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SwatDude
09-07-2006, 03:08 AM
North Hollywood Radio Traffic. This is why cops need armor piercing rounds.

http://harrymarnell.com/media/nohosample.mp3

Gives me goose bumps everytime!!!!

btown02
09-07-2006, 08:30 AM
North Hollywood Radio Traffic. This is why cops need armor piercing rounds.

They could have had P90's and SS190, or even a FiveseveN or two on the road, if their Department heads didn't have their heads up the ol' butt going on.

tanker301
09-07-2006, 08:34 AM
Where was this incident at? Responding officer needed to keep his head a bit more while under fire. I'm sure intense fire by three AK's is tough but one should not make it worse by paniking. If any of you guys on this forum LEO's I would highly advise you get yerselves a "blow out kit" and make sure it's got Qwik Clot in it! I carry my kit everywhere and I'm not a cop. You just never know so always be prepared. And yes, if this PD was carrying 5.7x28MM side arms the could of done a better job of bringing the fight to the purps. Hope there were lessons learned and all LEO's came out o.k.

btown02
09-07-2006, 08:38 AM
That was the North Hollywood shootout, and the only people that died were the bad guys. As for keeping your head, untill you've been in a gunfight don't judge. Those guys had a right to be yelling. :) The only Officer I've ever heard that was calm on the radio during a gunfight was a motorcycle Officer in Jacksonville who was taking fire, rounds hitting his bike, and he sounded like he was out for a Sunday ride. :D

p99guy
09-07-2006, 09:55 AM
http://harrymarnell.com/officer.htm

For 9.99 you can get a 42 minute CD of the whole thing...I just ordered one.

Odessa
09-07-2006, 10:04 AM
I remember that shootout clearly. Didnt live too far away and it was wild. Officers had to go to a local gun store to stock up.

p99guy
09-07-2006, 10:06 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/49383528@N00/sets/1651545/detail/

Bullet holes still remain in the bank and neiborhood(see above link)


Google earth SAT pic of the area
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/162008/page//vc/1

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/293/shootout1nl8.jpg

According to Commander Scott LaChasse of the Los Angeles Police Department's (LAPD) Criminal Intelligence Group and Lt. Tom Runyan, Commanding Officer of the LAPD SWAT, during the shootout at the bank, the suspects fired an estimated 1,110 rounds from three fully automatic AK-47s, a .223 fully automatic Bushmaster rifle, a .308 semiautomatic H&K and a semiautomatic 9mm Beretta handgun. One squad car sustained 57 hits. A sidewalk kiosk, used for cover by officers on the scene, was perforated with 150 bullets.

After the shooting stopped, more than 2,000 live rounds were found in the suspects' vehicle. Drums loaded with additional ammunition were found on the suspects' bodies. Eleven police officers were injured. One officer went down in an exposed area. He was in jeopardy of execution until another officer, defying incoming rounds, drove a squad car to the downed officer and rescued him. Fortunately, none of the officers were killed.

jmz5
09-07-2006, 11:57 AM
i remember the shootout, still gives me the chills everytime when i hear of the cops with handguns went up agains thos armored full auto nutbags

rips31
09-07-2006, 01:23 PM
that's one reason why kali has aw laws and a 10rd mag limit.

SwatDude
09-07-2006, 01:57 PM
that's one reason why kali has aw laws and a 10rd mag limit.

I hope you are being sarcastic :)

I think these two morons were pretty concerned with California Gun Laws that morning when they left the house, as were they with those teensy little laws about not robbing banks or killing cops.

How can the moron bleeding heart liberals look at this incident and conclude that more gun laws are the answer???

I grew up playing with cap guns, going shooting with my dad, and getting spanked with the belt or switch (And I deserved every spanking I got). And I consider myself a well adjusted, kind, law-abiding, contributing member of society. I volunteer with High School kids at my church and I sell AC in Arizona (how much more contributing to the good of man can you get??!!!) My point is, the very same radical liberalism that turns out such freaks like the Hollywood bank robbers is the same liberalism that seeks to remove my freedoms and take my guns. An armed public is a free public. Finally, for the record, I would say that 95% of line level law enforcement shares my beliefs on gun control.

However, on the filip side (Okay, I am ready to be flamed)... I believe anyone that can pass a background check and has no criminal record(petty sh#$ excluded) should be able to walk into a gun store and buy short barrels, 100 round mags, armor piercing ammo, and even fully automatic weapons if willing to pass a more intense background check. I do think that gun show and private sellers have done a poor job of policing themselves when it comes to selling to anyone and everyone. I'm sure the hollywood bank robbers obtained their drum mags and full auto AK parts through these secondary channels. I'm pretty positive they didn't take the time to fill out the correct NFA paperwork for the weopons they had, but someone who is willing to do that, should not be penalized for these A holes, and the process should not be so excruitiating.

Pass laws that make sense, not some stupid 10 round mag limit that defies all logic. Just my 2 cents...now bring it on :D

rips31
09-07-2006, 02:18 PM
actually, no, i'm not being sarcastic. that incident strengthened the resolve of our lawmakers to keep our (kali's) aw laws and 10rd mag limits, as the politicos here think that the more rounds a mag holds, the more babies that can be killed. hahaha. even tho only bg's died here, it makes no difference. heck, kali would ban all firearms, save leo, if they could.

