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gundoc
05-19-2006, 01:34 PM
http://stopungunban.org/

btown02
05-19-2006, 01:43 PM
Thanks for the link Gundoc.

Milehigh
05-20-2006, 03:51 AM
wow, And I thought I only had to worry about the brady's. Guess I'll be sending some letters.

panzermk2wife
05-22-2006, 03:05 AM
The UN is such a joke, they are just as bad as the terrorist themselves :mad: .

You better believe we will be sending out letters

bjjbrawler
05-23-2006, 01:00 AM
3-letter PDF printed, and sent! Thanks for the link brother!

panzermk2
05-23-2006, 01:39 AM
Kofi CUP Annan has been up to this for awhile. Of course his thugs I mean body guards run around NY city with sub guns but that ok for the royalty

Medula Oblongata
05-23-2006, 06:14 AM
The only thing that the crooks in the UN, and politics in general understand, is money and power. Maybe we should hold a bake sail and use the money to buy Kofi and his cronies off. We can call it "brownies for bullets" or maybe "cookies for crooks" NO better yet "Rice crispy treats for peace."

When push comes to shove all politicians around the globe protect each others backs. Congresman William Jefferson of LA gets caught taking bribes RED HANDED and the FBI raids his office and HAstert and all the other republicrats in congress/senate DECRY the FBI as "invading their domain." Last time I checked politicians were not exempt from prosecution nor investigation, but to hear them talk about "traditions" and the "breach of the boundry between the executive and legislative branch" you would think they believe themselves to be, literally, above the law.

Yep, I think Ill bake some brownies this weekend and send the proceeds Kofi's way. Lets just bribe our rights into safety.

oatmeal
05-23-2006, 09:42 AM
http://www.un.org/events/smallarms2006/

official UN site. clicking on the "programme of action" brings up what they are trying to do. it keeps specifically saying, the "Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons". Not the wholesale ban of smalls arms trade.

just playing a little devil's advocate.

Medula Oblongata
05-23-2006, 11:33 AM
http://www.un.org/events/smallarms2006/

official UN site. clicking on the "programme of action" brings up what they are trying to do. it keeps specifically saying, the "Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons". Not the wholesale ban of smalls arms trade.

just playing a little devil's advocate.


Kofi Annon has specifically stated that the UN's position that any individual ownership of small arms is unlawful (and therefore illicit) and that the only way to ensure that small arms in private posession do not end up in a conflict zone (where people need them to defend themselves against despots and tyrants) is to create an "international registry of persons and weapons" and to monitor every weapon in private posession.

The treaty would outlaw ALL "military style weapons and cartriges, and other cartriges deemed by this panel not to be of a sporting nature." (Kofi Annon in General Assembly during John Bolton's conformation hearings) He also goes on to say that the only "sporting cartriges" recognized by the UN are ones that fire non-solid (shot) projectiles with a range of no more than 100M. It also states that "of grave concern to the security of the world is their excessive accumulation and uncontrolled aquision by many persons in the western world." According to Annon himself, we, the peaceable citizens of the US are dangerous to worls stability because the average citizen may own as many firearms as he wishes, of nearly any caliber, and without an international registry and oversite to ensure that the individual is of "suitable character" to posess firearms.

Quotes from the "Programme of action/"

"To ensure that comprehensive and accurate records are kept for as long as possible on the manufacture, holding and transfer of small arms and light weapons under their jurisdiction. These records should be organized and maintained in such a way as to ensure that accurate information can be promptly retrieved and collated by competent international authorities." The UN wants Momar Quadafi, Hugo Chaves, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Ill, etc. to be able to find out which american owns firearms, and what type.

"To develop and implement, including in conflict and post-conflict situations, public awareness and confidence-building programmes on the problems and consequences of the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, including, where appropriate, the public destruction of surplus weapons and the voluntary surrender of small arms and light weapons, if possible, in cooperation with civil society and non-governmental organizations, with a view to eradicating the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons." They want to round up guns from people who have had to defend themselves and publicly destroy them... Of course surrendering of the weapons will be "voluntary."

"To establish, where appropriate, subregional or regional mechanisms, in particular trans-border customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing among law enforcement, border and customs control agencies, with a view to preventing, combating and eradicating the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons across borders." The UN wants Vincente Fox to know what guns you have.

