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Abby
10-04-2006, 04:17 PM
I'm not sure if anyone else watch the show lastnigt.... BUT during a Raid on a BG/GB/ Dealers house the found guns(what a surprise) and Black Talon "Cops Killer Rounds".......


Who trains these guys? :soap: Black Talons are NOT Cop Killer rounds..Not coated in Teflon..or Any other Magical Material that would go thought a vest.
And the funny thing is these guys probably carry Ranger SXT rounds in there pistol. Oh S..X..T... stands for Same Xact Thing.
it is just very sad that the "trained" proffesionals said things on a TV show that are lies!!!!! Oh and someone should tell them that their vests aren't actually bullet proof ...only center mass is ..with standard rounds!!!! :machinegu

btown02
10-04-2006, 04:22 PM
It's sad but most Cops are not gun people. They see the gun as a tool of the trade and carry one because they have to(more of a problem with the younger Officers). Swat guys may be a little better trained in tactics but that still does not make them gun people. And even guys that I would call gun nuts sometimes will amaze you to how little they know about ammo and the types of ammo. You can see that in some of the older posts on here about the 5.7x28 round and the .223.

EARS
10-04-2006, 04:56 PM
I know several guys (dealers) that do not know much if anything about the guns, ammo, accessories, etc. They sell, but really don't know what they are selling. Why would LEO be different? Remember, they know what they have learned through training. Training varies greatly from department to department, much less state to state, etc. That doesn't make LEO poorly trained.

jmz5
10-04-2006, 05:01 PM
sam thing is true at the state police barracks here, i am friends with most of the officers and some of them shoot every week while others only shoot when they have to qualify and thats it. and they used to be clueless about the 5.7x28

p99guy
10-04-2006, 05:10 PM
The KTW armor peircing pistol ammo, only had the teflon coating to protect the bore of the pistol from the solid copper bullet...had nothing to do with terminal effect on the target end. It was only made when a police deptament purchased some, never stacked in a warehouse, was about 4.00 a shot, couldnt be purchased by an individual police officer or citizen, was never used to kill a policeman...not even once. It was just a weak excuse to enact further legislation.

Texas SWAT is innaccurate/over the top, on a lot of things...SKS assault rifles lol, calling a SKS a AK47 etc.
I dont even bother watching it ( its so corney it should have John Walsh doing his bit in it)

Hah! Hah!!!a cop killer butterknife...gramma 's going to jail.

Medula Oblongata
10-04-2006, 09:15 PM
I was playing with my fiveseven last night at an indor range in Omaha when one of the patrons took his own life three lanes down from me..

Sad.

But what was worse was when OPD responded and wanted to search everyone on the firing line. 2 arrests were made because people had "cop killer" ammo in their AR-15's they were sighting in for deer season. The "cop killer" ammo? 55grn FMJBT... Standard BALL ammo.

Long story short, I was in court this morning at the arraignments. Of course there wasn't enough evidence to prefer a charge, let alone bind them over for trial, but if the defense witness (ahem) hadn't brought samples of AP, BALL, Spitzer, all cut in half to show the difference, they would have been tried for some make believe crime.

The prosecutor knew NOT what the law was regarding AP ammo, nor did the police, apparently everyone thought (including the Judge) that posession of AP ammo by a citizen is illegal... Tragically sad...

Anyway, I got a ration of crap by OPD homicide because I was shooting ball ammo (55grn FMJBT) from my Five-seveN...

I think it should be a requirement for any Peace Officer to take firearms familiarization courses so that they don't look like asses when interviewed on TV.

Oh, an P99: Forget about John Walsh, get John Bunnell, he's even more funny!!!

jmz5
10-04-2006, 09:21 PM
that sux, at least they didnt make up some other charge to nail you or the other people with, the bad thing now is that you will probably be on their shit list.

Doc LC
10-04-2006, 09:45 PM
I usually have some unusual toy(s) at the range and often find myself giving improptu lessons to a lot of our local LEOs. Carpenters use tools, too, and their hammers rarely miss. If I'm using a tool to save my own life, you better believe I will be as good as I can possibly be with that particular tool, whether it's a slingshot or a 155mm howitzer.

walter34payton2002
10-05-2006, 11:33 AM
WOW, MO, that is some crazy s***. Good that it worked out ok. Do they know that it was a suicide or could it have been some sort of accident? Unbelievable the events that occurred thereafter. A shame really.
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p99guy
10-05-2006, 12:00 PM
gun ranges are notorious for suicides, most indoor ranges in major cities have had that occur one or more times if they have been open any lenth of time.

MDH65
10-05-2006, 04:59 PM
P99guy
What indoor ranges do you use in Cowtown?
I've been going to TargetMaster in Garland and DFW Gun Range in Dallas.
TargetMaster is cheaper but the facilities aren't near as nice. Especially in the heat of our Texas summers.

p99guy
10-05-2006, 05:21 PM
1.Winchester Gallery & range, east loop of 820 and Lancaster street in fort worth.


