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Crunge
04-30-2006, 03:13 PM
I just got back from seeing United 93. It is an incredibly good movie, and it is as intense as it is good. At least three people walked out during the movie as the hijacking progressed. The movie avoids being political in any way, merely telling the story in more-or-less real-time. It captures all of the confusion surrounding the attacks of 9/11 as well as the heroism of the people aboard flight 93. I highly recommend this movie for anyone except people already nervous about flying. It will make you angry, it will make you proud, and despite the fact that you know what happens, the ending will absolutely tear at you.

Prometheus
04-30-2006, 04:23 PM
I might take some heat for this but...

Quote from the trailer:
"They sat down as 45, they stood up as 1"

More nonsense IMO. How about:

"They sat down as 45 and about a dozen had the guts to actually do anything"
Or maybe:
"Out of 4 plane loads full of sheeple, about a dozen people finally grew a pair."
possibly
"Several hundred people sat idle and allowed 18 to murder them and thousands more, here is the story of the dozen who said 'No"."

Sorry, I'm not buying into it all. Everything from hollywierd is suspect and if nothing else this is probably a propoganda piece to salvage bushes steadily dropping poll numbers.

jmz5
04-30-2006, 04:26 PM
i agree with that

Crunge
04-30-2006, 07:41 PM
"They sat down as 45 and about a dozen had the guts to actually do anything"
Or maybe:
"Out of 4 plane loads full of sheeple, about a dozen people finally grew a pair."
possibly
"Several hundred people sat idle and allowed 18 to murder them and thousands more, here is the story of the dozen who said 'No"."

I think that it's easy to look back through the prism of time and see it this way, but it's important to remember what the world was like on and before 9/10/2001. Not a single previous hijacking had been a suicide mission. People had always been taught that you should do what the hijackers say; eventually, it will be over and you'll live through it. Thus, the people on the first three planes thought they were doing the right thing. I have no doubt that had they known what was to transpire, they would have risen up just as those on United 93 did. Remember that the only reason United 93 passengers revolted was because they learned of the other attacks through phone calls home (and this isn't something from the movie; it was known by 9/12/2001.)

You comment that several hundred sat idle seems to be blaming the victims.


Sorry, I'm not buying into it all. Everything from hollywierd is suspect and if nothing else this is probably a propoganda piece to salvage bushes steadily dropping poll numbers.

The filmmaker worked with the families of those on United 93. Almost every family supported his efforts, and a number of them showed up for the premiere. As I mentioned, this movie is completely non-political, and if you see it you'll understand what I mean. To think that anything out of Hollywood could be pro-Bush is somewhat laughable, at least to me. But hey, that's the beauty of this country: we can disagree and both raise our points in public.

jmz5
04-30-2006, 09:44 PM
very deep :goodpost:

Rypht
05-01-2006, 03:19 AM
I saw this movie friday, I thought it was very well done and not over sensationalized. They portrayed the clusterfuck that was happening on the ground trying to get a bureaucracy's worth of chains of communications to react quickly and efficiently, exceptionally well. It's easy to see why FEMA is being dismantled if just compare these events and the ponderous nature of these type of systems.

The director of this movie worked with alot of the families of those who died in flight 93, he wanted to be as accurate and faithful to the people as possible. Of course he was taking liberty with the actual events beyond what they know from phone calls.

It should be noted that some of the people (air traffic controllers) in the movie were the actual people who were dealing with those events on 9/11, not everyone in the movie are actors.

Why is it, that it takes a foreign director to make movies that portray American events honestly? While they weren't directed by the same people but both United 93 and Black Hawk Down were directed by british directors who took great care to talk to friends, family, and where possible the actual people involved to portray the subject matter in a way that does the memory of those lost and the event justice.

panzermk2
05-01-2006, 02:25 PM
Also you must take into account proven group response. Studies have shown that if now one does anything people will sit around while listening to someone be beaten behind a curtain. You canít blame them for not reacting like most of us.
Since I fly 2 to 6 times or more a week. Prior to 9/11 knowing very well what normally happens in those conditions I would play wait and see. In the past you flew to Cuba or other facsimile and sat on a runway for 2 days until the stand off ended.
After 9/11 bodies would be dropping. Unlike what you see in the movies it is much faster and easier to kill someone with your bare hands if youíre trained correctly (15 yrs Aikido). Now even sheeple are going to handle things better.

panzermk2
05-01-2006, 02:26 PM
Also I don't think I am going to see the movie since I don't need to be reminded about what kind of filth we are fighting

panzermk2wife
05-17-2006, 01:32 AM
Why is it, that it takes a foreign director to make movies that portray American events honestly? While they weren't directed by the same people but both United 93 and Black Hawk Down were directed by british directors who took great care to talk to friends, family, and where possible the actual people involved to portray the subject matter in a way that does the memory of those lost and the event justice.

IMO I believe the US Directors are in it strictly for the money and not finding out what the truth is. They want the hype & glory and not really wanting to work for it.

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