"Upon request, States and appropriate international or regional organizations in a position to do so should provide assistance in the destruction or other responsible disposal of surplus stocks or unmarked or inadequately marked small arms and light weapons." Because NO firearms in the US has "appropriate" markings, all would be subject to seizure and destruction.

Lets all remember that the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America has NOTHING to do with hunting or "sporting" activities. Its purpose is solely as a mechanism to allow the people to defend themselves against a tyranical GOVERNMENT.

'Nuff said, I will pontificate more on this later.

Oh yeah, here's a list of the countries taking part in this conference. Don't you love the thought of these tin pot despots and murders taking away our guns...

Algeria


Benin

Egypt

Nigeria

Senegal

South Africa

Bangladesh

China

Indonesia

Islamic Republic of Iran

Japan

Armenia

Belarus

Bulgaria

Czech Republic

Poland

Slovenia

Argentina

Brazil

Colombia

Costa Rica

Jamaica

Peru

Austria

Canada

Israel

Spain

Switzerland

Do you feel better knowing that Iran has "got your back..."???

rips31
05-23-2006, 01:43 PM
the un can have my guns...

when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.

panzermk2
05-23-2006, 01:59 PM
I would not worry about that. The UN is trying treaties with us for 2 major reasons
1) Most UN peace keepers are cowards and crooks and when they meet real militaries or people who are not afraid of them they run. There have been many pictures out of Africa show rebels driving around in brand new UN marked armor that the peace keepers left behind as they ran. Stuff had they used they would have killed the rebels, but again they are COWARDS.

2) we all have guns and would love shooting UN peace keepers for sport

btown02
05-23-2006, 02:06 PM
Another good post MO.

Medula Oblongata
05-23-2006, 06:58 PM
President designate of the UN conference on Small Arms


Quote from published biographical data on UN website:

Mr. Prasad Kariyawasam, Permanent Representative of Sri Lanka to the UN in New York

" Mr. Kariyawasam was the Alternate Representative of Sri Lanka at the 53rd, 54th and 55th Sessions of the UN Commission for Human Rights (CHR) held in Geneva and led the observer delegation of Sri Lanka to the 57th and 58th Sessions of CHR. At the 59th Session of the UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva, Mr. Kariyawasam was elected as a Vice-Chairperson and served in the Expanded Bureau of the 59th CHR. At the World Conference against Racism held in Durban in 2001, he was elected as the Vice-Chair of the main Committee. In 2003, he was elected to the UN Committee on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of Their Families for an initial term of two years. At the first inaugural session of the Committee, he was selected as its Chairperson, the post of which he holds at present. Mr. Kariyawasam was also elected as the Chair of the 2004 sessions of the Chairperson of the Human Rights Treaty Bodies and Inter-Committee Meetings. He is also the Chairperson of the United Nations Special committee to Investigate Israel Practices Affecting the Human rights of the Palestine People and other Arabs of the Occupied Territories.

He followed the UN disarmament Fellowship Programme and was a delegate of Sri Lanka at the UN Conference on disarmament in Geneva from 1984 to 1987 and led the delegation from 2001 to 2003. Mr. Kariyawasam was also appointed as the Special Co-ordinator for improved and effective functioning of the Conference on Disarmament at its Fall Session of 2001 and for the year 2002. He was a member of the United Nations Panel of Experts on Small Arms, which produced a report on the subject to the UN General Assembly in 1997. He also served in the UN Group of Governmental Experts on the Relationship between Disarmament and Development, which reported to the 2004 UNGA. Mr. Kariyawasam has now been endorsed as the President-designate of the 2006 UN Conference to Review Progress in the Implementation of the Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All its Aspects."

Lets now discuss Sri Lanka's well documented oppression, torture, murder, rape, and occupation of the Tamil people. These well documented atrocities have been turned a blind eye towards for more than 30 years, but Sri Lanka would disarm those who resist their tyrany, and everyone else in the world opposed to their criminal government.

"The Sri Lanka authorities torture so that Sri Lanka may succeed in its efforts to conquer the Tamil homeland and impose its alien Sinhala rule on the Tamil people - a Tamil people, who by their free vote at the General Elections in 1977 had given a clear mandate for the establishment of an independent Tamil Eelam - a Tamil people who speak a language different to that of the Sinhala people; who trace their origins to roots different to that of the Sinhala people; and who by their suffering and sacrifice have given expression to their will to be free from rule by a permanent Sinhala majority within the confines of an unitary Sri Lankan constitutional structure. The short point that emerges from the 30 year proven record of torture by the Sri Lanka authorities is that Sri Lanka cannot impose its rule on the Tamil homeland without recourse to terror. If it could, it would have."

"The Asian Legal Resource Centre (ALRC) has today released its second special report on torture by the police in Sri Lanka. Entitled 'Endemic torture and the collapse of policing in Sri Lanka', the 100-page report is published in the latest edition of article 2 (February 2004, vol. 3, no. 1).

"What we are emphasising in this second report is that the gruesome torture still being practiced in police stations across Sri Lanka indicates the almost total breakdown in policing in the country," remarks Basil Fernando, Executive Director of ALRC. "To describe policing in Sri Lanka as being in crisis would be to understate the current situation; it is nearing collapse," continues Fernando. "That an officer who has forced a TB sufferer to spit into the mouth of another detainee can continue in service despite widespread knowledge of what he has done speaks to an organisational disaster, and its utter degradation in the eyes of the public." The report describes 31 recent cases of torture or killing by the police of 29 police stations in Sri Lanka, involving 46 victims, all of whom appear to have been innocents."

Excerpts from a report to the UN panel on human rights. Continued...

"The committee remains concerned at persistent reports of torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment of detainees by law enforcement officials and members of the armed forces," the UN Human Rights Committee said in its report on Sri Lanka. It found that "very few" police or army officers had been punished on charges of abduction or torture since the ceasefire last year and urged authorities to promptly investigate allegations of crime against the army or police."

"...Almost in every household in the Trincomalee district there would be a complaint of disappearance. Torture still continues in the island..." "Freedom from torture is a universal and fundamental human right for all and guaranteed under national and international laws. But acts of torture are committed against men, women and children every day."

"The Supreme Court of Sri Lanka on Wednesday granted leave to proceed on a fundamental rights petition filed by a Jaffna youth who is being held in the Boosa prison, south of Colombo.

The youth, Selvarajah Thamilchelvan of Pattarakalli koviladi, Thavadi South, Kokuvil, Jaffna states in his petition that he was hung upside down and severely tortured while in the custody of the Terrorism Investigation Division of the Police."

"It would be pertinent to raise the question as to whether pugnacious statements made by persons in high positions and the expressed determination of the Government to continue with the war, contributes towards the unleashing of brutality such as rape and torture on unarmed Tamil civilians particularly Tamil females. It would appear that some service personnel think that if a Tamil is implicated even falsely with the LTTE any crime can be committed against such Tamil person"

"Sri Lanka’s Supreme Court this week granted leave to proceed with the fundamental rights petition of a Tamil girl from Kayts in Jaffna who says Policemen tortured her in detention by repeatedly inserting a plantain flower soaked in chilli powder into her vagina. The girl who is currently being held in the Negombo remand prison states in her petition to the Supreme Court that she was hung on a pole inserted between her thighs and arms which had been tied together below the knee and that her body was made to swing in that position; that she was hung from the roof and battered with a cudgel; that Policemen tortured her by pricking under her finger and toe nails with paper pins until she bled; that she was mercilessly assaulted with poles and wires and trampled with boots. The girl also states in her petition that although she had appealed to the Human Rights Commission and the Presidential Committee on Unlawful Arrests and Harassment, they had not taken any action regarding her predicament..."


I can go on and on with quotes from reports to the US council on Human Rights. Did I mention that the UN has done NOTHING within Sri Lanka. They have not even filed a complaint with the government. They haven't tried to rescue anyone, or bring to justice in the Hague known governmental rapists, torturers and murders. They ahve stood silent.

I will let a physician who treats torture victims in Sri Lanka prisons for the International Red Cross speak for me. “the facts of these cases have revealed disturbing features regarding third degree methods adopted by certain Police Officers on suspects held in police custody. Such methods can only be described as barbaric, savage and inhuman. They are most revolting and offends one’s sense of human decency and dignity, particularly at the present time when every endeavor is being made to promote and protect human rights”.

These are the types of governments our forefathers had to fight to gain liberty. These are the type of dastards that would take away our only means of assured self-preservation. These types of governments would make us subjects instead of sovereign citizens, and would deny us our basic human liberties. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They would take from us due process, the presumption of innocence, the right to counsel, and the right to not be compelled to give evidence against ones self. What the UN is trying to do by treaty, is what our enemies cannot do by force... That is to destroy our constitution and way of life, for WE pose a threat to them. We are the shining city on the hill in which all liberty loving people wish to be. We are the only place on earth where no knee is bent, no homage given, no potentate in power.


