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drdrewusaf
10-10-2006, 06:48 PM
I don't carry all of the time, but I do when I can. I have no CCW, so, carrying open is my only choice for now. While carrying open, I've been asked twice if I am a cop and have gotten a few dirty looks. When a lady in Walmart asked me if I was a cop, I replied, "No, ma'am." She then told me that I was "brave" for walking around with it on. Thought that was interesting. But, other than that, it's been pretty uneventful for the 8 months I have been on-and-off carrying it.

My carry load is 16 rounds of 9mm federal 124gr hydra shocks. I use a blade-tech "tek-lok" holster.


Does anyone else here carry any of the FNP series open?




Drew

btown02
10-10-2006, 07:05 PM
While open carry might be legal in certain areas of the Country, it may not be the smartest thing to do. If a BG is going to do something, who do you think his first target will be? CCW gives you the option in times of trouble to pause and look things over a little and see what if any action you should take. Just because you can carry open does not mean you should. Think it over.

GV00
10-10-2006, 07:09 PM
On the other hand, if more people carried openly, the same BG might realize just how stupid whatever stunt he was going to pull really is.

btown02
10-10-2006, 07:15 PM
Maybe. It might also mean more people doing open carry get mistaken for a BG and get themself shot as a lot of plain clothes Cops do when jumping in the middle of crimes in progress. The responding Officers just see a person with a gun. We're not required to let the other person get off the first shot and during all the excitement if the gun barrel starts to move, well all I can say is tough luck.

Esteves
10-10-2006, 07:27 PM
I've carried the FsN openly in AZ. When packing openly I try to dress in monochrome: black jeans, black shirt, black shoes, black belt, black leather holster - and I've had conversations with people that did't reallize that I was armed until after the fact. Not everyone is that oblivious, though.

I'll echo the "just because you can, doesn't mean that you should" caution. AZ is very CCW friendly, and having one definitely improves the options available.

jmz5
10-10-2006, 07:27 PM
While open carry might be legal in certain areas of the Country, it may not be the smartest thing to do. If a BG is going to do something, who do you think his first target will be? CCW gives you the option in times of trouble to pause and look things over a little and see what if any action you should take. Just because you can carry open does not mean you should. Think it over.
+1 i agree :)

rips31
10-10-2006, 08:40 PM
here in kali, unless you're uniformed leo/guard, open carry means you get a trip to jail, as you'd be considered 'brandishing' a firearm/weapon.

Medula Oblongata
10-11-2006, 12:21 AM
I have several conflicting opinions regarding open carry.

having lived and worked LE for both the State and Tucson, I can say that I always look twice at people openly carrying, but then I have to remind myself that there's nothing against doing it. Most of the people open carrying fall into 3 catagories:
1. Old men
2. Business men
3. Family men

All of them don't exactly fit the bill of "armed criminal" so after I look to see what they're carrying, and that there's nobody bleeding anywhere near them I went on my merry way. So for awhile I was of the opinion that open carrying really was a waste of MY time, that is when people had exposed firearms it took time from my day, because I felt the need to watch them. What I forgot during that time was I needed to be watching everyone else, just as hard, too.

Then I had an apiphony! The guys openly carrying are obviously NOT hiding anything because they know that every cop in the world is going to look at them heavy. I also realized that there were a certain type of person that would actively seek to leave the area when an oxposed carrier walked in. That type of person was always of the suspect variety.

Then I saw an open carrier take 3 bullets in the back of the head at a grocery store in Gila Bend. The robber at sentencing stated he shot the carrier because he saw the gun while he was walking around and wanted to be the only armed person in the store... so he walked up behind him and POWIE! So I then changed my opinion of open carry to dangerous practice.

