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walter34payton2002
09-13-2006, 12:16 AM
I am a private investigator and I recently got an interview for a different investigator job for a company that does insurance claims pretty much exclusively. I don't like insurance cases so much but the hours are better than what I have now. The guy liked me and I had the job. Then he began explaining that we commonly do work in dangerous areas at all hours of the night, as I already know and have done countless times. I am fully licensed and have a class "G" Statewide Firearm License for PI's. After he tells me about the danger part, he proceeds to tell me that "and the use of firearms with us is prohibited. We don't let our guys carry at all, ever." I tried to reason with him for about 45 minutes. It's funny....He said all the same things the anti-gunners say. "Well if there is trouble leave or call the police. You don't need a gun." Yeah right. I have had many a situation where it has been close and my boss has had shotguns pulled on him. He must have thought he was talking to a rook. Unbelievable. He kept pointing out that "in all his years he never needed one, so I wouldn't." Well, in all my years I never used a seatbelt and I never had an accident, so you don't need seatbelts either, right? Great logic a**hole. I left after I told him I am a NRA member and Second Amendment rights worker and I will never let any man tell me I don't have the right to protect my life when the state of Florida and the police departments have my back. F*** him and his company. I didn't take the job. Does anyone have an opinion here?
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

Medula Oblongata
09-13-2006, 12:55 AM
YOU DID THE RIGHT THING!!! He's little more than an insurance company toadie apparently. He's probably insured through the same company that he does investigations for. They would rather pay 30k in hospital bills and workers comp than defend a wrondgful death claim were you to have to defend yourself against a wacked out psycho.

GOOD FOR YOU!!! You have my deepest respect for walking up to your convictions.

It never matters what you say to others. What really does matter is what you actually do when no body is watching. You held firm to your convictions when the economic incentives were there to do otherwise. You could have easily taken the job and carried anyway, but that would be wrong, and two faced. You said "no, I don't want your job if this is the way you are." You could have easily BS'd the guy and taken his money.

If you had, that employer would think you could be bullied, and would probably treat you like crap. If more people stand up to a-holes like that, he will have to change the way he does business, or go out of business.

CONGRADULATIONS!!!

Megatron
09-13-2006, 04:33 AM
Like M.O. said, you did the right thing by not taking that job. That jackass probably never had to work in dangerous areas.

GV00
09-13-2006, 04:33 AM
Agreed. I wouldn't have taken the job either -- that's BS. You made the right call.

Luckily I work in a _very_ gun-friendly company. There's virtually no risk of any situation that would ever warrant the use of a firearm, either. However, it does make for fun talk at the shop. :D

jmz5
09-13-2006, 10:30 AM
i also agree

p99guy
09-13-2006, 11:13 AM
you did the right thing, had you agreed to it after voicing your convictions to him..you would have been his doormat.

I as a peace officer even, have been in that position working off duty gigs...some of which
want you to do something just as potentualy dangerous as anything you do on patrol
but thinks you shouldnt carry a firearm....Im like you nobody is going to tell me I cant
when I am a sworn officer of the law, and the law authorizes it, and deptmental policy mandates it....I just have to tell them im not the guy you need then...good luck.

EARS
09-13-2006, 12:01 PM
You diffently did the right thing. I'm a private investigator also and run an Alarm Response Service. I never know what I may find or run into. 60-75% of my responses are with out Police response. I even had a punk draw and point a gun at me on the street, because I was driving by a drug deal that was currently happening. My car looks similar to an unmarked local police vehicle. I guess he thought I was one of the local PD. To say the least you never know what is going to happen today. If you have a handgun, you need to carry it all the time (legally of course). When you lose what appears to be a good opportunity, a greater one always comes along if you stand for your character, rights and what is legal.

whitetiger7654
09-13-2006, 12:48 PM
Good job. I wouldn't trust my life to Florida cops either. Some of them are good people. But most are just power hungry losers. And Kevin Beary is useless.

btown02
09-13-2006, 12:50 PM
I wouldn't trust my life to Florida cops either. Some of them are good people. But most are just power hungry losers.
You must not know very many Florida Cops. I hope that's the end of the Cop bashing, Florida or any other State.