"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Never have more blessed and sacred words been spoken. Lets remember and never forget. Let "Remember lexington, Bunker Hill, and Valley Forge" be our key words, so that we might secure the blessings of The Almighty upon our righteous cause for ourselves and our posterity.

msw
05-23-2006, 09:11 PM
I've read that those cute lil' blue helmets are REALLY easy to see through even iron sights.... :D

Honestly, this stuff bugs the crap outta me. Next to Executive/Presidential Orders, these so-called "International Treaties" and UN nonsense usurps the Rights as described in our Constitution. And you'll never see the ACLU addressing this issue when it relates to the Second Amendment. But the NRA bird-dogs this stuff!

So--my plea to those folks who read, participate or lurk in this Forum is to join the NRA--or any other pro-gun organization! Donate extra $$$ if you can--write your Senators & Congressmen and be active!

And if that doesn't work--get a case of clay pigeons and paint them powder blue--just for practice..... :D

Just kidding about the helmet thing here, folks--please don't get upset.....I know center of mass is more appropriate, depending on the distance.... ;)

panzermk2
05-23-2006, 09:49 PM
does the 195 Penetrate blue issued helmets? anyone know what thier current level is or does it just depend on UN slave country supplying them? The way my 5n7 groups it would seem to make a good brain splatter device

msw
05-23-2006, 10:11 PM
I dunno.....it's all probably old US hand-me-downs.....I don't know that the UN is as "Tactically Chic" :confused:

Somebody out there has to know about their helmets and any soft body armor.....

panzermk2
05-23-2006, 11:25 PM
I know for armored stuff they have used old ferretts

Evan Stevens
05-24-2006, 01:04 AM
Ha Ha. In Somolia we captured some UN peace keepers by accident. I still think it was no accident, they were meeting with Aidid for a pay off. We new they were not militamen because they put up no strugle at all. They were completely out of uniform wearing civis. The UN is verry corrupt and yes cowards. The blue helmets almost glow in the dark. lol Just remember which party loves the UN on election day.

PASGT helmet, US body armor and yes almost all US equipmet. :SS

Sabian
05-24-2006, 02:28 PM
Funny, I've been having this conversation with a friend of mine that runs the site madogre.com. We've basically come to the conclusion (and I'm sure you'll all agree) that if they think the riots in Franch were bad?? Go ahead and try some UN mandated marshal law/international confiscation crap here. The American soul isn't for sale. Our politicians (including Bush) may think so, but actual implementation is going to be a totally different story.

Medula Oblongata
05-24-2006, 04:10 PM
I just went to your pal's website madogre.com. Laughed my underwear off. I swear I want to marry that guy... well if I was a girl anyway. Hey wait, there's surgery for that now, too! <<<wedding bells in the distance>>> :MM

Sabian
05-24-2006, 05:37 PM
Goerge is a top notch guy. It's hard not to like him. Besides he was one of the best and longest running blogs out there. Any fan of firearms, the American soul and plain common sense will become an overnight addict.

Medula Oblongata
05-24-2006, 05:38 PM
so what you are saying is that he's a drug dealer...

Sabian
05-24-2006, 05:43 PM
Ya, I guess I like what he is peddling.

Esteves
05-24-2006, 06:07 PM
I wasn't sure where this belonged (so I picked this thread), but I recently ran across the following report:
http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/OPs/OP16WEurope.pdf

The conclusion's on pg. 48 of the PDF.

tylert14
05-24-2006, 07:59 PM
Three letters are signed and in the envelope, 3 more are being printed out to give to my Vietnam Veteran History teacher tomorrow. IMs and Emails inbound to anyone I know with firearms.

