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watchmaker
08-09-2006, 04:46 PM
In a previous post, I talked about the use of the Harries technique and its suitability for use with the big Maglite 2 or 3 D and others similar flashlights.
See this link:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179342

I am going to explain how to employ the other useful techniques of using a flashlight with a pistol, especially useful for those flashlights that have a tactical switch.

As many of the members already have a Surefire of two or three batteries with a tactical switch or a similar one of another brand, going from 60 to 200 lumens, I am going to explain the two most popular techniques. One is the Harries which I have already explained in the previous post in using with my BOREALIS 1050 lumens light.

Michael Harries invented this position and it is considered one of the first positions ever that coordinates the use of the flashlight using the two hands.
For using with tactical switch lights (with a switch in the tail), the flashlight is grasped with the left hand around the body and the thumb will activate the switch.
The back of the hands are pressed together and maintain an isometric tension to help control the recoil of the gun. Your wrists will be crossed and the light will be parallel or close to the muzzle of the gun.

THE HARRIES TECHNIQUE

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/crossedwrist.jpg

The Roger-Surefire
Holster maker, ex FBI agent, and competition shooter Bill Rogers teamed up with Surefire to adapt a rubber grommet or washer to the Surefire 6 Z (now available in most combat models of Surefire and copied by others light makers).
The position is also called the cigar position, as you grasp the body of the flashlight like a cigar, with the index and middle finger. The tail cap is resting on the fleshy part below your thumb and a little pressure back on the rubber ring will activate the light (the tail cap button resting in that part below your thumb will switch the light on).
That position will let you grasp the hand shooting the pistol with three fingers of the left hand, and it is the only position that let you use a two-handed grip.

THE ROGERS-SUREFIRE GRIP

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/rogerssurfire.jpg

The Chapman technique
Ray Chapman was the first IPSC world champion. He invented his position for use with the Kel-Lites of the 1970ís (probably the first high quality Police Flashlight) that have a sliding switch on top of the barrel. It is still a great position to use for those that donít want to cross the wrists as in the Harries position when using a big flashlight.
It is well suited for the Maglites and for the modification of the Maglite like my own BOREALIS 1050 lumens.

You just grasp the flashlight as you usually do, with your thumb in the switch and your fingers circling the barrel and you bring it up to index your fingernails with the fingernails of the shooting hand.

THE CHAPMAN GRIP

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/chapman.jpg


And for last a very useful technique called the REVERSE HARRIES that my friend Middlebrook show me recently.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/kevin.jpg


In my other post I have mentioned the old FBI technique which is to separate the flashlight high and away from you in order to confuse you opponent about your position.
Another technique that doesnít offer any support to the shooting hand but it can be very useful when using a pistol with lousy sights (original 1911, Luger, etc) is the one I used more than 40 years ago when I started combat shooting.
It indexes the light on top of my head, letting the light fall on a line from the sights to the target. Even the minuscule back up .380 or the Baby Browning sights gets illuminated using this ridiculous position.

In closing, I would like to say that in my opinion lights with less than 60 lumens are out of the new low light fighting techniques.
For my belt light I will prefer to have a minimum of 200 lumens, using the Surefire C-3 and the P-91 lamp as my favorite.
But if I have to clear a room I prefer a light with more power. My Surefire M-6 with the 500 lumens lamp will do, but I prefer even more lumens to really blind, disorient, and roast my opponent. That is when I use the BOREALIS 1050 lumens light.

I want to show you some pictures that illustrate the amount of lumens you are putting out when using a Surefire Centurion 2 with the 60 lumen lamp, the Surefire M-6 with the 500 lumens, and the BOREALIS 1050 lumens.

THE SUREFIRE CENTURION C-2 (65 LUMENS)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/P-6060lumens.jpg

THE SUREFIRE M-6 500 LUMENS)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/sureeme6.jpg

THE BOREALIS 1050 LUMENS

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/ls.jpg

BEST REGARDS
watchmaker
a.k.a.
black bear

walter34payton2002
08-10-2006, 11:33 PM
Nice post. I have adapted and love the Harries technique. It allows good support to my shooting hand but also keeps the light near the muzzle and parallel. It also "feels" natural.
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jmz5
08-12-2006, 07:59 PM
:goodpost:

p99guy
08-12-2006, 09:37 PM
Watchmaker..I still have a rare bird in my ownership...a Surefire 7Z (rechargable) combat light!

watchmaker
10-14-2006, 09:54 AM
p99guy,

Here is your light, in the middle of the picture,

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/5045/sietezflashlk3.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sietezflashlk3.jpg)

This is not my picture but Al's (size 15) I don't think he will mind that I am posting it.

regards
watchmaker

Wehrwulf
10-19-2006, 06:18 PM
There is a technique that is similar to the Harries . It is different in that you push the finger knuckles into the side of the wrist on your left hand. It makes for a less tiring platform and more stable. Feels like a weaver type hold when done correctly. Not sure what the name of it is.