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Nosferatu
02-28-2006, 10:08 PM
I don't normally do this kind of stuff...but I think it's important you know what kind of people you deal with. This is a message I received from Mike at LE Sales USA, a gun dealer.

He was mad because a moderator emailed him about a classifieds add that he posted. The mod didn't know that I had given him permisssion to post the thread, completly my fault as I forgot to tell them (ever forget? It happened to me.)

So, Mike decides the best way to handle this is to send a really coarse email, trying to win my affection, obviously. :)

Well, here's the exchange. I hope you all decide not to do any business with this clown. He has shown his ass and insulted the membership, something I DO NOT tolerate from anyone.

Initial email from Mike:
I did James, and he told me to post in the regular ads which I did. Maybe if you're not the owner you should've checked with him to see if I did get his authority to post before touching my posts. I am posting my personal pistol that are not on any ffl, rather they are on my personal pistol permit. It took three weeks to get a reply from the owner to post my ad and now one of his lackeys takes it down because he knows everything. You have a really well organized site. Even when someone has permission the other moderators don't know about it.

You know what, I have no experience with this board but I tried to bring something to this board that I thought your users would be very interested in. There were people even posting threads referring them to other boards on your site, that had my for sale ad on it from the other site "If you're looking for a 5.7". It's obvious that my post would be of interest to your members. Why don't you check with Kevin before removing my posts.

Mike

My response:
Mike,

Thanks for making a complete ass of yourself. You have been banned. My mods do an excellent job and deserve a ton more respect than you have shown.

I'm sorry that I'm not providing a sufficient forum for you to profit from. I told you you could post these pistols and forgot to mention it to everyone. That was my mistake, but that does not give you the right to slam anyone via email or publicly.

As far as your "It's obvious that my post would be of interest to your members." line, if you truly cared about the membership, then your only post wouldn't be one promoting something for your own personal gain. Don't hand me that line of BS, I've heard it before. Usually it's coming from someone with something to gain financially and looking for free advertising. Not on my dime. I was feeling generous in the hopes you might want to become a sponsor. Well, I'm glad you decided to be a jerk early on as I only promote those that deliver top notch service and goods. I don't tolerate any BS, especially from a low-life dealer.

Regards...

Kevin M. Smith

His 'last word turd' response:
I wasn't slamming anyone. I was stating a fact. That little jerkoff didn't know what he was talking about, and you didn't have the foresight to tell your moderators you broke your own rules so they wouldn't look like little jerkoffs. And to save face you ban me. OK, I could wipe my ass with your pathetic site. "A low life dealer"... the only reason you don't let people post openly is so you could collect subscriptions from your jerkoff members. You know I could sell my wares to your members and make them perfectly happy. But you want to put up a front and say it's my fault because I want to make money. That's why you publicly censor my reponse, so your members can't read about the fact that you put profit over their best interset. For bullshit propagandaists, like your little jerkoff friend "oh, thank a soldier because we're speaking english"...hey, how about "thank censorship, it pays my bills". Kiss my ass you dirty little cocksuckers, right in the crack.

Nosferatu
02-28-2006, 10:15 PM
Now if anyone believes that I make a penny off this site, they are sorely mistaken. Every dollar that comes in from subscribers, forum supporters and merchandise sales goes directly into a bank account that I opened specifically for the forums. The money is used to pay for hosting, software, etc. And guess, what, I'm still in the hole for quite a bit.

748
02-28-2006, 11:36 PM
The money you would make working at an average 40 hour a week job is about what it takes to run a site like this. So I have herd several times in the past from different sites.
Is that about right?
Now if you can get tens of thousands of members and big advertisers it may turn a profit :) .

Milehigh
03-01-2006, 12:58 AM
Mike: For bullshit propagandaists, like your little jerkoff friend "oh, thank a soldier because we're speaking english"

He showed his true colors right there. If he doesn't think he owes his freedom to soldiers he doesnt deserve my business. %&#* that makes me angry I dont even know what else to say............ :mad:

Prolix
03-01-2006, 02:00 AM
But what was his contention with jmz5 anyway? I mean, if I recall correctly, he's the one who uses that signature line. He's not even an admin. Weird.

Anyway, if Nos was only concerned with money, all accounts would be pay-to-play on this site. Or remember when the paid subscription features first went in, but then he re-enabled the Search feature for everyone? Well, that never would've happened if he was motivated only by greed.

