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p99guy
03-25-2006, 11:13 AM
Guys I was cruising around over on arfcom and found this thread that shows a true tradjedy played out in front of a patrol cars dash cam. Go over and read the posts to get a feel for the situation and the official outcome....but DO NOT watch the film clip with kids in the room, even I found it very desturbing....the screams of the officer being repatedly shot in the arms and legs with a .30 M1 carbine after shooting the BG with a .40S&W in the abdomin(before being executed by the BG with a shot to the eye)is still with me a day later. its bad
I only offer this as a very grim edjucation that real life gunplay isnt like on a movie....it is for keeps. If you do choose to watch that film clip I am warning you again..it will take a dump on your day...it will anger you....it will sicken you. It will
make you sit there stunned ,and not so much at what you seen but what you heard.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=448845

btown02
03-25-2006, 11:20 AM
Nothing you can add to that.

p99guy
03-25-2006, 11:24 AM
I havent seen anything on the computer that stunned me like that did last night....I swear I heard that scream in my sleep.

btown02
03-25-2006, 11:31 AM
What makes it worse is all those monday morning quarterbacks that want to second guess the Officer.

p99guy
03-25-2006, 11:58 AM
You are at a distinct disadvantage when you are a familiy man with regard for human life, and the person your facing that day has no regard for your life, his life, or any one else's
and has sidestepped any moral roadblocks that that allow a polite sociaty to function.

Medula Oblongata
03-25-2006, 12:02 PM
Makes me sad :(

May the Almighty bless and keep him; and make his countenance to shine upon him.

btown02
03-25-2006, 12:06 PM
Amen MO.

p99guy
03-25-2006, 12:10 PM
Truly MO..Amen

748
03-25-2006, 07:41 PM
Poor cop that sucks, that should not have happended.
I have never seen a cop and bad guy shoot out like that befor.
Mainly because That bad guy was way to agressive. That was not his first shoot out.
Looked more like a gun fight on a battle field or even a paint ball game.
When did this happen?
I don't know, but if you were in a shoot out like that would you have wanted a fiveseven pistol?

btown02
03-25-2006, 07:46 PM
That bad guy was way to agressive. if you were in a shoot out like that would you have wanted a fiveseven pistol?
Most people that are trying to kill you appear that way, and the answer to the second part, yes.

DmL5
03-25-2006, 08:09 PM
I don't know, but if you were in a shoot out like that would you have wanted a fiveseven pistol?Lower recoil leading to better shot placement (and/or more rounds on target) might have saved the cop's life.



- DmL

EARS
03-25-2006, 09:19 PM
I have no words. But I wish the senator from NYC would see this. He wants a law to charge Police Officers with 2nd dgree manslaughter for killing a person in self defense. He wants it mandated that Officers must shoot only in the arms or leg to disarm someone using deadly force. My prayers to that Officer's family.

kamo
03-25-2006, 10:34 PM
I think the part of the video that bothered me the most was the audio.

panzermk2
03-26-2006, 11:22 AM
I think the part of the video that bothered me the most was the audio.
You can't look away with your ears

Axehole
03-26-2006, 03:41 PM
For what its worth I believe god will bless him for deciding not to take that mans life when he truly had the world behind him if he were to kill that guy to protect his own life. I do not believe I could have made that sacrifice, “for he truly is his brothers keeper.”

EARS
03-26-2006, 04:59 PM
As the momument in Washington D.C. says, "It's not how they died, but the how they lived" or words to that effect. (The Fallen Police Officer's Momument.)

SilentType
03-26-2006, 10:19 PM
Well,

The police officer made the decision to enter law enforcement of his own free will. He knew the risks and we should all be grateful that there are individuals willing to take those risks for not a lot of money. No reason to feel bad for the police officer though, because he is in a better place. However, I feel bad for his family and those who loved him. Everyone of us will meet his own end and when it happens it will be what it will be.

natrab
04-08-2006, 11:06 PM
I'm not sure on his particular departments "rules for engagement," but if it were me I'd have shot the hell out of that guy once he had the gun. Then I'd have gone to jail. Problem is, that's not what the officer is trained to do and he is obligated by the law to put himself at MORE risk for the sake of helping people. He held himself to that higher standard to the bitter end, and it WAS the end for him. It's a truly noble position and that's why I respect it so much. Yes, a LEO assumes that risk of death moreso than your average person at their own will, but it doesn't make a case like this any less of a travesty.

From a medical standpoint, I noticed that the guy with the rifle was entirely altered. The problem is that police must try to reason with everyone, yet this guy was not there. I've seen a whole lot of crazy people in my day, and that guy was back in the war. That poor officer happened to be on the wrong end of his rifle.

On a less emotional sidenote, that video really illustrates how much difference there is between a rifle and a pistol when faced off against each other. Could a 57 have been a better contender against an M1? I think so, but I'm far from being an expert. Ballistics can save lives.

748
04-09-2006, 01:23 AM
"that guy was back in the war"
That's why that shoot out looked so vastly different form BG and cop running around a car and shooting at each other like you see most of the time.

I do like my Fiveseven a lot more now that I have gone to shoot it some more, with my reloads. I can dump 20 rounds on a target all most like I have a rifle in the palm of my hand. It's an assault pistol, all most like having a bullet hose in your hands. You can't do that with a 45 or any other gun I have ever used. It's so different then any thing else it's not quite like going form an 6 shot revolver to an auto loader but it's close. A little less muzzle energy but you get way more fire power.
I can see why it would make a good LE gun.
The guys that made the Fiveseven figured out that speed kills.