2.There was a small indoor pistol only range(may still be open) Fort worth shooters supply, on 28th, just off of I35W

3.Elk Castle gun shop on the west side of Fort Worth has a indoor range too, I20 west, cherry lane exit, stay strait (westbound)on service road approx half mile.

4. Bass Pro shop In Grapevine has a range...open off and on(it burns down sometimes because they dont clean the accumulated unburnt powder out of the range and it sets the sound proofing on the walls on fire)

kamo
10-05-2006, 05:23 PM
I goto Alpine Gun Range in Kennedale, Bullseye in Duncanville, and sometimes this one in Las Colinas or Luna Road.

p99guy
10-05-2006, 05:30 PM
Alpine is an outdoor range however...he wanted Indoor

kamo
10-05-2006, 05:37 PM
Bullseye is good and they allow rapid fire.

MDH65
10-05-2006, 05:53 PM
Indoor/outdoor doesn't really matter on a good weather day. Prefer not too much wind though.

I didn't know that Bass Pro had an indoor range. They are very close to where I work. One of the restaurants nearby, want say which one.
Am probably going to Bass Pro later today. Need to refill my 12g stock.

Medula Oblongata
10-05-2006, 06:05 PM
I have hard of a number of suicides at ranges that had rental guns. I even had a friend that was an armored car driver that had a second job at a gun store that had a guy walk in and ask the salesmen to shoot him. Long story short, he said that if they didn't shoot him, he was going to pull out a piece and shoot them. The owner of the store pepper sprayed him and called the Po-lice. Two weeks later after being discharged from the hospital, he walked in and shot himself in the head at the register, splattering his brain matter all over a girl scout troop that had come in to shoot for the first time..

I was commenting on the idiot patrolmen and investigators that didn't know the difference between ball and AP, and the laws pertaining to it. Thankfully webnesday is my normal day in court, so it was no difficulty in being there, although one defense atty. tried to have a case dismissed because I was at an arraignment testifying about ammo types, instead of his courtroom for a trial. It almost worked too, until the prosecutor found a technicality and was able to get a continuance, postponed until NOV 1...

2tall
10-05-2006, 09:31 PM
We have had two suicides at our local range in the last eight years. The last one was a woman who was with her BF. They had been at the range before. None of her friends or family suspected she was suicidal. The range requires two people to a booth if one or both use rental guns. When you factor in the number of people using public and club ranges the number of fatalities is very small. That may sound cold hearted but I am a realist.

rips31
10-06-2006, 05:10 PM
most ranges here require either 2 ppl or a shooter to bring in their own gun, if they want to rent a gun. i suppose it's for the suicide thing, as you'll either have someone to stop you or you could have already done it yourself.

Prometheus
10-16-2006, 10:05 AM
I've seen one episode before... Talk about a bunch of clowns.

Same thing in that episode, they found a ruger 10/22 'assault rifle with a fully loaded bannana clip ready to rock'...

In the next scene they were going to aother 'drug house' and I was hoping they would take one or two of their own guys out when the 'pulled' the front door.

It seems their solution to everything is using a chain tied to the bumper of their APC.
:rolleyes:

Medula Oblongata
10-16-2006, 01:42 PM
...and I was hoping they would take one or two of their own guys out when the 'pulled' the front door. :rolleyes:

Hardly appropriate... Statements like that are better reserved for other forums where cop bashing is tolerated, it is not here... :rolleyes:

Prometheus
10-20-2006, 02:03 AM
Hardly appropriate... Statements like that are better reserved for other forums where cop bashing is tolerated, it is not here... :rolleyes:

You mighht as well quote it in context
Same thing in that episode, they found a ruger 10/22 'assault rifle with a fully loaded bannana clip ready to rock'...

In the next scene they were going to aother 'drug house' and I was hoping they would take one or two of their own guys out when the 'pulled' the front door.

It seems their solution to everything is using a chain tied to the bumper of their APC. :rolleyes:

Turns 'cop bashing' into JBT bashing. There is a distinct difference between peace officers and JBTs.

bulletguy
10-20-2006, 02:52 AM
What exactly is a JBT? :confused:

I'm not for cop bashing either, but it sounds like the SWAT team members have no problem with creating situations where their teammates are in danger of injury.
I was under the impression that the best method of forced entry was the 2-man battering ram, not using a truck to yank the door outwards, creating shrapnel and and a delay in the entry.

I haven't seen this show, what channel is it on?

Medula Oblongata
10-20-2006, 05:21 AM
Turns 'cop bashing' into JBT bashing. There is a distinct difference between peace officers and JBTs.

This board tolerates neither. We do not believe that there are JBT's anywhere outside of Congress and State Legislatures, with the possible exception of some City Councils. I would highly recommend that you not continue on this course of discussion. Reserve comments such as that for places like ARF.com, THR, Glocktalk, etc.

That is unless you need one of these, then we'll overlook you...

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btown02
10-20-2006, 07:47 AM
I think this thread has went on long enough. Prometheus, caution is a good word when it comes to some things here.