I see a lot of attitude from private forum owners these days, but frankly they deserve to show it; these sites are their pet projects, and they have a right to jealously guard them so the sites are used in the manner they desire.

The oddest part is that it doesn't sound like Mike wanted to do anything wrong if he really was selling personal firearms. Just being too impatient to work through a speedbump is not going to help though :rolleyes: Plus I believe it's pretty much bad form for your first post on any gun forum to be a WTS ad. That's why I always disguise my maniacal money-making plans with 124 legitimate posts before I unleash my spammage. Mwahahaha...! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!

gundoc
03-01-2006, 02:38 AM
somebody must have peed in his corn flakes !! it was a simple misunderstanding why go postal over something like this?...is this the same guy who had the IOM tactial with the case of 192 a little while back?

Nightrunner
03-01-2006, 08:21 AM
I wasn't offended at all in his 1'st email.

He just needed to be patient and get through a misunderstanding.

BAD Nosferastu,,,,BAD!!!!!!! I CANNOT believe you are human and actually made a mistake!!!!

HOW DARE YOU?????? 40 LASHES NOW!!!!!!,,,,,,




But seriously,,,, that crap where he was trashinig the tagline about english and soldiers,,,,, well,,,,, F-HIM. Period.

I'm glad he isn't going to make any money here. I'd like to hear that crap spoken face to face from a person like that,,or anybody else for that matter.

My family has served,,some died doing it. I have served,,and I have friends serving right now. One of them have died too.

I take comments like that VERY seriously,,, He burned a bridge right there.

Paratrooper117
03-01-2006, 11:15 AM
Wow! and I thought I was impatient! This is the guy that gives gun owners a bad reputation. Kevin, you did the right thing. As others here have already said, all he had to do was calm down and give it all a chance to get all worked out, but some people just can't do that. And what is with using jmz5's sig line, he didn't have anything to do with it.

jmz5
03-01-2006, 11:29 AM
hmm. hes just mad because he doesnt have it in his sigline :MM :D

ETA: i guess he would rather be speaking german or japanese :rolleyes:

jmz5
03-01-2006, 11:37 AM
I am jealous of others siglines also, mostly paratroopers: Picked up my PS90 on 01/21/2006
SN- FN0359XX :D

Medula Oblongata
03-01-2006, 12:13 PM
I will definately spend my money elsewhere. Whatever happened to civility? This supposed dealer needs to take the "how to win friends and influence people" seminar and soon!!!

I have had to deal with a few scum-bag merchants like this in the past and as soon as there was an alternative to their rude and abusive service, they went out of business in a hurry. I hope that NO ONE will patronize this idiot, and I hope that bankrupcy is in his near future.

jmz5
03-01-2006, 12:17 PM
I dont want to wish ill on anyone, but my money is going elswhere also.

kamo
03-01-2006, 12:21 PM
jmz5, I think i've seen you sig on a bumper sticker... love it.

jmz5
03-01-2006, 12:23 PM
I cant remember when i first saw it, but i like it :)
I think that dealer should have tasted soap when he was younger. :D

jmz5
03-01-2006, 12:24 PM
or maybe franks red hot, thats prolly why i put it on most everything now :D

kamo
03-01-2006, 12:28 PM
uhhh dont say hot sauce. im still recovering from the hotwings i ate last nite.

rips31
03-01-2006, 03:30 PM
that guy needs a life.

Paratrooper117
03-01-2006, 05:37 PM
I am jealous of others siglines also, mostly paratroopers: Picked up my PS90 on 01/21/2006
SN- FN0359XX :D
Soon grasshopper you can have your own sig line proclaiming your ownership of a PS90 :p :D

jmz5
03-01-2006, 10:08 PM
Soon grasshopper you can have your own sig line proclaiming your ownership of a PS90 :p :Dbuut I wannnnt iiiittt nowwww. lol :D

Nosferatu
03-03-2006, 11:05 AM
His partner has been emiling me over the last couple days trying to defend Mikes actions. Aparantly this is SOP there and quite acceptable. This is odd coming from someone who claims to have been a cop for 2 decades or so. I guess it's a good thing he wasn't a judge! :)

jmz5
03-03-2006, 11:09 AM
that guy has a partner? I feel bad for him, he prolly lost out on at least a few sales.

kamo
03-03-2006, 11:20 AM
what does SOP stand for.

