View Full Version : Code RED at my kids school BG with gun
05-02-2006, 10:37 PM
Went to pick up my step daughter from middle school today and the Charlotte County Police had the school blocked off. I find out that an armed masked man was seen in around the front office. The volleyball coach had my kid and the rest of the team huddle down in the locker room and remain quiet while the police arrived on scene.
Carly(step daughter) called my wife and said she was ok but, had to go. After an hour of searching the school the kids were walked outside and released to parents. Charlotte County's finest were armed with AR15's and combat shotguns. One female officer not much taller than the AR she was issued demanded ID from a school worker. Needless to say the poor guy probably had to change his shorts.
The police had only the nearby entryways blocked off and no guards at those areas at that. There were cars of parents driving through the baracades which consisted of only a patrol car parked longways.
Let me get this straight, an armed masked man is seen after school. There are kids present and the parents are aloud to drive right up to the school? I have a problem with this.
Why? Well, #1. A bg with a gun is not something you want the public to be close to or harmed by.
#2. The bg would have no trouble blending in with the rest of the 20+ cars and crowds of spectators.
#3. Holding kids right by the school where a potential madman was seen is dumb? I saw only one officer with the kids as it was and for all we know that bg could of been right there.
I was happy to see my step-daughter but, there was so many things that could of went wrong.
I would of had atleast a one block perimater taped off and had guards at each baracade. I would of sent a police van to drive the kids to a safe location away from the school. This is not rocket science. The only one that acted in a logic manner was the coach who happened to be a former Marine.
Am I being overly critical or protective? You tell me.
05-02-2006, 11:59 PM
i'd say your spot on.......someone dropped the ball. The only way to act the way they did would be if the bg was in custody and they were absolutley sure there were not any more.
05-03-2006, 12:40 AM
You rite on they "barney fied" the F@ck out of that one.
Do you have any recourse through dept/state office's?
At least in ILL you could file a complaint with the office for professional standards
05-03-2006, 12:58 AM
They did not find shhhht from what I was told. The officers I did see were standing around like it was anyother day. The drug task force was under fire for taking money that was evidence and that is only what the public knows of. Drop the ball they were not even in the game. There are good officers and there are bad ones. In this case I think Rosco Pecotrain(Dukes of Hazard) was running the show.
No media was there. Why? 1. The media was probably told not to show up because of the danger. Danger that this screw up was caught on tv. My step daughter told me she was stuck in the locker room for an hour. Yeah, it takes that long to comb the school when there are a couple of officers in the front doing nothing.
OK, maybe they did not have the #'s at the time to do things in a timely manner I will accept that but, come on, use common sense.
The problem is Charlotte County is not corporated and has people not making the best of decisions. This is my oppinion and my say so may not count. Then again I have lived here for over 34 years.
05-03-2006, 02:40 AM
I love the way marines think. It's very different from Law Enforcement. I'm sure you've all heard the story from the LA riots where the marines were assisting LAPD and ran into a minor terminology difference.
"Police officers responded to a domestic dispute, accompanied by marines. They had just gone up to the door when two shotgun birdshot rounds were fired through the door, hitting the officers. One yelled `cover me!' to the marines, who then laid down a heavy base of fire. . . . The police officer had not meant `shoot' when he yelled `cover me' to the marines. [He] meant . . . point your weapons and be prepared to respond if necessary. However, the marines responded instantly in the precise way they had been trained, where `cover me' means provide me with cover using firepower. . . . over two hundred bullets [were] fired into that house."
Now that story time is over, I'm glad the situation at psssed90's daughter's school turned out ok and there was someone thinking clearly.
05-03-2006, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the input. Now, get this. We get automated phone calls of recorded messages from the schools incase of schedule changes and or updated news on school events.
We received a recorded call from the principle saying that we all ready probably heard through the newspaper or tv that the school was in a code red. Yada yada yada. The important thing was that the principle said it was a crank call and they arrested the person that made the call.
Now, there is a big difference between a teacher/coach saying he saw and he heard. In either case even if it was a prank call you still should take better precautions. How did the teacher know about the mask? You mean someone called the school and was dumb enough to call from their home? Shhhht, in high school I knew of kids that were in my class that would go to the mall and call in a bomb threat to close the school down. I was never friends of these individuals but, knew of them after it happened.
My point is things don't add up. I have a story from my daughter and the story from the recorded voice of the principle. WTF!
Nothing on news.
I am not going to say cover-up but, I guess I just typed it.
I just wanted to add that I am no expert but, I have been known to be a jerk when it comes to using logic and common sense. I also like to play "Command and Conquer" on the laptop during quiet times at work.
05-03-2006, 09:28 AM
Does sound like the school is trying to pass the buck, don't want any upset parents thinking that some failing of the school put little timmy in danger and to start warming up the family lawyers.
05-03-2006, 10:03 AM
Not only that but, the principle would not get any popularity votes along with the sheriff who recently had to fire an officer for taking $50 from drug bust evidence. What we need is a sheriff with good past military experience. Anyone interested?
05-03-2006, 10:08 AM
I'd offer Sheriff Joe, that guy scares me. Don't get me wrong, he does a great job, but he's a bit of a camera queen, and no police department needs a self propelled artillery piece (even if it's just used as a promotional tool)
good thing everyone got home safe and sound
05-03-2006, 10:53 AM
I Think that it is a good thing that no one was hurt, but you should write a letter to the local cheif of law enforcement, and the head of the precinct that responded to the call, as well as writing letters to the editors of your local papers if you don't get a response (or even if you do). I think you would be going overboard if you were blaming the response on the officers themselves - it sounds like an issue with training and SOP regarding these kinds of situations.
05-04-2006, 12:08 AM
[QUOTE] I think you would be going overboard if you were blaming the response on the officers themselves - it sounds like an issue with training and SOP regarding these kinds of situations.
I am sure the response was repectable as far as time it took to get to the scene but, as far as how it was handled even a non-law enforcment individual like myself could of handled it more effectively. Now after saying that I hope no officers on this forum bash me. It is just that I even talked to other officers of a different county and they agreed with me. I am sure there were perfect intentions but, the out come was far from perfect. I hope this is a wake up call for the department.
Also, as far as the coverup why try? I mean there are so many people that know the truth.
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