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Rypht
04-12-2006, 07:19 AM
You guys might have seen this video a couple years ago, well the story continues (link below has the original video as well as the story):

APRIL 11--A Drug Enforcement Administration agent who stars in a popular online video that shows him shooting himself in the foot during a weapons demonstration for Florida children is suing over the tape's release, claiming that his career has been crippled and he's become a laughingstock due to the embarrassing clip's distribution.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0411061foot1.html

Personally, I always thought the video was faked, just nothing about it seems right. Guess I was wrong.

btown02
04-12-2006, 08:00 AM
The guy violated most of the rules of gun safety and was very lucky he only shot himself and not one of the kids. If one of those kids in the class were mine I'd sue him for the danger he placed them in. Some people and as you can see some Cops, should not be allowed to have guns.

jmz5
04-12-2006, 08:56 AM
i have never seen that before, yeah, that guy would most definately have some problems, a loaded gun in a classroom demonstration is just plain stupid.

The Deviant
04-12-2006, 09:34 AM
Wow. I didn't know you could sue for being a dummy... (Well, I guess I *did* guess Sheesh!)

At least he is right on one thing - he *is* a laughing stock. A buddy of mine said when they were in the FBI training academy, everyone in the group totally got a kick out of that idiot.

My favorite part is that just prior to the 'incident' he is telling everyone how unqualified they are to handle the weapons, and that *he* is the only one qualified.

ruf
04-12-2006, 12:51 PM
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Paige, who writes that he was "once regarded as one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA," points to the clip's recent airing on popular television shows and via the Internet as the reason he can no longer work undercover. He also notes that he is no longer "permitted or able to give educational motivational speeches and presentations."
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My response from another forum:
The act of accidentally shooting himself on video was more educational and motivational than any of his self-glorifying speeches. He should be happy that his poor example has spread this far (already many more than he could have reached in classroom presentations) and hope that it continues to be propogated for the further benefit of others.

btown02
04-12-2006, 01:09 PM
Well said.

Paratrooper117
04-12-2006, 01:14 PM
After his performance in this video, he deserves to be a laughing stock. I laugh in his general direction.

Medula Oblongata
04-12-2006, 02:42 PM
I saw this on The Smoking Gun yesterday and nearly squirted milk out of my nose I laughed so hard. "Im the only one in this romm, that I am aware of, that is responsible enough to carry a loaded gun..." BANG!!!

If he is a responsible gun owner, I am Janet Reno's love slave :MM

I watched as he racked his slide, but did not remove the magazine, began to talk about his "Glock 40" (I assume he means G22), closes the slide, and WHAMO!!! What kind of idiot does this? The kind who also doesn't look into the chamber before closing the slide and dry firing. My next question is why was he carrying a loaded piece into a school where he would be removing it from its holster and demonstrating with it? In all honesty he set himself up for failure when he woke up that morning. Did you notice the M-4 carbine with Eotech site the teacher was asked to pickup and hand to him? I wonder if it was loaded too.

If this guy is an example of "one of the best undercover agents, if not the best, in the DEA" its no wonder we are "loosing" the war on drugs. From now on this guy needs to dress up in a clown suit. What a boob!!! And you and I pay his salary.

rips31
04-12-2006, 03:40 PM
lol...well, dea is supposed to have 1 in the pipe and mags topped off at all times. so, he techically was following the rules, just that he's not following basic gun safety. woulda been more telling if he gave some kid the gun and the kid shot him.

Medula Oblongata
04-12-2006, 04:43 PM
lol...well, dea is supposed to have 1 in the pipe and mags topped off at all times. so, he techically was following the rules, just that he's not following basic gun safety. woulda been more telling if he gave some kid the gun and the kid shot him.

Not to get into a debate about the rules, but, while peace offiers ON OFFICIAL law enforcement duties are authorized to carry into schools (i.e. when stationed at the school, responding to a call, etc) DOJ policy specifically states that the loaded weapon is not to be drawn for demonstration, and that all weapons used in demonstrations are to be non-functioning training guns, and in the case of long arms, bolts or bolt carriers are to be removed rendering the weapon useless.