Nosferatu
03-03-2006, 11:26 AM
Standard Operating Procedure

kamo
03-03-2006, 11:31 AM
thanks kev.

p99guy
03-03-2006, 02:16 PM
"dedicated to serving Law Enforcement and the U.S. Military Community"

Thats funny as hell considering 2 of us jerkoff moderators(as they put it) are Law enforcement officers...me being one right in their own state.

Nosferatu
03-03-2006, 02:41 PM
"dedicated to serving Law Enforcement and the U.S. Military Community"

Thats funny as hell considering 2 of us jerkoff moderators(as they put it) are Law enforcement officers...me being one right in their own state.

I was wondering when you would comment on that ;)

I think the line should read: "dedicated to PROFITING from Law Enforcement and the US Military community". ;)

jmz5
03-03-2006, 06:57 PM
I was wondering when you would comment on that ;)

I think the line should read: "dedicated to PROFITING from Law Enforcement and the US Military community". ;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/jzimmer16/signs009.gif

panzermk2
03-04-2006, 01:01 AM
"dedicated to serving Law Enforcement and the U.S. Military Community"

Thats funny as hell considering 2 of us jerkoff moderators(as they put it) are Law enforcement officers...me being one right in their own state.

yes but your in another STATE of mind. Funny thing is after living in TX for 1.5yrs Most TEXANS always displayed southern hospitality to this damn yankee, Hell they made sure that I learned the Texas 2step The first time I went out to a saloon.
That guy is just a pr#ck, He must have moved to Texas from up north somewhere.

Medula Oblongata
03-04-2006, 11:47 AM
LE Sales new mission statement:

"LE Sales, a premier law enforcement and military profiteer, believes that in business there is only one way to succeed: Thru rude and insulting customer service coupled with lackluster technical support and anchored in the belief that profits are more important than the customer.

We provide the same level of service regardless of age, occupation, sexual orientation, or religion. However, we reserve the right to belittle innocent third parties for our own amusement. When you choose to do business with LE Sales, you can rest assured that no attention will ever be payed to your needs. We believe in this concept so much, we guarantee it! Should you ever become dissatisfied with any LE Sales product or employee, you can rest assured that your concern will be handled swiftly and decisevely by our highly trained and motivated team of customer assault troops (C.A.T.'s).

LE Sales, an institution of ambivalence since 2005."

:MM :MM :MM

jmz5
03-04-2006, 12:21 PM
LE Sales new mission statement:

"LE Sales, a premier law enforcement and military profiteer, believes that in business there is only one way to succeed: Thru rude and insulting customer service coupled with lackluster technical support and anchored in the belief that profits are more important than the customer.

We provide the same level of service regardless of age, occupation, sexual orientation, or religion. However, we reserve the right to belittle innocent third parties for our own amusement. When you choose to do business with LE Sales, you can rest assured that no attention will ever be payed to your needs. We believe in this concept so much, we guarantee it! Should you ever become dissatisfied with any LE Sales product or employee, you can rest assured that your concern will be handled swiftly and decisevely by our highly trained and motivated team of customer assault troops (C.A.T.'s).

LE Sales, an institution of ambivalence since 2005."

:MM :MM :MMlol

Paratrooper117
03-04-2006, 01:30 PM
MO did it again didn't he. :D

panzermk2
03-04-2006, 01:36 PM
YEP the "N" realy stands for Novella :p

jmz5
03-10-2006, 08:37 PM
Lol

SixForSure
03-11-2006, 10:09 AM
Addendum: "Our Best is None Too Good"

Nosferatu
03-29-2006, 12:31 PM
Now how did this get all the way down to the third page?


Oh, no...it's not going to be that easy for this to go away! ;)

saladin
03-29-2006, 06:17 PM
This "Dealer" is a real ass-clown ! No loss to the site, but a real plus to the anti's. I just hope that he will Never! end up somehow in front of a local news camera as a "Local Gun Dealer Comments on ----------- " Scary huh ! Good Job Guys, saladin

Medula Oblongata
03-29-2006, 06:30 PM
Could you imagine what the Brady bunch would do with some idiot dealer like this on national TV?

I decided to re-read the entire thread. I must have missed his last response F U to all us members. Well, this jerkoff member has no intention of kissing anything of his, and I take umbrage at the suggestion...

I decided to call these idiots not 5 minutes ago, what a bunch of jokers!!! I asked if they had any USP 45 12rd factory mags. The response was yes - $99 each!!! When I reminded them that the wholesale cost was only $13.99 from RSR the butt-pirate started to SCREAM at me and call me names.