Nosferatu
09-13-2006, 01:26 PM
You did the right thing and I commend you for standing up for your principles. No job is worth risking your life for.

rips31
09-13-2006, 01:50 PM
+1

Abby
09-13-2006, 02:00 PM
:cheers: To you for doing the ABSOLUTE Right thing...as it as been said in the face of economics! I would / could stand beside you knowing you Heart and Mind are in the right place. (on the handle of a 45..LOL)

Again Good job keeping your cool and saying "NO Thanks " on the job!!!!!!

walter34payton2002
09-13-2006, 09:01 PM
Thanks guys for the responses. Yeah....I guess I did...I just don't feel right at all out there in a different neighborhood every night, most of which are very seedy, without my firearm. Believe it or not people just don't like it when a car is parked outside of their house for 8 or 10 hours (I'm not parked in front of the subject's house, of course, but I am parked in front of someone's with a view of the subject house). Just imagine how this goes down in the hood. They just love when strangers sit in their car this long and do surveillance. No sir. I carry as a civilian all the time where legal and I won't risk my one comfort for some company's bottom line. Thanks for the input. This thing really upset me, but it is what it is. Back to the drawing board.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

anoldsman
09-14-2006, 02:28 PM
I also think that you did the right thing. Maybe that the interviewer has been behind a desk too long.

whitetiger7654
09-14-2006, 03:15 PM
You must not know very many Florida Cops. I hope that's the end of the Cop bashing, Florida or any other State.

Actually I know quite a few. That's why I have no faith in them. Then add that to the few dealings I've personally had with florida cops. Makes me have even less faith in them.

btown02
09-14-2006, 03:18 PM
Actually I know quite a few. That's why I have no faith in them. Then add that to the few dealings I've personally had with florida cops. Makes me have even less faith in them.
Then I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself. We don't need or want those kind of comments on here.

Medula Oblongata
09-14-2006, 03:39 PM
Actually I know quite a few. That's why I have no faith in them. Then add that to the few dealings I've personally had with florida cops. Makes me have even less faith in them.

Perhaps you didn't know (or you do and just don't care) that this is a PRO LEO board with many of us here being current, former, or retired lawmen.

When you cast blanket judgements about LEO's in general because of your narrow experience with a few, it tends to make the blood boil.

Perhaps you have had bad experiences with LEO's in Florida because of your obvious attitude problem. I would suggest that you keep your anti-social attitudes to yourself, or take them to another board where they will be welcomed. They are NOT welcome here.

This thread was written by a friend of mine to seek commentary as to whether or not he did the right thing in refusing a job, and no where included any Florida cop bashing... That is until you showed up. Perhaps the reason you have had bad experiences with Florida Lawmen is that you stick your nose in where it doesn't belong and try to stir up crap...

btown02
09-14-2006, 03:50 PM
Thank you Sir.

EARS
09-14-2006, 06:21 PM
btown & MO - I thank you both. You spoke for everyone here. Whitetiger I hope you take a close look at your words and attitude. They both need adjustments.

sraynor
09-14-2006, 07:20 PM
btown & MO - I thank you both. You spoke for everyone here. Whitetiger I hope you take a close look at your words and attitude. They both need adjustments.

+1

jmz5
09-14-2006, 07:21 PM
+2

walter34payton2002
09-15-2006, 01:22 AM
Yep, thanks MO....right on. I was saying that Florida cops have always had my back and all the PI's I know, as well. We always do a call in when on scene with local law enforcement and they help out where they can-- never had a problem yet. You were also dead-on again when you mentioned the "wrongful death suit" stuff. It's all a liability thing with this guy.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi