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walter34payton2002
09-15-2006, 02:24 AM
I have been thinking about this lately and I believe I have the answer. I am in many gun forums and always see a lot of different quotes. It got me thinking about this topic. The answer to the question is Thomas Jefferson. He was, without doubt, the greatest president of them all.

First, he was the author of the Declaration of Independence. But more than that, he got it. He just had it all figured out. Look at some of his quotes. They all stress so emphatically the importance of bearing arms and of freedom in general. What he said still has no less validity then than it does today. He also knew the media were liars, but knew that their rights were invaluable. He focused a great deal on tyranny, sometimes forgotten today (Rebecca Peters, Sarah Brady, Michael Barnes, Bloomberg, ect). I think Jefferson understood the dynamics of humanity, government, religion, and true freedom more than any other these eyes have seen. Here are some of his quotes, among many.

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state."

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.

Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.

For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.

I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it.

I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.

I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock.

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks.

No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms (within his own lands or tenements).

What is your opinion? I don't think that any other president understood it all like Jefferson. He knew what was important and was freedom's steel. Here is a link to more of Jefferson's quotes http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html.
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

Medula Oblongata
09-15-2006, 03:06 AM
While TJ definately was a good president, I have a far better canidate in mind.

Without this president we wouldn't have:

The "Bill" job

Bimbo Eruptions

Steam cleaning of the oval orifice

The definition of the word "is"

Aspirin factories in Sudan (demolished)

Forgiveness of student loans to Democratic party official's children

White Water

Kenneth Star

Hillarycare

A failing economy

An unusually top-heavy military (all puns intended)

Apologized for bombing Nakasaki and Hiroshima

A trade deficit with Japan that is twice the GDP of Canada

A trade deficit with China that is greater than the 3rd, 4th, and 5th largest economies in the world combined

Unarmed SS agents at the White House (pre-9/11)

The Brady Bill (to disarm Americans)

BICRA (the Bi-partisan campaign reform act, or Incumbent protection act)

8M more welfare moms

13M more governmentally funded abortions per year world-wide (remember, planned parenthood has been EXPORTED)

The removal of monuments to war dead from public property when ANY religion is refrenced

The increase of the national park system by 12M acres (all of which were above low-sulfer coal deposits that could me mined and refined into gasoline at less cost than oil well drilling. Incidentally, the only other low sulfer coal deposits in the ENTIRE world are in Jakarta Indonesia, on private property owned by Clinton a Clinton campaign supporter who later pled guilty to attempted bribery of the President and illegally donating $15M to their campaign)



etc. etc. etc.

Yup, Bill Klinton has got to be the greatest president of all time... :MM

walter34payton2002
09-15-2006, 05:02 AM
Well if you think he was good, your gonna love Hillary. If the Libs have their way, that's just what will happen too. Can you just imagine some of her accomplishments? I can see it now....."In my 4 years we have eliminated guns as a form of self-defense through treaties with the UN.......We have eliminated gun manufacturers from American soil.....And we made concealed carry a distant dream. We have also managed to cut military spending...ect, ect." Lets just all get out and vote in November.....a lot of prognosticators think the GOP's are gonna lose seats. We can't let that happen or they will have the first step complete.
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

Medula Oblongata
09-15-2006, 05:07 AM
I hope you noticed the sarcasm dripping from every sylable...

TJ was a good president. A close second would be Theodore Roosevelt. A little screwy on the whole national park thingy, but otherwise a fantastic man.

EARS
09-15-2006, 10:50 AM
TJ was a very wise man. To bad he and the founding fathers were not around today to set things straight. Regarding Hillary, the worse part is I think she stands a good chance of wining the election. We're supposed to be 'One Nation Under God". We need all His help to get this country back on track.

walter34payton2002
09-15-2006, 05:18 PM
I hope you noticed the sarcasm dripping from every sylable...

Oh yeah, MO....it was obvious you were kidding around. Mine was sarcastic too cause I know you love Hillary too.
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

black campbell
09-15-2006, 05:29 PM
Well if you think he was good, your gonna love Hillary.

I wouldn't sweat it. She won't even get the nom, should she run. The Dem candidate in '08's gonna be the guy taking the "Clinton stealth campaign" tack: Bill Richardson. He's the only one in the stable that looks moderate; he's not, mind you.

I'd probably go with Jefferson or Washington.

walter34payton2002
09-15-2006, 05:41 PM
I can't argue with that. Who would you go with in your lifetime? I'm 26 so I would go with Reagan.
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

black campbell
09-16-2006, 05:39 PM
Reagan. Worst: Clinton.

Medula Oblongata
09-16-2006, 05:48 PM
Well, I really liked Nixon... But I would have to be PC on this topic and say Reagan.

walter34payton2002
09-16-2006, 11:05 PM
Well, I really liked Nixon... But I would have to be PC on this topic and say Reagan.

You PC MO......Don't tell me that....the sky must be falling! :D (I'm only kidding but I do respect your candor and I am not a big fan of PCness either.)
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

panzermk2
09-17-2006, 09:41 PM
I have to go with the Gipper. I went from a pile of junk tank that made even the ruskies laugh to one that even the Germans praised