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Warwolf
01-31-2006, 06:36 PM
Wisconsin is 1 of 4 states that don't allow conceal carry. I've been following this for a few years now here for this state since I moved here. It keeps passing on the floor and is always rewritten to satisfy both parties and all groups. Then it goes to Gov. Jim Doyles office which for the second year in a row he vetos, and for a second year in a row it goes into overtime and back on the floor to overide the Gov's veto and it always misses by a vote or two. Get this, the two Reps that didn't vote yes today to overide veto, voted yes last year to pass the bill (they must have their balls in a vice). In fact, the bill is better written then it was last year with more restrictions to satisfy everyone. The people of Wisconsin, heck, the people of the United States desirve the right to protect themselves or there loved ones from great bodily harm (criminals don't play fair). This bill wasn't just an opportunity to carry a firearm or knife but also anything even just less lethal such as Pepperspray or stun/taser gun. Let's face it, the criminals know what states will be easier to target and they will always have access to a weapon, Law or not. Anyway, I'm just venting, Sorry! Well, what comes around goes around. I'm sure when it's time for re elections, the people of Wisconsin have already started taking names on who will get the boot.


Heres an article from the local paper: Below



Doyle's veto of law allowing concealed weapons survives override attempt in state Assembly WSJ
The state Assembly on today failed to override the governor's veto of a bill that would have ended the state's 133-year-old ban on concealed weapons.

The Assembly's 64-34 vote means Wisconsin remains one of only four states that prohibit concealed weapons and marks a victory for Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle.

Gun supporters and the measure's Republican sponsors say the bill would have let people fight off criminals. But opponents countered the bill would add to gun violence, and Doyle vetoed the measure because he felt it would endanger the public.

The bill would have allowed state residents who pass firearms training and get permits to carry concealed handguns, knives, billy clubs and electric shock weapons in most public places except for schools, taverns and police stations.

A veto override takes a two-thirds vote in both the state Senate and Assembly 22 votes in the Senate and 66 in the Assembly. The state Senate voted 23-10 last week to override the veto.

Republicans control the Assembly 60-39. Six Democrats voted to pass the bill late last year, but two of them Reps. John Steinbrink of Pleasant Prairie and Terry Van Akkeren of Sheboygan flipped and voted to sustain the veto.

Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, the bill's main sponsor in the Assembly, said Steinbrink and Van Akkeren bowed to pressure from Doyle rather than vote their principles. Bill supporters will target Steinbrink and Van Akkeren in the November elections, he added.

"This was pure politics," Gunderson said.

Steinbrink issued a statement saying he couldn't vote to override the veto and turn the bill into law because Sen. Dave Zien, R-Eau Claire, the bill's main sponsor in the Senate, has said he wanted to tweak the measure once it became law to make it less restrictive. Steinbrink said the best way to pass the legislation would be as an amendment to the Wisconsin Constitution.

"A constitutional amendment could ultimately give the people of the state the opportunity to create or reject this self-defense option for law-abiding citizens," his statement said.

panzermk2
02-01-2006, 12:17 AM
Well I think you just have to "'BEAR DOWN!"
Keep in mind it's even worse south of the chedder curtain.

Whatís my name coach?!?! Bret son Bret
Did you get the license plate number on that truck coach?!?! Yeah it was 54GSH
:p

Warwolf
02-01-2006, 01:28 AM
Are you trying to convert me into a chicago Bears fan because I live in cheese head state? Don't worry, no need for the Jedi mind trick. I've been a chicago fan since I was born. I was born in chicago and grew up in the suburbs. I just moved here from IL. 3 years ago (job related). I was able to catch 2 Cubs games last year. I almost miss the pigeon crap on my shoulder, Great Hot Dogs though. If your planning a game this year let me know. I might be able attend.

panzermk2
02-01-2006, 11:17 PM
You got me, I figured since you were on the other side of the chedder wall you only lived for the pac. I live outside of McHenry. With all the gun control junk down here Iím about to move over the curtain. I have been a Bears season ticket holder for about 15 yrs though. One of the other guys on the board and I have tried to link up to shoot. He is going to be contacting me about getting together at GAT guns to shoot. Where abouts are you?

Warwolf
02-02-2006, 08:59 AM
I'm in Janesville, WI. Thats about 30 min. north of of Rockford, IL. and 15min from the state line. I know Mchenry. I lived in Elgin IL, Crystal Lake IL, I even went to Elgin High (13 years ago) I'm not familiar with any of the Gun ranges in IL, but as tight as my schedule is, I might be able to hook up and shoot. Of course that depends on wether it's an indoor or outdoor range. I think I'll wait a couple of months to shoot outside (I'm such a Wuss).

Warwolf
02-02-2006, 09:20 AM
Dems: Gun bill flaws swung vote
By Anita Weier

Two Democratic legislators who clinched the governor's veto on a concealed weapons carrying bill say they switched their votes because of problems with the bill.


But Republicans accused them of bowing to "sickening" partisan pressure from the state's top Democrat.

Rep. John Steinbrink, D-Pleasant Prairie, and Rep. Terry Van Akkeren, D-Sheboygan, who both originally voted for the bill, said after the razor-thin vote that restrictions in the legislation aimed at protecting people wouldn't do the job and might be dropped later by Republicans.

