five-Seven for sale in MD, as soon as they did I rushed to my dealer and had him order it for me before they changed thier minds. I had been lusting after one for over two years. Yes all new handguns have to be approved by the board, before they can be sold in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. Our residents are not smart enough to make an informed decission on what guns we should purchase in this state. Even though they reject very few the process takes several months before the gun can be sold in this state. So now you know what we here in Maryland have to deal with. But, it is a great state and has alot to offer.

mjmjr1312
07-17-2005, 11:03 PM
Well, Maryland is not as bad as NJ, but if politicians had thier way we would be disarmed. No chance of a CCP unless your law enforcement. We have a manditory 8 day waiting period on all handguns and assault weapons, 20 round limit on all magazines , manditory registration, that they call volentary, but if you don't, than no gun. You have to watch a very poorly produced saftey video, about 13 minutes long, to get a card to purchase a handgun. The new handgun must come with a spent shell casing and an internal saftey lock, or for 37.50 you can buy a caliber specific chamber barrel lock. Also one handgun a month limit unless you apply for collector status. I never thought the handgun review board would ever approve the Five-Seven for sale in MD, as soon as they did I rushed to my dealer and had him order it for me before they changed thier minds. I had been lusting after one for over two years. Yes all new handguns have to be approved by the board, before they can be sold in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. Our residents are not smart enough to make an informed decission on what guns we should purchase in this state. Even though they reject very few the process takes several months before the gun can be sold in this state. So now you know what we here in Maryland have to deal with. But, it is a great state and has alot to offer.

aside from the 20 round limit instead of ten you guys seem to have it about as bad as it could possibly get, Sorry paul

hard to believe they get away with the registration, even though as long as shops are required to keep records you still have effective registration my local gun shop tried to fight that... heres a link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/584349/posts/

-MIKE