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walter34payton2002
06-20-2006, 10:52 PM
Hello. We often talk about what gun is the best you ever owned, but what about those we don't talk about. Those "Saturday Night Specials" are a hot political topic in the gun industry. The worst gun I've ever fired (a SNS) was a Jimenez JA 9. A friend of mine, who did not know much about guns, bought it at a gun show thinking he got a great deal. Well, when I saw it I had to laugh. But it wasn't so funny. The dang thing was just dangerous. I warned him but he insisted in taking it to the range. Needless to say I stayed clear of him but I was also tempted to fire it. He put about 50 rounds through it with only 4 or 5 malfunctions (good for a SNS). I decided to give it a test run. I loaded 2 mags (which felt flimsy as hell) and then loaded the weapon. After the first few rounds, the mag dropped out. I checked the weapon, which seemed ok, and then reloaded. I cleared that mag fine and then loaded the other one. Well, to my surprise, the other mag dropped out too! Not only that but the slide jammed in the locked position upon firing a round. It took some effort to free it. Aside from those problems, it was also made of pot metal and felt so cheap. It was a 9mm and had a very sharp recoil-- one that felt like the gun would fall apart with each trigger pull. What a true piece of crap. He got rid of it shortly after due to a time he was at the range and a part flew off (don't know what). Anyway, I would love to hear what your worst ever gun was.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

btown02
06-20-2006, 11:08 PM
The worst was a Glock Model 21. I don't even remember why I bought it. It was to big and ugly and not really good for anything I could think of. The good news was a friend wanted it and got it, and I took the money and got another Sig .45.

madoc
06-20-2006, 11:11 PM
Sorry, I can honestly say that all of the firearms I own are good ones. That said, I was issued an M16A2 in combat training that was either a POS or wanted to shoot something other than blanks - several stovepipe jams (which are great fun when using live rounds durnig a fireteam rush) - probably just needed a really good cleaning. I am pretty much the only person I know that has a "collection" of firearms, so I don't have any crappy gems.

revolver shooter
06-20-2006, 11:33 PM
anybody else out there remember RG guns. I did not buy one, but I was in a gun shop when someone came in trying to sell one in .44 mag. The gunshop owner said he would give him $50 IF it was a trade in, but would not buy it outright.

The unlucky owner looked at me, I said I would take it if he was giving it to me.

They were not even good for a boat anchor.

panzermk2
06-20-2006, 11:57 PM
Never had one, Having a tight budget most of my life I am very picky about what I buy.
Although I did some cross training with some CAV Scouts and spent a week running around in a sandbox with a 16. sand+crappy design= junk that wouldn't even fire blanks, AND I had fully stripped. cleaned and dry lubed.

namekid
06-21-2006, 06:43 AM
I never bought any but a friend of mine bought a Puma lever action 44 magnum and it continues to try to fall apart on him. The magazine tube slips out just enough to prevent feeding the next round. I keep telling him to get a gunsmith to fix it but.....:o)

Madhouse
06-21-2006, 08:50 AM
I wouldn't own an inferior gun, but I shot a buddy's Jenkins 9mm once - holy crap, what a piece of crap.

dse
06-21-2006, 09:50 AM
Never owned one, but shot quite a few, Clerke 1st. Now that is a piece of ......

kamo
06-21-2006, 09:56 AM
This is just me but every glock I have shot was complete poop.

jmz5
06-21-2006, 09:56 AM
jennings .22, talk about a piece of dog crap, lol

Findsman
06-21-2006, 10:52 AM
Out of the variety of firearms I've owned, I've only ever sold one, a Springfield 1911A1 "mil-spec". Sharp-looking handgun, but I was better at hitting the target by throwing the ejected casings than actually hitting it with the bullet itself. Sold it for a CZ-97B and never looked back. The 1911 certainly isn't in the same category as all these little special monsters you guys have described, though it is the worst I had ever owned.

Worst I ever handled would go to one of the Hi-Point 9mm/.40 pot-metal-pistol-specials. I'd never buy one myself, you feel dirty just handling it. Feels heavy, awkward, makes a goofy rattling sound when you shake it--I can't imagine one of those ever working for more than one round. Apparently there's an "upgraded" "match" version they make too. Guaranteed to fire two rounds maybe? Ewww.