Sabian
05-24-2006, 09:57 PM
I ordered 5 copies for my favorite bloggers. Best way for me to get the word out.

panzermk2
05-25-2006, 01:13 AM
oh that guy is good. just read his I hate M16's rant

Sabian
06-05-2006, 04:32 PM
I recieved my books from the NRA today.

black campbell
06-06-2006, 12:50 AM
Man, I hate sounding like the stereotypical survivalist, but does anybody else feel that "something" is coming? The last few years, I've just had this indescribable feeling that there's a fight in the offing.

walter34payton2002
06-21-2006, 02:51 AM
Also......make sure to be an NRA member if you are not already. To stay privy to the latest in gun politics, sign up with NRA/ILA e-mail notifications daily. This is where I was informed about this UN thing. I would also recommend reading Wayne LaPierre's debate transcript with Rebecca Peters (IANCA) which clearly proves the UN intentions and corruption and shows how NRA plans to fight.

http://www.iansa.org/action/gun_debate_transcript.doc
https://secure.nraila.org/EmailSignup.aspx

_______________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

NukeDogg
06-21-2006, 12:01 PM
the un can have my guns...

when they pry them from my cold, dead fingers.


Preach! :soap:

panzermk2
06-21-2006, 08:27 PM
DITTO And I will take some of them with me

Rypht
06-21-2006, 08:34 PM
well since it's a nice unlucky number... 13 days until this thing is supposed to happen

jmz5
06-21-2006, 08:56 PM
DITTO And I will take some of them with me
double ditto :beat:

black campbell
06-22-2006, 02:05 AM
There's a reason I'm buying the 5.7 and PS90. May need to look into the Class III stuff. Between the UN and Bush's little Mexico/Canada/USA lovefest...I just wish more people were 1) paying attention and 2) had the stones to get up and do something. Unfortunately, that statement probably qualifies as "terrorism" right now.

Dend78
06-22-2006, 08:10 AM
There's a reason I'm buying the 5.7 and PS90. May need to look into the Class III stuff. Between the UN and Bush's little Mexico/Canada/USA lovefest...I just wish more people were 1) paying attention and 2) had the stones to get up and do something. Unfortunately, that statement probably qualifies as "terrorism" right now.



its ok terrorist..i mean black campbell :p

I believe we all share the same basic views on this issue, with these two things together i believe they are gonna be in a world of hurt when they try to incorporate both of these gems :SS

evilferret
06-23-2006, 07:30 AM
Thanks for the link! lol I printed all 3 of them for each member of my family time to send some letters!

748
06-23-2006, 04:48 PM
There needs to be more gun owners and NRA members.
80 million gun owners is not enough (I think the real number is much higher) and 4 million NRA members is not enough.
I'll buy more guns when I get back home.

revolver shooter
06-23-2006, 06:31 PM
They can have mine after I run out of ammo from shooting powder blue helmets

Killbot
06-24-2006, 01:05 PM
They can have mine after I run out of ammo from shooting powder blue helmets

Too bad they will be wearing police blue :sheriff , not powder blue, since the UN will likely force local LEO's to do their dirty work for them. Kind of changes the big talk we all do, when the ones on the opposite side of our firearms will likely be our friends who are doing what they need to in order to protect their own families.

The UN is a group of cowards/chicken---ts, who usually get others to do their dirty work for them.

Rypht
06-24-2006, 02:00 PM
if things get bad enough, I think you'll see the police blue under orders of powder blue commence mass dessertion, or better yet help organize against powder blue. At least that's how I'd like to see things turn out if that situation ever takes place. Just because something's a law, doesn't mean it's just. Sometimes obeying bad laws get people killed.

black campbell
06-25-2006, 01:10 PM
Doubt it...as New Orleans showed, and every "look how cool the police are" shows on TV "affirm" -- the police love being the big boys on the block. They'll drop any of us for no reason, and there's no fair fight mentality -- that's why the overwhleming force mentality; SWAT teams to deliver a warrant? Anyone remember when it was "one riot, one Ranger?" E

They're not at all given to restraint if they have a guy with a taser on scene; they LOVE using those things. (Just for full disclosure -- several friends are cops, and I was a police auxilliary for two years.)

We'd have more chance with the National Guard and military, were you might be able to get the officers to realize what their oath of service was...the CONSTITUTION, not the government.

Worse, the average American is so busy trying to get through his day so he can watch TV and have a beer, that they'll not do a thing when the hammer comes down. We're so spoiled, comfortable, and prone to entitlement thining as a country, it'll be 4 million "kooks" -- as they'll call us -- who refuse to lie down. Just like Australia, England, and Canada...

