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Medula Oblongata
05-17-2006, 06:15 PM
SACRAMENTO – Assemblywoman Nicole M. Parra (D-Hanford), today, announced the passage of AB 2096 out of the Assembly Revenue and Taxation Committee by a bi-partisan vote of 5-2. AB 2096 would exempt gun safety devices from state sales and use taxes.


“Not applying sales and use taxes to gun safety devices makes it that much less cumbersome for gun owners to purchase such devices,” said Assemblywoman Parra. “I really do believe that over the course of time, AB 2096 will reduce the number of firearm related injuries in our communities.”


“AB 2096 will help local citizen groups purchase and distribute firearm safety devices to millions of California firearm owners,” said Ed Worley, California State Liaison for the National Rifle Association (NRA). “It is also important to note that this bill will help augment local and community safety training programs.”



There are currently many firearms that were purchased prior to the 1999 law requiring individuals to purchase gun safety devices to accompany their new weapon. As a result, many firearms lack the appropriate safety device to protect those who may be near them.

As of 1999, all firearms sold, transferred or manufactured in this state must be accompanied by a firearms safety device approved by the Department of Justice. AB 2096 would exempt from the state taxes imposed by the Sales and Use Tax Law, the gross receipts derived from the sale, storage, use, or other consumption in this state of a firearm safety device and gun safe.


AB 2096, which is sponsored by the National Rifle Association, will next be heard in the Assembly Appropriations Committee.

Medula Oblongata
05-17-2006, 06:31 PM
I will now pick apart this idiot woman's statement, although I am in favor of the law, but not for any reasons stated by any party involved.


SACRAMENTO – Assemblywoman Nicole M. Parra (D-Hanford), today, announced the passage of AB 2096 out of the Assembly Revenue and Taxation Committee by a bi-partisan vote of 5-2. AB 2096 would exempt gun safety devices from state sales and use taxes.


“Not applying sales and use taxes to gun safety devices makes it that much less cumbersome for gun owners to purchase such devices,” said Assemblywoman Parra. “I really do believe that over the course of time, AB 2096 will reduce the number of firearm related injuries in our communities.”
Ummm, what do you mean when you say "easier to purchase?" They MUST be purchased when you buy the weapon. In fact, the dealer CANNOT GIVE the lock to you free. It MUST be sold. Even if the weapon come from the factory with a lock, the dealer is REQUIRED to remove it from the case and sell it SEPERATELY to you, even though it was FREE from the factory, and the receipt for the weapon MUST have the lock as a seperate item, and the minimum price is $7.


“AB 2096 will help local citizen groups purchase and distribute firearm safety devices to millions of California firearm owners,” said Ed Worley, California State Liaison for the National Rifle Association (NRA). “It is also important to note that this bill will help augment local and community safety training programs.”

The law says NOTHING about safety training in any way, and Ed Worley is an idiot of monumental proportions. The law only allows the devices to be expemt from several taxes.



There are currently many firearms that were purchased prior to the 1999 law requiring individuals to purchase gun safety devices to accompany their new weapon. As a result, many firearms lack the appropriate safety device to protect those who may be near them.

WOW!!! I have been endangering EVERYONE that has ever come into my house because my guns were not locked up at all times. I guess its true then, guns really do get up on their own two legs and shoot people by themselves. To think that I am in danger this very moment of being shot in the prostate by the USPc in my wasteband fills me with fear! When she says "near" how near is that, BTW. In the same structure, street, town....



As of 1999, all firearms sold, transferred or manufactured in this state must be accompanied by a firearms safety device approved by the Department of Justice. AB 2096 would exempt from the state taxes imposed by the Sales and Use Tax Law, the gross receipts derived from the sale, storage, use, or other consumption in this state of a firearm safety device and gun safe.

I would like to mention that since 99, accidental shootings have remained UNCHANGED, with a slight trend towards increase. It appears that the law has done nothing to prevent any kind of injury or crime. What bothers me most about this bill is that DA's and lawyers will use this law to sue more individuals for negligence and endangerement because there is "just no excuse" not to have a gun lock and use it all the time. Blah blah blah. Why don't they spend their valuable time on something more important like making it illegal to eat bread on a public buss or some other crap like that. Oh wait, thats already the law in CA...

rips31
05-17-2006, 07:30 PM
Ummm, what do you mean when you say "easier to purchase?" They MUST be purchased when you buy the weapon. In fact, the dealer CANNOT GIVE the lock to you free. It MUST be sold. Even if the weapon come from the factory with a lock, the dealer is REQUIRED to remove it from the case and sell it SEPERATELY to you, even though it was FREE from the factory, and the receipt for the weapon MUST have the lock as a seperate item, and the minimum price is $7.