NukeDogg
06-21-2006, 10:53 AM
Again, like most of you guys, I would not purchase a crappy firearm. My buddy however, has a Hi Point 9mm pistol. He has owned it for quite some time and still has never cleaned it. The reason for this being that the slide won't come off. I don't know if it is operator error, but even his father, who has been ATF for 15 odd years, can't figure out how to field strip it. I personally have not shot it, but am looking forward to seeing if I will be the one to figure out how to field strip it.

"You have to be High to Point and hit your target!" is what my friends say. Hey, you get what you pay for. A $150 pistol, brand new, should at least raise some suspicion. What an ass.
:beat: :p

jmz5
06-21-2006, 10:58 AM
doh, i almost forgot about the hi-point carbine, that thing is almost as big of a piece of crap as the jennings, haha

Sabian
06-21-2006, 12:30 PM
Kahr P9 - This was an original frame design from I believe 95-96. Great ergonomics and I loved the look and feel. Break down was horrible and Kahr ended up making a special chamber plug that you could use to line things up properly. It would FTF and stovepipe constanly on everything from white box 124 FMJ to Corbon 115 +P. I sent it back twice for repair and they sent it back to me both times and said nothing was wrong. I traded it in on my five-seven USG. Best trade I ever made.

I would love one of the new 45 Kahrs though, but I'd have to push it around a bit first.

jmz5
06-21-2006, 12:33 PM
i dont have any older kahrs, but my pm9 is my ccw, it has been nothing but perfect

Sabian
06-21-2006, 12:38 PM
I've only ever shot the one I owned. Everything I've ever heard/read has been outstanding and all-in-all Kahr really tried to help me, but they claimed they couldn't make it fail. I assumed it was my karma or something so I loaned it to a buddy and he reported the same problems.

tqtran
06-21-2006, 01:17 PM
jennings .22, talk about a piece of dog crap, lol

I agree. I had a Jennings .25 at one time and ...... :beat:

p99guy
06-21-2006, 01:48 PM
Again, like most of you guys, I would not purchase a crappy firearm. My buddy however, has a Hi Point 9mm pistol. He has owned it for quite some time and still has never cleaned it. The reason for this being that the slide won't come off. I don't know if it is operator error, but even his father, who has been ATF for 15 odd years, can't figure out how to field strip it. I personally have not shot it, but am looking forward to seeing if I will be the one to figure out how to field strip it.

"You have to be High to Point and hit your target!" is what my friends say. Hey, you get what you pay for. A $150 pistol, brand new, should at least raise some suspicion. What an ass.
:beat: :p

Hi Point used to be called Stallard arms...and the 9mm/.45acp's brand new were 99.00 and 110.00 respectively....we allways said there was no need to field strip them as they were the modern ghetto version of the WWII OSS "Liberator"....disposable when the first mag was empty.....they were sold here in fine pawn shops that would also sell you ammo by the individual cartridge. The property room was full of them , and later Lorcin's

over the years I have had small problems here and there with firearms I had purchased:
1 Blew up an original Armalite AR7...when well used the barrel nut will unscrew in about 15 rounds.....and case head failure/cracked receiver/broken sideplate/scattered trigger parts/magazine went sailing. This happened with me
even checking the tightness of the barrel nut often.

2 Glock 17 #AF-110 one from the first batch imported...per ATF they had to be shipped in with a "adjustable rear sight"....fell from the desk to the floor and the rear sight went byby/ popped out of the dovetail and couldnt be reinstalled without a special tool...had to send slide to symerna Ga to have a fixed rear installed.

3. Colt Trooper MkIII, trigger broke and dropped down/scratched the heck out of the inside of the trigger guard....colt left me hanging on a spare part.this was a duty gun.

4. 80 series Colt commander, firing pin retainer plate would slide down every 100 rds or so, jamming the pistol up solid...colt again cared less in the 1980's had to get a gunsmith to put a screw in it to hold it in...it came from the factory with really loose tolorances in the cutout in the slide.

5. S&W 66-1 the spent cases would swell up in the chambers of the cylinder so much you had to get a mallet to hammer on the ejector rod, to get them out.
S&W did fix that one with a new cylinder.

and 6. and my mother of all bad ones....
MK760 submachinegun....4 trips to the factory/1.5 years time tied up with govt transfers back and forth and it was still unreliable %#@**&%*!!!!