Paratrooper117
06-25-2006, 01:32 PM
Well this is one "kook" who will defend my rights all the way up to my last bullet, and then it's affix bayonets and charge.

jmz5
06-25-2006, 02:31 PM
Well this is one "kook" who will defend my rights all the way up to my last bullet, and then it's affix bayonets and charge.
same here

Rypht
06-25-2006, 02:52 PM
the problem with that is the spin. They're so good at spin these days that unless something so big happens that it's impossible to deny why someone does something, it is easily blurred into something else. One civilian defending his rights to the last bullet, alone, would be nothing more than a crazy with a gun. Now if you could get several hundred or thousand people maybe all standing up and willingly locking down their small town in rural America from UN absurdity and using every possible media outlet to say why, then you might have a chance of the true meaning of your sacrafice getting out.

walter34payton2002
06-26-2006, 12:34 AM
Well this is one "kook" who will defend my rights all the way up to my last bullet, and then it's affix bayonets and charge.

Except in California.... ;)
__________________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

black campbell
06-26-2006, 01:04 AM
Well this is one "kook" who will defend my rights all the way up to my last bullet, and then it's affix bayonets and charge.

Right with ya, myself...just don't know how many out there (outside the gunners' boards) have the balls for the fight.

Rypht
06-27-2006, 06:50 PM
Well... it's officially begun, the UN summit is underway.

Esteves
06-28-2006, 12:37 AM
...Which is a good reason to purchase more personal firearms, on the assumption that possession is still 90% of the law.

walter34payton2002
06-29-2006, 06:20 PM
Subsequent are the summaries for each respective day thus far of the UN gun ban conference as written by Cam Edwards. Also is the link to Cam's show from NRA News. It is a good show and I recommend watching it.

http://www.nranews.com/nra.html

Day one of the UN gun ban summit
Jun 27, 2006
by Cam Edwards

They've gathered in New York City, the best and brightest minds in
the global gun ban movement. Oh, they don't want you to think for a
second that they're actually interested in your guns. Kofi Annan as
much as said so yesterday, when he told the attendees of the Small
Arms Review Conference, "This Review Conference is not negotiating
a `global gun ban', nor do we wish to deny law-abiding citizens their
right to bear arms in accordance with their national laws." Got it,
gun owners? There's nothing to fear from the UN when it comes to your
guns.
It's too bad for Kofi that many of the countries attending the summit
didn't get his memo. Yesterday's speeches were full of calls for
expanding the current agenda to include the civilian possession of
firearms. Hans Winkler, speaking on behalf of the European Union,
called the current Program of Action "the key starting point for
further action on small arms". The ambassador from Australia, Robert
Hill, spoke glowingly of his country's gun laws that "require the
registration and licensing of all firearms owners, prohibit a range
of automatic and semi-automatic long arms and handguns, and mandate
minimum firearms safety training and storage requirements."
The statement from Indonesia's representative was perhaps the
clearest example of what these countries are aiming for.
"We believe that no armed group outside of the State should be
allowed to bear weapons. We also believe that regulating civilian
possession of Small Arms/Light Weapons will enhance our efforts to
prevent its misuse. In our view, the issue of ammunition should also
be addressed in the context of the Program of Action because in the
absence of ammunition, small arms and light weapons pose no danger."
Not every country is as transparent as Indonesia. When looking at the
statements of the various representatives, what isn't said is just as
important as the words we actually hear. Take, for example, the
comments by Brazilian representative Ronaldo Mota Sardenberg. He told
the summit, "this Review Conference should not limit ourselves to
renewing our commitment to the full implementation of the Program of
Action. It should rather be taken as an opportunity to address the
Program's shortcomings, by means of the adoption of substantive aimed
at strengthening and complementing its mechanisms." In other words,
what we've got right now doesn't go far enough. This comes from a
country tried to ban civilian ownership of firearms outright (the
referendum failed last fall).
The anti-gun summit continues for the next two weeks, and you can get
daily updates from http://www.NRAnews.com Executive Editor Ginny
Simone every afternoon on "Cam and Company", heard on the
aforementioned NRAnews.com and Sirius Satellite Radio. Coming up on
Tuesday, the United States issues its opening statement.