Tonite I am going to take a dozen or so pieces of white paper, tape them together to make an endless loop, and fax the guy until his machine runs out of paper. Call me a "f@#*ing jew basta*d" again (kinda funny, Im not Jewish) and see what happens then :SS

panzermk2
03-29-2006, 07:25 PM
Tonite I am going to take a dozen or so pieces of white paper, tape them together to make an endless loop, and fax the guy until his machine runs out of paper. Call me a "f@#*ing jew basta*d" again (kinda funny, Im not Jewish) and see what happens then :SS

Very sick puppy, I love it

:ttiwwp:

Lagniappe
03-29-2006, 07:52 PM
+1 lol let us know how many pages!

kamo
03-29-2006, 08:28 PM
agreed, it shows how 2 faced people are out there. He comes here thinking hes going to do us a favor and make some money off us in the process. Then comes a minor incident invloving miscomunication etc happens and the end result is this.

I would love if all the other forums was to see this and see how these people really are. Although theres a lot of disagreeing and bashing between people who favor different gun types and ammo, we are all still gun owners and gun enthuiasts when its all said and done.

Pics will be nice MO

jmz5
03-29-2006, 08:30 PM
well said

Nosferatu
03-29-2006, 10:08 PM
Could you imagine what the Brady bunch would do with some idiot dealer like this on national TV?

I decided to re-read the entire thread. I must have missed his last response F U to all us members. Well, this jerkoff member has no intention of kissing anything of his, and I take umbrage at the suggestion...

I decided to call these idiots not 5 minutes ago, what a bunch of jokers!!! I asked if they had any USP 45 12rd factory mags. The response was yes - $99 each!!! When I reminded them that the wholesale cost was only $13.99 from RSR the butt-pirate started to SCREAM at me and call me names.

Tonite I am going to take a dozen or so pieces of white paper, tape them together to make an endless loop, and fax the guy until his machine runs out of paper. Call me a "f@#*ing jew basta*d" again (kinda funny, Im not Jewish) and see what happens then :SS


Remind me not to ever piss you off! :)

panzermk2
03-29-2006, 10:21 PM
agreed, it shows how 2 faced people are out there. He comes here thinking hes going to do us a favor and make some money off us in the process. Then comes a minor incident invloving miscomunication etc happens and the end result is this.

I would love if all the other forums was to see this and see how these people really are. Although theres a lot of disagreeing and bashing between people who favor different gun types and ammo, we are all still gun owners and gun enthuiasts when its all said and done.

Pics will be nice MO
DITTO

panzermk2
03-29-2006, 10:22 PM
Remind me not to ever piss you off! :)
NO Sh%t

panzermk2
03-29-2006, 10:23 PM
oop's not monkey cage



NO Sh%t

jmz5
03-30-2006, 10:14 AM
lol, thats a good idea about the fax machine, i might use that to some people i know, lol

jmz5
03-30-2006, 10:14 AM
Brilliant!

Medula Oblongata
03-30-2006, 03:11 PM
.

Pics will be nice MO

Pics of what? All you do is tape a dozen or so pieces of paper together (your fax machine must have the input ramp in-line with the output ramp, and it may only take 3 or 4 sheets to make a loop, depends on type of machine you use) and fax the guy. In order to make sure that it doesn't come back to bite you in the rear, change the telephone number and name in the header (make it from the Brady Bunch :)) and fax at night - after midnight, then they can't hang up on you) and viola! In the morning the guy will come in to find all his paper wasted, and his buffer full of more blank pages. Its nothing more than a minor inconvenience, and as of yet, is not illegal, but boy does it make people angry.

Cheers and good luck in all your schemes of harmless revenge :cheers:

jmz5
03-30-2006, 08:07 PM
will *67 work on a fax?

panzermk2
03-30-2006, 08:08 PM
gotme

jmz5
03-30-2006, 08:10 PM
I will try it next time i fax something to myself

panzermk2
03-30-2006, 10:19 PM
that'll raise your fax count

jmz5
03-31-2006, 11:16 AM
yep, a lot of times when I am at a convention, I fax order forms back to the store.

Medula Oblongata
03-31-2006, 08:12 PM
will *67 work on a fax?

Do you mean *69? Yes it will, unless you block the outgoing call. You can either block your number from all calls, or one at a time. Talk to your phone company, they will tell you how to do it.

jmz5
03-31-2006, 08:19 PM
*67, press *67 the the number you are dialing and it blocks your id to the receiver of the call