Dend78
06-21-2006, 02:28 PM
1 Blew up an original Armalite AR7...when well used the barrel nut will unscrew in about 15 rounds.....and case head failure/cracked receiver/broken sideplate/scattered trigger parts/magazine went sailing. This happened with me
even checking the tightness of the barrel nut often.

wow lucky that one didnt get the nut behind the buttstock :p

panzermk2
06-21-2006, 08:12 PM
Although as a Mod he did censor him self. If I was him I would move this thread to the cage so we can enjoy directly his use of adj. nouns, and adverbs

Rypht
06-21-2006, 08:42 PM
I beg to differ, THIS is the worst gun ever!

http://212.84.179.117/i/Chauchat.jpg

The Chauchat, a french made world war I era light machine gun, the American Expeditionary Force purchased a bunch of these from the french before they got involved in the war. The magazine had a real nice open air window, which let everything in and jammed with near no provocation. A large portion of these were discarded by the troops because they considered them useless.

panzermk2
06-21-2006, 09:07 PM
French designed weapons FUNNY

jmz5
06-22-2006, 09:48 PM
what do you expect, its french, haha

Dend78
06-23-2006, 07:57 AM
what do you expect, its french, haha


ding marks and scratches from the many times being dropped, thats why they made it light they had an issue with it being dropped on their toes so they lightened it up so it wouldnt hurt so bad, thats what i would expect from a frech made anything :D

Adidas02
06-23-2006, 09:25 AM
Worst gun I ever owned was my first Walther P22. Malfunctioned constantly, innacurate as hell...miserable weapon. Fired 2 others some frineds had years later and they worked perfectly...bought another one last year, threw on a suppressor, and now it's probably my favorite gun to shoot period.

Crunge
06-23-2006, 03:22 PM
The first gun I ever owned was an FIE (Firearms Import Export) 9mm. It suffered a FTF on almost every round. The feed ramp was totally foobared so I traded it in towards a Taurus 9mm (this is all pre-Clinton ban) and the Taurus was a better gun but still nothing to write home about. I don't think it ever jammed but it was horribly inaccurate.

I'm surprised to see a couple of people mention Glocks. I have G27 and it works like a champ. Three friends have Glocks and none have had problems either. But hey, as many guns as Glock sells, there are certain to be lemons among them.

NukeDogg
06-23-2006, 03:49 PM
Hi Point used to be called Stallard arms...and the 9mm/.45acp's brand new were 99.00 and 110.00 respectively....we allways said there was no need to field strip them as they were the modern ghetto version of the WWII OSS "Liberator"....disposable when the first mag was empty.....they were sold here in fine pawn shops that would also sell you ammo by the individual cartridge. The property room was full of them , and later Lorcin's



So what you're saying is, to your knowledge, you can't fieldstrip a Hi Point? LOL. :rolleyes:

panzermk2
06-23-2006, 05:25 PM
Field stripping a Hi-Piont
1) remove mag and verify firearm is unloaded (firearm term used loosely)
2) Place on garage floor or other concrete surface
3) Hit it with as much force as you can generate with 10 pound sledge hammer
4) Repeat as needed until desired amount of dis-assembly is attained

NukeDogg
06-23-2006, 05:36 PM
Field stripping a Hi-Piont
1) remove mag and verify firearm is unloaded (firearm term used loosely)
2) Place on garage floor or other concrete surface
3) Hit it with as much force as you can generate with 10 pound sledge hammer
4) Repeat as needed until desired amount of dis-assembly is attained

Oh, I laughed so hard when I read that, I think I soiled myself. LOL :p

Rypht
06-23-2006, 05:55 PM
the flattened hi-point also works well as toilet paper, only marginally less useful

Targetguy
06-26-2006, 02:37 PM
I had a H&R Ultra Varmint 243 that was a junk heap. It shot ok but because the brass stuck in the chamber every time I fired, it was a muzzle un-loader.
The only thing worse than this gun that I have ever owned was the piece of @#@# scope that I had mounted on it. it was a simmions 6.6 to 20 and it wasnt even usable at 15X because it was so blurry. I learned my lesson on this combo

no more cheap stuff

Buddy Lee
07-01-2006, 10:44 AM
Century Arms R1A1 Sporter (FAL). Nice finish and very clean. It was also very accurate. The only problem was that it would not load any rounds. The tips would but up against the shoulder of the chamber and not go in. I went to the FALfiles and got some suggestions, but I didn't have the time (or inclination) to do a smithing job. So I returned it to the fella I bought it from with no problems. Great guy, crappy rifle.