Cam Edwards is the host of "Cam and Company" on www.nranews.com and
Sirius Satellite Radio. A veteran talk show host and political
analyst, he blogs at www.camedwards.com in addition to his daily talk
show. Cam lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and five children

Day two at the gun ban conference

Jun 28, 2006
by Cam Edwards

A remarkable thing happened at the United Nations yesterday. We, the
United States, told the world "no". The messenger was Robert Joseph,
the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International
Security. Speaking before the dozens of nations that have gathered
for the review conference on Small Arms and Light Weapons, Joseph
told the world in no uncertain terms where the United States stood.
"The U.S. Constitution guarantees the rights of our citizens to keep
and bear arms, and there will be no infringement of those rights," he
proclaimed to the dignitaries and functionaries. "The United States
will not agree to any provisions restricting civilian possession, use
or legal trade of firearms inconsistent with our laws and practices."
Now, if this sounds familiar, it should be. It was five years ago
that UN Ambassador John Bolton said something similar during the
first conference on small arms. Then, as now, many countries wanted
the conference to discuss and implement controls on the civilian
possession of firearms. In fact, the draft version of the Program of
Action specifically referenced civilian possession, stating the
following:
The illicit trade in small arms and light weapons can be exacerbated
by the unregulated possession of small arms and light weapons by
civilians not part of responsible military and police forces. The
measures below can contribute to addressing this aspect of the
illicit trade in these weapons.
(a) States will establish appropriate national legislation,
administrative regulations and licensing requirements that define
conditions under which small arms and light weapons can be acquired,
used and traded by private persons.
(b) States will seriously consider the prohibition of unrestricted
trade and private ownership of small arms and light weapons
specifically designed for military purposes (e.g., assault rifles,
machine guns, grenades and high explosives produced for military
purposes).
When John Bolton spoke at the opening of the summit in 2001, he
said, "We request that Section II, paragraph 20, which refers to
restrictions on the civilian possession of arms, to be eliminated
from the Program of Action, and that other provisions which purport
to require national regulation of the lawful possession of firearms…
be modified to confine their reach to illicit international
activities." The delegates blinked, and the language was removed.
Will the same happen in 2006? The civilian possession of firearms
promises to be a contentious issue once again. On Monday and Tuesday
of this week, countries like Mexico and Indonesia spoke glowingly of
the need to ensnare civilian gun owners in the UN's web of gun
regulation. It will once again take steadfast resolve from the US
delegation to stop the gun banners from expanding the Program of
Action to try and regulate legal firearms.
NRAnews.com is committed to bringing you the most complete coverage
of the UN Summit on Small Arms and Light Weapons. Executive Editor
Ginny Simone is reporting live from the summit every afternoon on
NRAnews.com and on Sirius Satellite Radio (Patriot 144).
Additionally, we'll be broadcasting "Cam and Company" live from New
York City for the final three days of the conference. I hope you'll
be able to tune in to our coverage. It's a story that's woefully
underreported, but one every American needs to hear.
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analyst, he blogs at www.camedwards.com in addition to his daily talk
show. Cam lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and five
children.

