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saki302
02-18-2006, 04:06 AM
I noticed they used the old G36 (mitchell's favorite), as well as 3 P90s.
Maybe they figured the P90s look more mean than the MP7, which looks more like a MAC-11.

panzer, I mentioned a Katana in the other thread as I have one- not somrthing I'd ever use to cut with (Except zombies!), it's a 400 year old blade with combat damage (cuts taken to the spine and a few to the sides). It gives me the willies to think how hard a hit it would have to take to leave a cut like that in the metal (not penetrating to the core though). It's sharp considering it's age, but if I wanted to mess around, I'd buy a Paul Chen :D

-Dave

panzermk2
02-18-2006, 12:15 PM
Not to surprising, You Probably already know this style of sword blade has 2 types of temporizing. The edge is the hard part with the spine being very soft. This (Hamon) pattern is like a finger print that can be traced back to its maker. Thatís why when training In IAIDO or KENDO or just plain sparing with Bokkens all blocking and deflecting of on coming attack are always done with cutting edge. If you block with the spine it very possible and did happen that your sword would be cut through and then you get cut through. Sounds like yours was used by someone who needed more practice.

I have spent a fare amount of time around this stuff as I have for over 15yrs
Studied AIKIDO, IAIDO, and some BATTODO

Have you removed the Tsuba and handle to expose the makers Kanji?
You easily find out who, where and exactly when. The japanese keep very acturate records of sword makers and thier familt lines.

saki302
02-20-2006, 03:22 AM
hrm...all instructors i studied from teach the switch from tempered edge (attack) to spine (defence). the spines i've seen are all pretty hard, but less-so than the cutting edge, as the tempering makes it that way. i'm pretty doubtful that a blade would be able to cut thru a properly made blade, as there are typically hundreds of folds of the metal.


Yep- that's exactly what two sword dealers I know told me. I had a card one of them wrote up for me detailing the style and period of the blade (somewhere in my desk). It is mumei (no signature), which is common on older blades.

It is a huge myth that swords can cut through solid metal. It's bull. The tempered edge is hard enough to cut through some armor (a lot of the older armor was a combo of chain mail, wood and leather), but it can and will chip easily- look at a lot of WW2 bring back bladed 'played with' by GIs. Edge-on-edge contact results in HUGE chunks being snapped out of the blade. Hard = brittle.

One school of swordsmanship taught blockign with the spine (softer than the edge, but only in hollywood will a sword be cut in half), and parrying by cutting into the opponents blade as he swings towards you. There are two such deflection cuts in my blade (maybe a few thousandths deep), and several small 2mm chunks cut out of the spine area closer towards the handle.

Talking to a few sword and shinkendo experts in my area, they agreed it looked like authentic combat or duelling damage. It does not affect the blade integrity in any way and there are no edge chips.
One of the better polishers in this area (Ted Tenold) told me he refuses to polish out any actual combat damage as it detracts from the history of the blade.

The best (strongest) blades of all time are actually made today- out of L6 banite, if you can afford it. It will withstand a 90 degree bend without snapping. Most old swords will crack long before that.
There has been a long standing request to SEE an M1 Garand receiver or machine gun barrel cut in half by a blade, and none has been produced to date. It does make for good film excitement though!

-Dave

panzermk2
02-20-2006, 08:09 PM
Yep- that's exactly what two sword dealers I know told me. I had a card one of them wrote up for me detailing the style and period of the blade (somewhere in my desk). It is mumei (no signature), which is common on older blades.

It is a huge myth that swords can cut through solid metal. It's bull. The tempered edge is hard enough to cut through some armor (a lot of the older armor was a combo of chain mail, wood and leather), but it can and will chip easily- look at a lot of WW2 bring back bladed 'played with' by GIs. Edge-on-edge contact results in HUGE chunks being snapped out of the blade. Hard = brittle.

Most WWII blades were machine made junk and if the Japanese gov. gets ahold of the they destroy them.


One school of swordsmanship taught blockign with the spine (softer than the edge, but only in hollywood will a sword be cut in half), and parrying by cutting into the opponents blade as he swings towards you. There are two such deflection cuts in my blade (maybe a few thousandths deep), and several small 2mm chunks cut out of the spine area closer towards the handle.
-Dave

Different schools happens all the time. Aikido has 2 basic types One a soft alomost dancing and Old school O-Sensei style that very aggressive combat field style this is the one I study.I did a seminar with Japans 4 time IAIDO champ and his coach 3 time champ. Both had swords that where completely Different in every way.
I would not want iether one swinging it at me, let alone tell them that they blocked me with a part of the blade that I would not use for it.