*snip*
actually, not entirely true. if it comes with a factory lock, the lock is noted to have been 'sold' with the firearm, as it is prob 'included' in the purchase price. this is good for both dealer stock and dealer transfers.

you can also get around the lock requirement by signing an affidavit stating that you have a ca doj approved safe.

if i'm mistaken, then i've been doing alot of wrong recently. :D

Medula Oblongata
05-17-2006, 07:36 PM
actually, not entirely true. if it comes with a factory lock, the lock is noted to have been 'sold' with the firearm, as it is prob 'included' in the purchase price. this is good for both dealer stock and dealer transfers.

you can also get around the lock requirement by signing an affidavit stating that you have a ca doj approved safe.

if i'm mistaken, then i've been doing alot of wrong recently. :D

The lock must be a seperate item on the receipt, according to John Lockyear (CA Atty General) on 01 JAN 03 interview in LA Times. My friend who is a dealer in Lancaster also recieved a memo (which I have seen, held, and read) from CA DOJ that states the lock must be noted as sold seperately on the receipt at a minimum of $7 (that is what the state sells them for if you purchase one from them).

If you sign an affadavit that you have a safe and are therefore exempt you must furnish the make, model, and serial number of the safe to the FFL dealer, and it must be one from an approved list. False info on the safe affadavit is a felony in CA.

Evan Stevens
05-18-2006, 01:05 AM
MO is right. Maybee you have a cool FFL, look at your reciept I bet it says gun lock $7. They can subtract the $7 from the cost of the gun to cover the lock, but not give you the lock for free. It is just another way to scare people from buying guns.

gundoc
05-18-2006, 12:40 PM
If you sign an affadavit that you have a safe and are therefore exempt you must furnish the make, model, and serial number of the safe to the FFL dealer, and it must be one from an approved list. False info on the safe affadavit is a felony in CA.
so in California to get around buying a useless gunlock you have to list the make and model of your firearms safe on a signed affadavit ...now not only do they know what types of firearms you may own..they also know what they are stored in..the false safe info part really gets under my skin ..so now its a felony to put down false info..just what would be considered false? .i dont know about you but i have been through several different safes/vaults over the years...are they going house to house doing checks? say if in 2006 i own a fort knox vault, and in 2007 my wife wants to remodel the house. the 900 pound fort knox behemoth has to go or its divorce court time,so i sell it, and decide to store my weapons in a bedroom closet am i now a felon?.or in Commiefornia do i have to produce a dated sales receipt for the private sale of my property? guilty till proven innocent!! its another example of useless "FEEL GOOD" laws passed by a bunch of nitwits that dont have a clue...i lived there for a 2 years after my service in the military ended...i dont miss it at all..even 20+ years ago it felt like i was living in a foreign country

jmz5
05-18-2006, 01:26 PM
I agree, that law is crap
:goodpost:

rips31
05-18-2006, 04:34 PM
The lock must be a seperate item on the receipt, according to John Lockyear (CA Atty General) on 01 JAN 03 interview in LA Times. My friend who is a dealer in Lancaster also recieved a memo (which I have seen, held, and read) from CA DOJ that states the lock must be noted as sold seperately on the receipt at a minimum of $7 (that is what the state sells them for if you purchase one from them).

If you sign an affadavit that you have a safe and are therefore exempt you must furnish the make, model, and serial number of the safe to the FFL dealer, and it must be one from an approved list. False info on the safe affadavit is a felony in CA.
honestly, i've only had 2 receipts (out of 6) that indicate a seperate lock on it. and for both, it just lists the lock on the receipt, but there's no price for it. all the rest, nada. guess that makes either me or the dealer (or both) guilty?

there's a form they fill out that says that the handgun comes w/a lock. they just check the line that states that and it's done.

i signed an affidavit once, for some cheap safe that i couldn't recall the model of. then i got rid of it and am looking for a new one.

i'm sure there is a real cadoj letter stating such. i'm not disputing the law w/mo (i know better), i just report on what i know/have been thru.