Day three at the UN gun ban conference
Jun 29, 2006
by Cam Edwards

Hearing Angola and Cambodia detail their plans for rounding up all
the guns owned by civilians is kind of like hearing that the Dixie
Chicks are writing a song about America. You just know something
bad's going to happen in the end. And yet, that's exactly what we
heard on day 3 of the UN's summit on small arms (Angola and Cambodia,
not the Dixie Chicks. They haven't been granted a seat on the
Security Council… yet).
Angola, a country devastated by 24 years of civil war, is now in the
process of making sure that citizens can never again revolt against
the government. Minister of Justice Manuel Miguel da Costa Aragão
told the assembled nations the, "disarmament process is being carried
out in a systematic manner and on the basis of information provided
by the population." Even better, Angola wants other countries to help
pay for the disarming of its citizens. The Justice Minister also
said, "we seize this opportunity to ask for the support of the
international community in the difficult task of disarming the
civilian population."
Yes, the civil war in Angola was devastating. An estimated 500,000
people lost their lives. But let's be honest here. If there were
any "good guys" in the civil war, they didn't win. Our own State
Department says in 2005 the country's human rights record "remained
poor and serious problems remained." What type of problems?
- The abridgement of the rights of citizens to elect officials at all
levels.
- Arbitrary arrest and detention.
- Unlawful killings, disappearances, torture, beatings, and abuse of
persons.
- Lack of due process.
- Restrictions on freedom of speech, the press, and assembly.
Sounds like a wonderful place. I'm sure the government confiscation
of all civilian-owned firearms has nothing to do with the abuses
listed above. It's purely a coincidence. And nothing bad will happen
to the Angolans, I'm sure. I mean, it's not like Angola is Rwanda. Or
Sudan. Right?
Also speaking on Wednesday morning was Cambodian Undersecretary of
State Sieng Lapresse. Cambodia, where over a million civilians lost
their lives in a genocide, has banned the civilian possession of
firearms. The fact that the Khmer Rouge were able to rule the country
with an iron fist in part because of the strict gun control laws in
place has been lost on the United Nations. I'm pretty sure the
Cambodian government understands, however.
The State Department says the Cambodian government's human rights
record got worse in 2005, not better. "Contrary to past years," it
says, "there were no reports of politically motivated killings…
however, extrajudicial killings occurred." So the government killing
civilians wasn't political in nature. Well, that's a relief.
The Cambodian genocide took place just a generation ago. Yet already
the Cambodian government is disarming its citizens, with the approval
and help of the United Nations and its disarmament program. In a
perfect world, the United Nations would be holding an armament
program for the people of Cambodia. It would understand the right of
self-protection. It would understand that the State isn't always the
good guy.
Then again, in a perfect world, I doubt the UN would exist at all.
Since it does, I invite you to log on to www.NRAnews.com and get the
news from the UN (and elsewhere) each and every weekday. Executive
Editor Ginny Simone is reporting live from the United Nations
throughout the two-week summit, and we'll be broadcasting the entire
show live from New York for the summit's final three days.
Cam Edwards is the host of "Cam and Company" on www.nranews.com and
Sirius Satellite Radio. A veteran talk show host and political
analyst, he blogs at www.camedwards.com in addition to his daily talk
show. Cam lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and five
children.
__________________________________________________
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

Rypht
07-09-2006, 01:06 PM
Well, didn't see anyone else covering this, this little "failure" wasn't shouted very victoriously in the media (go figure). It's not over though, they plan to keep at it down the road, like a cancerous lump:

U.N. Conference on Arms Ends in Failure
By NICK WADHAMS , 07.07.2006, 10:04 PM

A two-week U.N. conference reviewing efforts to fight the illegal weapons trade ended in failure Friday, with nations too divided on too many contentious issues to agree on the best way to combat a scourge that fuels conflict worldwide.

After days of negotiations, delegates gave up their bid to agree on an "outcome document" meant to reflect their consensus on the most serious threats and the best way to fight the illegal trade in small arms, worth about $1 billion a year.

"It's a squandered opportunity," said Anthea Lawson, spokeswoman with the International Action Network on Small Arms. "It's preposterous especially when there was so much will from so many countries to do something."

The conference was reviewing progress made toward achieving a 2001 program of action to curb the illicit sale of pistols, assault rifles, machine guns and other light weapons.

The global trade in small arms is worth about $4 billion a year, of which a fourth is considered illegal, according to the annual Small Arms Survey, an authoritative report on such weapons. The arms cause 60 percent to 90 percent of all deaths in conflicts every year.

The event was largely done in by the need for all nations to agree on every element of the final document, rather than to approve proposals by an up-or-down vote.

The collapse reflected just how contentious the discussion of the small arms trade has become. Many nations refuse to disclose the extent of their small-arms trade, and are unwilling to discuss restrictions on ammunition and national gun ownership, selling weapons to non-state actors and tracing weapons back to their original seller.

Cuba, India, Iran, and Pakistan were among the nations that spoke out against an NGO proposal for governments to agree to a set of global principles on the arms trade. At its heart is a promise to make sure they don't sell weapons to buyers who could then pass them on illegally.

And there was widespread support for a call to hold a similar conference five years from now. The United States, however, opposed.

"You had a few governments that were holding out and not compromising, said Nicholas Marsh, with the International Peace Research Institute in Oslo, and an adviser to the Norwegian delegation.

Despite the failure, delegates planned to raise many of the same issues in the U.N. disarmament committee - where consensus is not needed for agreement - to begin preparing a treaty that would make law out of many of the global principles supported by non-governmental groups.

Some delegates said the meeting was doomed from the start. It took six days to get through speeches by nations, then the conference suspended work for the July 4 holiday. Negotiations on the final text only began Wednesday.

"Whether we would have been able to agree on the document - I don't think so," said Prasad Kariyawasam, Sri Lanka's U.N. ambassador and president of the conference. "I think at this point it was that views among parties with regard to how to follow up did not converge."

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/07/ap2865277.html