Buddy Lee

Medula Oblongata
07-01-2006, 08:29 PM
Worst shotgun ever owned was a S&W "Riot" shotgun marketed to police (don't recall the model number) dang thing kept blowing up, action bars broke reliably with slugs and 00, and the barrel occaisonally fell out. 12 returns to the factory and they finally sent me a letter with a check for $300 and the shotgun stating they wouldn't fix it anymore. After it exploded (again) and the bolt went thru my truck bed, I cut the thing into pieces and threw it away.

Worst pistol aver owned was a Firestar 45 compact that blew up when firing for the first time.(nearly lost an eye) so they sent me a new model that woulden't feed or extract when a magazine was inserted. Had a Kel-Tec p40 that woulden't extract after 3 returns to the factory they sent me a new gun, not as bad, but unreliable (traded it in on a new NAA guardian).

Worst rifle was a Winchester 94 who's barrel was .318 in diameter (.30-30 chamber) the headspace was also way off so primers blew out of the case when firing, and the stock cracked after about a year.

Another bad rifle was a Bushmaster AR-15 that refused to fire (replaced the firing pin with one of the correct length) and then it grouped 3" at 50M. Hardly a precision instrument and jammed all the time during extraction. Returned it to the factory, they sent me a new one that was a little better, but fit and finish were IMHO sub-standard (looked to be factory seconds).

I also had an origional AR-180 that I bought new and never fired. I traded it at a gunshow for a NIB Colt Goldcup. Ran into the guy a few months later and he told me it KB'd the first time he shot it. In all fairness Im pretty sure he tried to shoot .222 rem out of it, as I saw him walk out of the gunshow with a few boxes of it, and the ammo is what caused the KB, not the rifle. Sure wished I had kept it...

walter34payton2002
07-02-2006, 04:26 AM
Another bad rifle was a Bushmaster AR-15 that refused to fire (replaced the firing pin with one of the correct length) and then it grouped 3" at 50M. Hardly a precision instrument and jammed all the time during extraction. Returned it to the factory, they sent me a new one that was a little better, but fit and finish were IMHO sub-standard (looked to be factory seconds).

You got to be kidding me. I own a Bushmaster AR-15 (M4) 16 inch bbl Carbine and it it the finest weapon I've ever owned. I put an ATN red dot (4 reticle pattern) scope on it and I can make a tennis ball bounce at 50 yards. Bushmaster is commonly known as the best civilian version of the AR-15 today. I can't believe you had such trouble with this.

__________________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

p99guy
07-02-2006, 08:50 AM
Bushmaster was not allways a govt contractor, nor did they enjoy such wide spread acceptance as they do right now.....at one time they were no different than Palmetto Armory AR 15's or Olympic. The fact that they have access to Colt's drawings now as a govt contractor is what has improved thier lot in life....otherwise they would be just known for the Aluminum rain gutter they turned into a rifle(M17S) or the earlier POS Bushmaster pistol(colt arm gun copy)
There is only so many times in a post that you can state you dont believe another's post before it becomes offensive...one thing M.O. is not, is a fibber.

jmz5
07-02-2006, 10:42 AM
lets get the tar out, who has the feathers j/k :D
:MM :MM :MM

btown02
07-02-2006, 11:14 AM
If M.O. tells you the sun is not going to rise you'd better check your flashlight to make sure it's working.

jmz5
07-02-2006, 03:35 PM
i agree

doug62-105
07-02-2006, 11:05 PM
without having to think much about it, M11-9 . My wife thought it looked like a cool gun. first time I shoot it the trigger guard was so sharp it cut me like a knife, blood all over, it was a trade in shortly after that. CAR 15 by a now defunked Illinois maker, at 30 yards bullets would fully keyhole, no kidding, target looked like a map for a naval battle with the shots keyholeing like that. AMT hardballer, your web of your hand looked like raw meat after two mags, sandblasted finish was like sandpaper.

panzermk2
07-03-2006, 06:31 PM
If M.O. tells you the sun is not going to rise you'd better check your flashlight to make sure it's working.