While it could be debated as to whether or not he was on official business, it also remains blatantly clear that any demonstration using live weapons poses an unacceptable risk, and DOJ specifically prohibits it. His methods resulted in a neglegent discharge, and at BATFE (also part of DOJ) would result in a minimum 10 day suspension and possibly termination.

rips31
04-12-2006, 05:05 PM
Not to get into a debate about the rules, but, while peace offiers ON OFFICIAL law enforcement duties are authorized to carry into schools (i.e. when stationed at the school, responding to a call, etc) DOJ policy specifically states that the loaded weapon is not to be drawn for demonstration, and that all weapons used in demonstrations are to be non-functioning training guns, and in the case of long arms, bolts or bolt carriers are to be removed rendering the weapon useless.

While it could be debated as to whether or not he was on official business, it also remains blatantly clear that any demonstration using live weapons poses an unacceptable risk, and DOJ specifically prohibits it. His methods resulted in a neglegent discharge, and at BATFE (also part of DOJ) would result in a minimum 10 day suspension and possibly termination.
thanks, mo. didn't know the little provision about the demos. my friends in dea always carry w/1 in the chamber, so i thought that was the rule.

of course, the knucklehead shoulda brought the blue/red gun for demo and not even shown his glock. :beat:

Rypht
04-12-2006, 05:34 PM
I still think the whole video looks wrong, he discharged a firearm in a classroom (that's bound to be rather loud) and aside from the slight flinch of the cameraman it's like no one in the room even reacted. No hands covering ears, the kid's whose head is in the frame when he shot himself didn't even flinch. The DEA guy's aides didn't rush to help him, no one moved like there was anything serious happening and the guy tried to continue the demonstration. The one aide rather calmly secured the firearm and collected the shell casing but that was it. The only reaction from the crowd was when he tried to move onto the rifle and they rather insisted he not do it. Like a room full of indifferent zombies. Just the whole scene seemed wrong to me.

Oh, and sorry for posting this in the lounge section, "gun industry and 5.7 issues" of the politics section didn't seem like the place to put it.

jmz5
04-12-2006, 08:08 PM
yea, it seems the kids should flinch a little, i see people at the range flinch a little when they here gunfire, but maybe the kids live in a bad neighborhood and are used to it?

btown02
04-13-2006, 08:11 AM
Oh, and sorry for posting this in the lounge section, "gun industry and 5.7 issues" of the politics section didn't seem like the place to put it.
As much as I hate to admit it, Glock is a gun, and stunts like this have an impact on the industry as a whole so probably better here.

rips31
04-13-2006, 12:49 PM
yea, it seems the kids should flinch a little, i see people at the range flinch a little when they here gunfire, but maybe the kids live in a bad neighborhood and are used to it?
yea...i recall a range trip where a gal in stilettoes jumped when i started double-tapping my sig. she was 2 lanes over, with maybe 2 other lanes in use in our bay. my shooting partner saw it and laughed while telling me abt it after.

Tru_blu1
04-13-2006, 01:00 PM
I always took it as the kids thought it was part of the class.. they jumped alittle.. and seeing as the shot didnt have time to make a bunch of noise (cause the bullet busted his foot) no crack just more like a thud... that is how i always view the video... but to sue over the release of the video.. thats a class-act there...... if it was my old department he would be lucky to have a job...

gunsho919
04-13-2006, 02:18 PM
no sh%&. Man i did alot of stupid things on the job when i was a cop, nothing that wouldve gotten me fired, but something like that, I wouldve not even bothered showing up for work the next day, let alone sue because of my own stupidity

lwhespel
04-13-2006, 07:38 PM
Rypht: Take it from someone that was in the same room when someone else unexpectedly discharged a 45acp - it was loud but not as loud as you might think. I also didn't jump out of my skin. A lot of what is in the room helps absorb the sound. Even in that classroom their was enough stuff on the walls and certainly quite a few people, clothing etc. to soak up the noise a little.

Don't discount the element of surprise in the reaction of those present either. I think if I had been expecting the person to crank a round off it would have seemed louder and I probably would have flinched.

