View Full Version : "Cop killer" bullets siezed by security guards at a school in Pisstburgh!

Medula Oblongata
10-14-2006, 12:43 PM
Security guards disarm two Peabody High students
Saturday, October 14, 2006

By Joe Smydo, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pittsburgh Public Schools security officers yesterday scuffled with two Peabody High School students and took a loaded handgun from each of them. One of the guns contained Teflon bullets.

"It was excellent work," school district police Chief Robert Fadzen said.

All 100 school district guards and police officers are unarmed.

A guard monitoring a security camera at the East Liberty school observed the 16-year-old boys leave the building and re-enter through a side door, so he called for another guard to investigate, Chief Fadzen said.

The second guard confronted the youths and asked to search them. When they refused, the guard called for help, Chief Fadzen said.

A scuffle ensued, he said, and guards subdued the students and took a loaded handgun from each of them. One was a .380-caliber pistol, and the other was a .38-caliber snub-nosed revolver with Teflon bullets. Teflon-coated bullets are armor-piercing.

Chief Fadzen said the boys were being held in Shuman Juvenile Detention Center.

It was at least the second gun-related incident in city schools this fall. In September, an unloaded handgun was confiscated from an 8-year-old student's locker at Whittier Elementary School on Mount Washington.

Chief Fadzen said he was still trying to determine why the Peabody students brought guns to school.

Pittsburgh high schools require students to enter through metal detectors at the main doors, but students trying to sneak guests or contraband into a building have been known to prop open a side door or have somebody open one for them.

In February, a guard monitoring a security camera at Perry Traditional Academy on the North Side observed a Perry student open a door to admit two students from other schools. Within 64 seconds, Chief Fadzen said, officials had confronted the trespassers and confiscated a handgun from one boy's waistband.


(Joe Smydo can be reached at jsmydo@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1548. )

Medula Oblongata
10-14-2006, 12:44 PM
Here is my e-mail response to his inane article:

Dear Sir-

I am a Law Enforcement Officer and firearms enthusiast. One of my hobbies is the hand-loading, or home making, of ammunition for my weapons. I consider myself to be expert in firearms and ammunition types, construction, performance, and use. I am a graduate of the Milwaukee School of Engineering with a Degree in Electrical Engineering with a strong minor in Mechanical Engineering. I know what I am talking about when I speak on a subject.

Your article " Security guards disarm two Peabody High students" is full of errors that I would like to point out.

1. There is no such thing as a "Teflon bullet" nor are there any "Teflon coated" bullets currently on the market anywhere in the world.

2. The only manufacturer of "Teflon coated" bullets was a company known as "KTW" which had gone bankrupt more than 20 years ago. The Teflon coating was used as a lubricant as the actual projectile, the bullet, was solid beryllium copper which is very hard and would destroy the barrel of the firearm firing it without the added lubrication. It is the construction of the bullet, NOT THE TEFLON COATING, that caused the bullet to penetrate so well including through body armor. By the way, Teflon is a PLASTIC.

3. The ammunition was only manufactured when a Law Enforcement organization placed an order. None were warehoused or stored anywhere, ever.

4. The real Teflon coated bullets cost the Police Departments $4.00 per round (shot).

5. Never, not once, was a KTW round used to kill a Police Officer ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.

6. According to the Department of Justice, the Teflon coating "has little or no effect on the penetrating qualities of the projectile" and the Treasury Dept. labeling it as "little more than a cosmetic additive."

7. The Purpose of the KTW pistol round was to mimic the penetration capability of a rifle projectile when fired from a pistol. Nearly all rifles chambered for cartridges greater than 22 Long Rifle are capable of firing ammunition that will defeat modern soft body armor worn by police. The standard bullet resistant vest that Police wear is not resistant to all but the most anemic of rifle rounds, and is often pierced by high energy or high velocity handgun ammunition. There is nothing new, nor sinister with the KTW bullet, however through inept and corrupt members of the media it was misnomered "cop Killer" even though the Department of Justice, the Fraternal Order of Police, and more than 600 county and local law enforcement agencies asked that the inaccurate and misleading articles and radio/television spots be stopped.

Sir, all of the hysteria surrounding "Teflon bullets" is pure bunk. They do not currently exist, and if they did, they would be no more effective than most modern high velocity ammunition for magnum handguns, and are certainly LESS dangerous than all but the weakest rifle rounds.

I urge you to check your facts before you publish articles that have glaring inaccuracies lest someone think that you have a political agenda. I personally believe that you are just lazy, otherwise you would have checked your sources, but I may be wrong. You may in fact be a political anti-gun reporter that will take any and every opportunity to attack our constitutionally innumriated liberties.

Prove to me that you are just lazy, not a political operative.

Best regards!

10-14-2006, 12:57 PM
Very good MO. :)

10-14-2006, 01:48 PM
Excellent as ususal MO. Let us know if you hear anything back (I doubt you will though.)

10-14-2006, 01:58 PM
Being that it was a .38 snubbie...I would bet what it was loaded with was Federal Nyclad JHP(or RNL)....soft lead JHP with a purple NYlon coating to keep the bullet from leading up the barrel
like a soft turd. NYCLAD came in a special short barrel load with powders optimized for that use. The police officers dealing with it probley didnt know any more difference than the reporter did(sadly)..."teflon coated armor piercing hollow points" lol...KTW? no, the cases were marked Federal...


10-14-2006, 08:58 PM
Very well written Medula.

Doc LC
10-16-2006, 09:31 AM
The ignorance of those who appoint themselves to "inform" us is staggering. Had one of my freshman students turned in this article, they would have recieved an "F" for citing hyperbole as fact, among other things. MO, you definitely would have earned your "A."
The problem with ignorance, though, is that it is usually paired with a great lack of self-awareness, so I doubt your excellent response to his misinformation will be heeded, let alone a retraction printed. Still, I admire your effort to educate this exalted member of the sacred "press," or at least keep him honest. :cheers:

10-16-2006, 03:01 PM
nice, mo. now we'll see if the reporter has the cojones to retract or rewrite.

10-16-2006, 04:43 PM
Nice job MO. I did not know a lot of what you said there.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

10-19-2006, 06:28 AM
I still find it funny when someone (who should know what they are doing) walks up to me and shows me a mag and says "look what I got to carry". I look down and see 10year old black talon ammo and say "um ok." Next another person walks over who also should know the difference and says "oh those are the cop killer teflon bullets that cut through vests. Then I have to explain for 20min what they actually have and how thye got ripped paying $50-$80 a box for old ammo someone horded and how they are better off shooting the ammo they are suppose to carry.

10-19-2006, 05:45 PM
Igorance of facts, get alot of people killed and/or injuried. Legends are based on little fact and alot of imagination. Black Talons are just one of many legends that do not compare with fact.

10-20-2006, 01:08 AM
Facts rarely get in the way of news reporting.
Facts generally tend to take away any drama that the reporter is trying to generate.

10-23-2006, 12:29 AM
...Just read this for the first time, MO. Very well written. Thanks.

11-01-2006, 01:10 AM
Erros aside, where were the parents in all this? I mean how do these get these guns. I guess because Panzer & I and all of us on the forum are responsible gun owners and lock our guns away from our children, I can' understand how these kids pulls this stuff off.