Shihan's can't live with them and can't throw them

OK Sheriff DmL!!!!!!!!! this thread is about to be moved to the lounge or closed,
My money is on moved to the lounge

DmL5
02-20-2006, 09:16 PM
Sheriff'd. :cool:



-DmL

tqtran
02-20-2006, 10:08 PM
out of 5 threads I only see one about Stargate...

saki302
02-20-2006, 11:34 PM
Since we're out in left field already :D

My first blade was a WW2 machined blade- you can tell since they are not folded steel. They're still tempered, but lack any pattern to the hamon. up close you can see it lacks the crystalline structure formed by forge-folding and tempering the edge.

I met one of the top shinkendo practitioners around here- "Big Tony". he makes me look tiny, and I'm 6'3", 250lbs!
I have strong wrists, but his L6 blade weighs a TON! I'd hate to try and block that with anything at all!! I noticed many of the nice older blades are much lighter- they won't cut as strongly, but a light cut is better than no cut at all!

I sold my old WW2 blade, as I wanted something with a little more history and workmanship. I had a nice Kanezane blade (WW2 era, forge folded) which was a work of art- likely made by Kanezane himself, or one of his top students, but I ended up trading that with another friend for some other stuff. Too 'new' for my tastes :)

If I actually need to cleave something, I prefer my old COld Steek Ghurka Kukri- it's cheap :D

-Dave

panzermk2
02-21-2006, 12:25 AM
Since we're out in left field already :D

I noticed many of the nice older blades are much lighter- they won't cut as strongly, but a light cut is better than no cut at all!
-Dave
Dave
Don't let those old "light blades" fool you they will cut through your body laminated armor and all. Its not the wieght that does the cutting. Ever notice how its the small japanese and chinese martail arts masters that kick everyones buts all over the place. The heavy BATTADO blades are great for cuttings mats, but in a fencing Situation the blade weight would slow you down. That style of blade has grown out of the dare I say "sport" of cutting versus's say ZEN cutting motions that can take 5 minutes to due a single cut that is considard an "ART FORM"
This is getting into a deep philosophical part of the art's since there is a large grey area between the art part and sport part .

again give it a try sometime! Most of the LOE's on this sight have been doing AIKIDO for years. They just weren't told that for the most part, only that it was compliance and weapons retention training.
Jay

panzermk2
02-21-2006, 12:32 AM
Ghurka Kukri
very good blade, just make sure if your going to use it try to find an old Ghurka to show you the proper cutting technique. if done properly you can sever someones head off cleanly with one swing. My Sensei spent a couple of months studying just the Kukri and how to use it. VERY COOL Ghurka's Deserve evry bit of their REP

saki302
02-21-2006, 02:24 AM
I have the old thick and fairly hefty (yet fast in the hand) CS Ghurka. I don't think they make this model anymore.
It came in bare carbon steel, and I cold blued it for more corrosion resistance (well, a *little* more.

It can near cleave in half an old style TV guide in midair :D

That think makes a great camp knife/axe as long as you can get over the weird looks you get carrying it! Many a tree branch has met its demise at the hands of a CS kukri :)

-Dave

panzermk2
02-21-2006, 03:37 PM
That think makes a great camp knife/axe as long as you can get over the weird looks you get carrying it! Many a tree branch has met its demise at the hands of a CS kukri :)

-Dave

Funny thing is that's how a Ghurka's use them. even more then the Samuri thier Kukri are used for eveything including eating. The shape and details of a real/Ghurka kukri even have spiritail and realigous meaning for a Ghurka.
and thats why the only way you can get one away from a Ghurka is by killing him.

FYI they don't die to easy

jmz5
02-22-2006, 08:18 PM
Sheriff'd. :cool:



-DmLyou should change your title to sheriff :MM

Its the sherriff, Run! :D
:MM :MM :MM :MM

:MM

ruf
02-27-2006, 09:23 AM
Anyone see the vid of a katana getting shot by a .50 BMG? It manages to split 6-7 bullets before finally breaking.

Variable556
03-01-2006, 09:14 AM
Anyone see the vid of a katana getting shot by a .50 BMG? It manages to split 6-7 bullets before finally breaking.

Yes... That really blew my mind... I'd have never believed that!

I have a Paul Chen collection Katana (MIYAMOTO MUSASHI DAITO), just for looking at though... :) I like my parts just where they are at... :MM