Larry

walter34payton2002
08-21-2006, 11:48 PM
Here is an older video that I just saw recently where the DEA agent speaks at a middle school to tell kids to stay away from guns. My favorite part is when he says, "this is a Glock 40 and I'm the only one in this room qualified to carry it that I know of," BOOM- shoots himself. Unbelievable and so irresponsible. He probably made every one of them a Brady Life member. What a moron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Vvi8LR9LQ
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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; When the
government fears the people, there is liberty."- Thomas Jefferson

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will
look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." --
Mahatma Gandhi

Medula Oblongata
08-22-2006, 12:38 AM
:horse:

Old news, my friend. But thanks for the reminder. Makes me squirt milk out of my nose every time. In fact, I go get a glass of milk before I watch it just to be safe.

Here is a brilliant thought! Lets get this Joker (I won't mention his name and give him any more free press) together with Eddie Eagle. They can go into a classroom, and the Joker can shoot himself in the foot... Then Eddie can give his "gunsafe" message. I bet the kids would really appreciate the dynamic display and the message (and the comedy).

STOP

DON'T TOUCH

LEAVE THE AREA

TELL AN ADULT

(Some one should have goven this message to the Joker)

EARS
08-22-2006, 12:43 AM
They should have made him carry his bullet in his shirt pocket like Barney. Of course, Barney almost shot himself several times also.

Medula Oblongata
08-22-2006, 01:18 AM
Old Barney did nearly shoot himself a few times, but the Joker was much funnier! I would PAY to see him do that in public. I'd pay more if he would do some break dancing afterwards... Hey wait! A new ghetto sport is in order! Bang dancing! (This is where you intentionally shoot yourself in the foot before acrobatic dancing)

I remember years ago reading an article in the "Valley Press" (Lancaster California) about a man who shot himself in the foot 3 TIMES in the same day while cleaning his gun collection. I don't remember the details perfectly, but I do remember that he first shot himself with a 22, then a 9mm, and finally a .357 127grn JSP. When asked why he didn't immediately go to the hospital, he said he didn't immediately realize the seriousness of the situation. He had been drinking (a lot). He said that the .357 really hurt though, as it was a soft point and did a lot of tissue damage.

btown02
08-22-2006, 03:44 AM
Here is an older video
That says it all. :)

panzermk2wife
08-24-2006, 01:29 AM
yea...i recall a range trip where a gal in stilettoes jumped when i started double-tapping my sig.

Who in the world goes to a range in Stilettoes to go shooting. How stupid.

rips31
08-24-2006, 01:56 PM
she was on a date, i think. she was tall, long legs, nice bod, and cute. too bad she shot better than the guy she was with. :D

Sniper111
08-28-2006, 04:02 PM
In my world that's what we call a "keeper".

jmz5
08-28-2006, 04:39 PM
haha, yeah

rips31
08-28-2006, 05:30 PM
In my world that's what we call a "keeper".
lol...maybe. too bad she was only shooting a 22lr. my friend was shooting my 40sw p229 and the other gal's dood was more impressed with my friend. lol.

panzermk2wife
08-29-2006, 11:41 AM
In my world that's what we call a "keeper".

A keeper. Pretty stupid to wear heels to a gun range.
In a woman's world we call that stupid :D .....lmao

Sniper111
08-29-2006, 07:07 PM
Was referring to her martial skills not her wardrobe choices LOL.

My babydoll prefers Corcoran jump boots and pink socks. She's damn good with her CZ75 compact too :)

btown02
08-29-2006, 07:27 PM
Was referring to her martial skills not her wardrobe choices LOL.

I was thinking it was a combo of the two. :D

rips31
08-29-2006, 08:35 PM
Was referring to her martial skills not her wardrobe choices LOL.

My babydoll prefers Corcoran jump boots and pink socks. She's damn good with her CZ75 compact too :)
i'd think you were referring to both, assuming she could shoot a bigger calibre, too. :)

babydoll? does your girl wear that to the range, too? wow...yours is better than the one in stilletoes. :D

UltraFudd
08-29-2006, 08:41 PM
Was referring to her martial skills not her wardrobe choices LOL.

My babydoll prefers Corcoran jump boots and pink socks. She's damn good with her CZ75 compact too :)

:ttiwwp:

Corky's & pink. Gee, I can just see her making the leap and the Sniper hollering "Prepare for a hard PLF"!