DITTO

walter34payton2002
07-04-2006, 01:12 AM
There is only so many times in a post that you can state you dont believe another's post before it becomes offensive...one thing M.O. is not, is a fibber.

You got it all wrong. Let me clarify. Perhaps I did not make myself clear. I am not, or in this case was not, challenging the TRUTHFULNESS of what he posted. When I say "I can't believe this.......I am stating the shock of hearing the Bushmaster was such crap. An example: "I can't believe that jerk hit my car." I BELIEVE he hit my car, I know that he hit my car..... I just am so shocked that he hit my car. In other words, I used the phrase FIGURATIVELY not LITERALLY. I apologize to M.O. if he took it that way. That is the truth. Take it how you want it.

__________________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

btown02
07-04-2006, 10:44 AM
Take it how you want it.

You were doing pretty good right up to the end, then you had to go and end it with that.

panzermk2
07-04-2006, 02:25 PM
Name the players
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e169/panzermk2/staydown.jpg

Medula Oblongata
07-04-2006, 05:52 PM
I personally did not take any offense to Mr. Peyton, it seems to me that he was expressing shock rather than disbelief.

I have had weapons that were marketed at the "finest in the world" that were little more than POS junk heaps (HK VP70Z) and real POS junk heaps that were totally reliable (I actually own SEVERAL HI-POINT 9mm's that I keep in my tool boxes, under my truck seat, because I don't care about them or what they look like, but they do go bang every time).

I didn't feel that Mr. Peyton was attacking me or my integrity.

As a sidebar, IMHO the best UPPER reciever currently made for AR's is from Compass Lake Engineering with Kreger barrels... American Spirit Arms of Scottsdale AZ makes a pretty good one too, considering the price. I still have a dislike for Bushmaster (because of my earlier experience) as well as for Olympic Arms and Fulton Armory. I had to sell my last AR last week to make a house payment, but if I were to buy another it would most likely be from a RRA lower and an Alexander Arms upper in 6.5mm Graendel. .223 is OK, but bigger IS better.

walter34payton2002
07-04-2006, 06:00 PM
Oh that is NICE Panzer. I see you are from Chicago. I was born and raised in Chicago and as you can tell by my handle, I am a huge BEARS fan. Lance Briggs destroys Bubba Franks' upper receiver, while his lower receiver is damaged (trigger assembly may be loose too)! Nice pic. I used to have a pic of the hit Mike Brown put on Detroit TE Marcus Pollard last season. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Remember that?

You know.....I haven't been in FL long, but I am kind of glad to be here. The gun laws are just so bad up there. I couldn't imagine living in such a world again. But I took Chitown with me. I haven't missed a BEARS game in 11 years. Not one.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

walter34payton2002
07-04-2006, 06:02 PM
You were doing pretty good right up to the end, then you had to go and end it with that.

Sorry. Once again, not meant to be offensive. Sometimes I think I come off the wrong way. Maybe when you guys know me better, you will understand. By that time, though, I may be a super duper moderator- the highest distinction. (that was a joke).

_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

panzermk2
07-05-2006, 01:09 AM
Oh that is NICE Panzer. I see you are from Chicago. I was born and raised in Chicago and as you can tell by my handle, I am a huge BEARS fan. Lance Briggs destroys Bubba Franks' upper receiver, while his lower receiver is damaged (trigger assembly may be loose too)! Nice pic. I used to have a pic of the hit Mike Brown put on Detroit TE Marcus Pollard last season. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Remember that?

You know.....I haven't been in FL long, but I am kind of glad to be here. The gun laws are just so bad up there. I couldn't imagine living in such a world again. But I took Chitown with me. I haven't missed a BEARS game in 11 years. Not one.
_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi


I have been going since 84 when I was old enough for one of the families 8 season tickets.
But I was being a smartass, what I ment about name the players was which one is the Mod and which one was the poster

btown02
07-05-2006, 04:16 AM
I was being a smartass, what I ment about name the players was which one is the Mod and which one was the poster
Good one Panzer. :D

jmz5
07-05-2006, 04:21 PM
panzer cracks me up, lol