btw, our ag is bill lockyer. :)

rips31
05-18-2006, 04:37 PM
so in California to get around buying a useless gunlock you have to list the make and model of your firearms safe on a signed affadavit ...now not only do they know what types of firearms you may own..they also know what they are stored in..the false safe info part really gets under my skin ..so now its a felony to put down false info..just what would be considered false? .i dont know about you but i have been through several different safes/vaults over the years...are they going house to house doing checks? say if in 2006 i own a fort knox vault, and in 2007 my wife wants to remodel the house. the 900 pound fort knox behemoth has to go or its divorce court time,so i sell it, and decide to store my weapons in a bedroom closet am i now a felon?.or in Commiefornia do i have to produce a dated sales receipt for the private sale of my property? guilty till proven innocent!! its another example of useless "FEEL GOOD" laws passed by a bunch of nitwits that dont have a clue...i lived there for a 2 years after my service in the military ended...i dont miss it at all..even 20+ years ago it felt like i was living in a foreign country
lol...the travesty is how i need to have an approved safety device for my stripped rifle lowers. :rulez

but i agree...i got rid of a safe that i used to have and am looking for something bigger. wonder if the cadoj will know about that and get me into trouble.

Medula Oblongata
05-18-2006, 05:11 PM
Never forget about CA's "Secure firearms storage" law. This states that all handguns MUST be disabled or in a safe at all times in a home where a child is present and may not be accessable to them unless under the direct physical supervision of their parent or guardian. A minor is not even allowed to be at a shooting range with a scout troop where they are shooting handguns unless their parents are in attendance, although I have never heard of a scout or their parents being cited. Violation of the secure storage law is a misdomeanor, unless the firearm is used in a crime at which time it becomes a felony.

If a minor child breaks into a home and steals a handgun that was not disabled or in a safe, the owner is guilty of violating the secure storage law also. Failure to report the theft of a handgun within 72 hours is also a crime in CA. Yes, you can actually be thrown in prison if your property is stolen and used in a crime. But only if its a gun. If they steal your car and run uver a bunch of kindergardners you are fine, but if they steal a gun you go to jail.

Under the law in CA if you are exempt from having to purchase a lock because you have a safe, and then later sell the safe, you are obligated to "securely" store the weapons in a disabled state immediately upon the sale of said safe. In other words you have to go buy trigger locks. Oh yeah, even if your guns are trigger locked and it is stolen and the lock is removed regardless of means of removal, you can still be arrested for violating the secure storage law.

Yes, Atty General is Bill Lockyear, not John, my mistake. Every time I think of him, i think of excrement and toilets, so John just seemed to fit at the time.

Medula Oblongata
05-18-2006, 05:30 PM
Oh yeah, another thing I forgot to mention is CA's "Assault weapons ban." If you have a registered "assault weapon" (unregistered weapons are felonies and registration ended in "00") you must give permission for the DOJ or its agents (sheriff or police) to search your home for the weapon at any time, without a warrant, and as many times a year as they wish. You must also store the "assault weapon" in an approved safe or vault at all times. The "assault weapon" may only be fired in an "approved" public or private shooting range registered with the state as an "assault weapon range." Hunting may NEVER be performed with it, nor may you shoot it anywhere other than an approved range, NOT EVEN ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.

In CA the police also have to right to enter and remove any firearm from a home where the police believe that the person has committed a crime, or will commit a crime, that would cause them to have a firearms disability, without a warrant, and without recourse. You must go to court and wait as long as 2 YEARS before your property is returned. Any order of protection (restraining order), even if its a preliminary one, temporary in nature, regardless if there is a claim of violence, etc. is an IMMEDIATE disability to ownership and you must surrender to the police the weapons (which will never be returned, and without compensation) or show proof of sale to an FFL dealer within 48 hours. Believe me when I say, they actually come to your door when the order is emplaced and "offer" to take the weapons with them. Most of the time they remove them even if the owner states he will take them to an FFL dealer post haste. The disability is LIFETIME, unless a judge rules that the order was erroneously emplaced (i.e. the person seeking it was found to be lying, etc), and there is NO appeal of the disability, save a PARDON from the Gov or President.

Police also have the right to randomly search homes for firearms if a shooting has occured in the AREA, even though the occupant is not suspected of any crime. KNOCK KNOCK "WHO'S THERE?" ... "POLICE, GIVE US YOUR GUNS" <<<sound of door being forced open...>>> Welcome to the People's Republik of Kalifornia, thank you for your cooperation.

rips31
05-18-2006, 06:02 PM
If a minor child breaks into a home and steals a handgun that was not disabled or in a safe, the owner is guilty of violating the secure storage law also. Failure to report the theft of a handgun within 72 hours is also a crime in CA. Yes, you can actually be thrown in prison if your property is stolen and used in a crime. But only if its a gun. If they steal your car and run uver a bunch of kindergardners you are fine, but if they steal a gun you go to jail.