Esteves
09-07-2006, 03:41 PM
The flaw with AWB-type (or NFA-type or GCA-type) legislation is that it negatively affects the larger group of law-abiding citizens, without significantly impacting the actions of anyone that would perpetrate a real crime.

EARS
09-07-2006, 04:49 PM
It reminds me when the cavalry took away the guns from the indians "to keep the peace". Then they no longer had a way to defend themselfs against those "whitemen" that would later attack them. I guess us, have taken the place of the indian. They are taking our guns and/or limiting what we can have to defend ourself.

SwatDude
09-07-2006, 04:51 PM
actually, no, i'm not being sarcastic. that incident strengthened the resolve of our lawmakers to keep our (kali's) aw laws and 10rd mag limits, as the politicos here think that the more rounds a mag holds, the more babies that can be killed. hahaha. even tho only bg's died here, it makes no difference. heck, kali would ban all firearms, save leo, if they could.

The problem with the flawed logic in this is that they can drive 5 hours to Phoenix and buy all the high cap magazines they want from the paper.

GV00
09-07-2006, 04:55 PM
Esteves, you nailed it with that statement.

Gun control laws will stop gun-related crime just like drug control laws have stopped drug abuse -- not much at all. I've no doubt that they do cut back on crime some little bit, but anyone that is serious about such things is still going to obtain weapons to do the job. It's hardly worth the penalty it imposes on average citizens.

I'll admit that I side with SwatDude on this issue. Frankly, I think that if I really, really want, I should be able to buy a P90 and SS190 for it. However, I also think that if I want it that bad, I should be willing to pony up some cash for a special license, as well as pass some _very_ strict background/psych checks, and undergo routine mandatory training and testing with the weapon.

...and yes, I think the Swiss have the right idea.


Oh, and more to the point of the original topic...yeah, I think LEO sorts should really have more options. These things will happen, and wishful thinking that gun control laws will stop it is just going to get a bunch of LEO's killed eventually. From the footage I've seen, the BG's in this incedent didn't seem to keen on actually escaping...they just wanted to shoot stuff up. Imagine what would've happened had they tried to make a real breakout. Those 9mm's just weren't up to the job, they really should have been issued something more potent to keep in the squadcar.

btown02
09-07-2006, 04:56 PM
The problem with the flawed logic in this is that they can drive 5 hours to Phoenix and buy all the high cap magazines they want from the paper.
Yep, and for the honest person be a felon as soon as you cross the State line. Makes a lot of sense don't it.

rips31
09-07-2006, 05:03 PM
The problem with the flawed logic in this is that they can drive 5 hours to Phoenix and buy all the high cap magazines they want from the paper.
you can drive 4hr to nevada and get them from a store. of course, like btown said, you're a felon once you cross the state line. then again, bg's buy their firearms from trunks, so they don't even need to go to a diff area/zip code to get standard cap mags.

eh...they just make it harder for us law abiders to indulge in our hobby. sooner or later, firearms will be illegal in kali. and, if the dems get control of the house/senate, look for pelosi/boxer, respectively, to try and start some federal legislation to have brady-type throwbacks. lol. you will feel our pain.

all your base belong to us. :beat:

SwatDude
09-08-2006, 12:40 AM
sooner or later, firearms will be illegal in kali. :

Time to move to Arizona :cool:

El Cid
09-08-2006, 05:26 PM
Where was this incident at? Responding officer needed to keep his head a bit more while under fire. I'm sure intense fire by three AK's is tough but one should not make it worse by paniking. If any of you guys on this forum LEO's I would highly advise you get yerselves a "blow out kit" and make sure it's got Qwik Clot in it! I carry my kit everywhere and I'm not a cop. You just never know so always be prepared. And yes, if this PD was carrying 5.7x28MM side arms the could of done a better job of bringing the fight to the purps. Hope there were lessons learned and all LEO's came out o.k.
You talk a lot of smack (http://fivesevenforum.com/forums/showpost.php?p=47045&postcount=7) college-boy. Have you been shot at before? Thanks for the advice - not. You throw around terms like "blow out kit" but I bet you have never served in the military or LE. Did you learn that term reading a gun magazine or on the internet? Oh, and here is some advice for you... Qwik Clot has been pulled by Army SF for health reasons. It isn't all it's cracked up to be. But then if you got your tacticool info from a real source you'd know that already.

btown02
09-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Welcome to the forum. Let's keep it civil.

El Cid
09-08-2006, 05:51 PM
Welcome to the forum. Let's keep it civil.
Thanks - will do. :)

btown02
09-08-2006, 05:53 PM
Thanks - will do. :)
Thank you Sir, I appreciate it. Glad to see you stopped lurking and joined in. :D

jmz5
09-10-2006, 02:06 PM
welcome to the forum

p99guy
09-16-2006, 02:24 AM
http://harrymarnell.com/officer.htm

For 9.99 you can get a 42 minute CD of the whole thing...I just ordered one.


I just got it today...well worth getting a copy, it is chilling in spots as the wounded
officers call out on the radio......its moving to anyone that hears it.