Then about a year later I was camping with my family at Mt. Lemmon and a bunch of bikers showed up and started to make lots of noise. So being a nice guy I walked over and asked tehm to be quiet. They became dangerous, started to tell me that there were 8 of them, one of me, and my wife looked "tasty." Then out of the blue walk three other campers, all sporting BIG revolvers on their hips. They didn't even need to pull them out, the mere presence encouraged those brutes to get on their hogs and ride off into the sunset. After they had left I pulled the KelTec P3AT out of my pocket and wondered if I had to pull it if those Bikers would have even noticed, or cared. Probably not, I decided. So I walked back to my truck, loaded the family, and drove to my townhouse in East Tucson (Off Pantano Parkway and 29th, the Rolling Meadows townhomes) and got my biggest, ugliest, revolver and strapped it on. It is a Model 29 with an 8" barrel.

So once again I had to reevaluate my ideas about exposed carry. There are some places where its probably not a good idea, venues with lots of people where one could easily have it snatched. Places like that are perfect for CCW, but just walking around town, and especially in the "wilderness," Exposed is the way to go. You can carry a bigger, more powerful weapon and get to it much faster. And it makes that late night encounter with "lost" hikers that bumble into your camp a little more comfortable, well at least for me.

I was stopped once by a Phoenix PD off of Grand Ave and asked if I had a "permit" to carry exposed... Looking at him like he was a dumbass, I saod "no, do you have one for yours?" He snorted and said he was a "copper." I asked him how he knew I wasn't. "Good point, I just moved here from New York." So we had a little talk about the carry laws in AZ. Good conversation. We ended up going to the range together. Then out of the blue one day I was doing an investigation when I got a call over the MDT that Phoenix PD was involved in a running gunfight on I-10 near my position, so I jumped in the fray be stop sticking the intersection. Long story short, the BG was being chased by my shooting buddy. When we first went to the range, he couldnt' hit a staddard 25 yard bullseye target even once AT 15 YARDS. When we were done, he was shooting everyting within the 7 ring. Not perfect, but good enough for center mass..

Not sure how I got onto that subject. Anyway. I think that there is a time and a place for both CCW and exposed carry, and a prudent person needs to know the difference. But I personally have nothing against it, and I believe that more people need to excercise that right. Remember what old TJ said: "A liberty unexcercised becomes a liberty lost."

black campbell
10-11-2006, 01:08 AM
Up until two years ago, open carry was the law here in NM. I still prefer to carry openly. I just don't like leaving the 57 exposed when riding the Triumph, so I usually conceal the PPK under the riding jacket.

Gotten a lot of comments on the FN -- from "hey, that's cool!" to "Why do you carry a gun?" to "why do you have that? It's a cop-killer round..." (from an NMSP officer.)

drdrewusaf
10-11-2006, 09:18 AM
Wow, I didn't think so many people on a firearm forum would have opinions that are not in favor of open carry. However, I can understand where those opinions are coming from.

It's not that I don't have a CCW, I do, but its no good here. I found it interesting to be able to open carry, so I thought I would give it a try...test the waters. I enjoyed it, so, now I do it from time to time. Now, I can see some of you thinking, "Walmart? Grocery store? Why the heck was he carrying there?" The answer to that is gas prices...I combine a lot of trips, so while I'm at the range and my brain decides I need milk, I'll go get it. Or in the Walmart case, I was on my way to the range and had to pick up some ammo.

I still plan on getting an AZ legal CCW, but money and time are short. I will get it when I can. Until then, I'll be carrying open when I can. You're right, it's not "just because you can, you should." It's because its my right, I will exercise it in moderation. Just like voting, I don't do it all the time, but when I can/I'm supposed to, I do.



Drew

Esteves
10-11-2006, 12:42 PM
here in kali, unless you're uniformed leo/guard, open carry means you get a trip to jail, as you'd be considered 'brandishing' a firearm/weapon.

I hate it when lawyers and judges re-define the meaning of simple words:
From M-W.com
Main Entry: 1bran·dish http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?brandi01.wav=brandish'))
Pronunciation: 'bran-dish
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English braundisshen, from Anglo-French brandiss-, stem of brandir, from brant, braund sword, of Germanic origin; akin to Old English brand
1 : to shake or wave (as a weapon) menacingly
2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner
synonym see SWING (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/swing) http://www.m-w.com/images/pixt.gif

drdrewusaf
10-11-2006, 02:21 PM
I don't know, the sway of my hips can be pretty menacing. :rolleyes:



Drew