Under the law in CA if you are exempt from having to purchase a lock because you have a safe, and then later sell the safe, you are obligated to "securely" store the weapons in a disabled state immediately upon the sale of said safe. In other words you have to go buy trigger locks. Oh yeah, even if your guns are trigger locked and it is stolen and the lock is removed regardless of means of removal, you can still be arrested for violating the secure storage law.

Yes, Atty General is Bill Lockyear, not John, my mistake. Every time I think of him, i think of excrement and toilets, so John just seemed to fit at the time.
yup, our storage laws suck. trigger/cable lock usually just sits in the case it comes with. lol.

but i believe there's a provision that if you live alone or with no expectation of kids around and someone breaks in and steals a gun and shoots someone, you're not liable, similar to if you shoot someone breaking into your home (and have the assumption of great bodily harm to yourself...yea, lame provision here) you can use deadly force (but only until they're no longer a threat). our laws really do suck.

hehehe...nice one, mo. i should try that line at calguns. :D

gundoc
05-18-2006, 08:03 PM
i say sell the whole freakin place back to Mexico...and start buying up all that future beach front property in Arizona ,and Nevada... :p ..whats the next gun law out there going to be? the required use of an arc welder to render the weapons in a disabled state .if childern are present or if a full moon falls on the 3 week of the month?..it makes no sence..are the gang bangers out there buying gun locks? are they filling out 4473 forms? laws are written for the law abiding to follow ...but maybe thats to simple of a concept for those CA politicians..or is it?

rips31
05-18-2006, 08:37 PM
i say sell the whole freakin place back to Mexico...and start buying up all that future beach front property in Arizona ,and Nevada... :p ..whats the next gun law out there going to be? the required use of an arc welder to render the weapons in a disabled state .if childern are present or if a full moon falls on the 3 week of the month?..it makes no sence..are the gang bangers out there buying gun locks? are they filling out 4473 forms? laws are written for the law abiding to follow ...but maybe thats to simple of a concept for those CA politicians..or is it?
lol. actually, the cadoj just released a memo (no date/signature) saying that all self-loading rifles with capability of a removable magazine must make it non-removable. law says that a magazine must be fixed such that it takes 'tools and time' to un-fix.

and yup, ca politicians can't grasp the fact that states with shall-issue ccw aren't running red w/blood, while handgun-related crime rates in chicago and dc haven't declined as much as would be expected.

Evan Stevens
05-19-2006, 12:50 AM
Chicago and DC, The crime rate has RISEN since the bans. Shall issue states the crime rates have dropped since they started issuing carry permits. I hear you can get a carry permit in Kern County CA just not Los Angles and a few others. Compare crime rates in Kern county to Los Angles County. I like Arizona, if I move west ever agin it will be to Lake Havasu City.

gundoc
05-19-2006, 01:16 AM
lol. actually, the cadoj just released a memo (no date/signature) saying that all self-loading rifles with capability of a removable magazine must make it non-removable. law says that a magazine must be fixed such that it takes 'tools and time' to un-fix.

and yup, ca politicians can't grasp the fact that states with shall-issue ccw aren't running red w/blood, while handgun-related crime rates in chicago and dc haven't declined as much as would be expected.
so if you have a Browning BAR (the hunting rifle not the other BAR) or a Remington 742 / 7400 your screwed ...now you have a single shot...how about a Ruger 10/22 ..another single shot !...who elected these people? ,and how do they keep getting back in office? you know it will only end when all guns are outlawed there..its just a matter of time

Milehigh
05-19-2006, 01:35 AM
I cant even belive thier part of the U.S. still. I know they cant succeed from the union but can we kick em out? Mabey that would keep most of the liberal idea's there and not poisoning the rest of the country. I'm with MO, but where do these people get law degree's? preschool?

rips31
05-19-2006, 06:13 PM
so if you have a Browning BAR (the hunting rifle not the other BAR) or a Remington 742 / 7400 your screwed ...now you have a single shot...how about a Ruger 10/22 ..another single shot !...who elected these people? ,and how do they keep getting back in office? you know it will only end when all guns are outlawed there..its just a matter of time
yes, the laws just suck here. and all my handguns are technically illegal for me to possess. silly thing is that my 12ga is perfectly legal. wonder what does more damage.

gundoc
05-19-2006, 11:30 PM
Frisco baned handguns? the city of Dirty Harry !!

rips31
05-22-2006, 04:44 PM
Frisco baned handguns? the city of Dirty Harry !!
yup...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2005/09/14/cstillwell.DTL

gunsho919
05-22-2006, 05:53 PM
CA laws are confusing

Dend78
05-31-2006, 04:01 PM
i think i have one lock and about..........hmmmm yeah one lock should cover it...........LMAO