The vote Tuesday in the state Assembly was 64-34, two short of the two-thirds required for an override. The Senate previously overrode Doyle's veto 23-10.


Michelle Stocker
Rep. John Steinbrink, D-Pleasant Prairie.
Van Akkeren said in a written statement that he was responding to concerns of law enforcement officials in his district.

"Recently, I met again with Sheboygan Police Chief David Kirk and Sheboygan County Sheriff Mike Helmke" and other local police chiefs, he said. "They were in unison in their opposition to SB 403, saying that this bill 'is not workable.'"

Van Akkeren and Steinbrink said they previously had supported the bill with a compromise amendment that added additional protections, such as limiting blood-alcohol content to .02 for those carrying a weapon and requiring training every five years.

But Van Akkeren said the amendment failed to address all his concerns. For instance, he said an undue hardship would be placed on business owners who did not want guns on their premises. They would have been required not only to post entrances with signs prohibiting concealed weapons, but they also would have had to tell customers verbally about that prohibition.

Steinbrink said that he was worried by statements by Sen. Dave Zien, R-Eau Claire, author of the bill in the Senate, that the bill might be tinkered with later to loosen restrictions.

"Unfortunately, a number of pro-gun groups never embraced that compromise and an author of the bill has announced his intention to modify the language in future sessions if passed," Steinbrink said.

He especially feared that regular training would no longer be required.

Nevertheless, Steinbrink told reporters that his decision was not made until Tuesday morning. Both men had received many calls -- both pro and con -- from constituents.

Steinbrink denied that he had been pressured by Doyle to change his vote.

"This was a decision I made," he said.

Steinbrink said he was prepared to deal with any political ramifications of his actions. "You deal with political ramifications every day in this business," he said.

But Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Waterford, who authored the bill in the Assembly, did not doubt the political reasons for the vote changes.

"Representatives Van Akkeren and Steinbrink have always supported this bill. For them to flip based on politics is quite sickening," Gunderson said.

"They both truly believe in this legislation. They have both created a problem with their constituents."

'There are consequences': Rep. Gary Sherman, D-Port Wing, who switched his vote in 2004 to prevent a veto override, told The Capital Times in December that the override would also fail this time, and not by just one vote. Asked Tuesday how he knew, Sherman denied that there was any arrangement. "We talk," he said.

Sherman, who was re-elected after his vote change, said that if Van Akkeren and Steinbrink continued to work hard for constituents and put a bit more effort into re-election, that they would have no problem, despite the efforts of gun supporters.

But Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association in Washington, D.C., said this morning in a phone interview that the NRA would work to defeat legislators who voted against the override and the governor who vetoed the bill.

"There are elections coming up this year. Our normal procedure is to grade every legislator and elected official whenever there are votes that concern our members, such as enacting legislation that would give the option to law-abiding citizens to apply for a right to carry permit," Arulanandam said.

"It is what every organization does. For measures supported and opposed there are consequences. Wisconsin was a high priority. I would like to thank the legislators who voted for this and held steadfast and voted for the override."

Jeri Bonavia, executive director of the Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort, said after the vote that the vast majority of Wisconsin residents oppose the carrying of concealed weapons.

"The gun lobby and their favorite legislators are blinded by an extremist belief that more hidden, loaded handguns in public will make us safer," Bonavia said.

Gunderson pledged that the fight for a concealed carry law would not stop with the override defeat.

"We are one of only four states that has no concealed carry law," he said.

He also noted that the Wisconsin Supreme Court had urged the Legislature to move forward with legislation. If the high court overturns Wisconsin's law prohibiting concealed weapons in public places, Gunderson warned, people would be able to carry guns without the training and background checks required in the bill.

748
02-02-2006, 09:37 AM
Only 4 states don't allow CCW?!
I thought it was around 10.
It sounds like some day you will have it, hang in there.
All you have to do is get a new govener or change out a few people ont the state Assembly.
VA's CCW law is strange, the way I read it you can only CC a gun, if you have a gun then no knives, no billy clubs, no brass knuckles, ect allowed. I may have read it wrong.
Maine's CCW laws are more normal, they allow more or less any thing last time I checked.

panzermk2
02-02-2006, 02:15 PM
I'm in Janesville, WI. Thats about 30 min. north of of Rockford, IL. and 15min from the state line. I know Mchenry. I lived in Elgin IL, Crystal Lake IL, I even went to Elgin High (13 years ago) I'm not familiar with any of the Gun ranges in IL, but as tight as my schedule is, I might be able to hook up and shoot. Of course that depends on wether it's an indoor or outdoor range. I think I'll wait a couple of months to shoot outside (I'm such a Wuss).
Well I lve in wonder lake north of 120. I know where your at as I am in rockford at leasr once every 2 months for work. about 45min from my place. Man no out side until it warms up? we will work on it. Outside is best for me nomatter what the weather when I can

panzermk2
02-02-2006, 02:24 PM
Only 4 states don't allow CCW?!
I thought it was around 10.
It sounds like some day you will have it, hang in there.
All you have to do is get a new govener or change out a few people ont the state Assembly.
VA's CCW law is strange, the way I read it you can only CC a gun, if you have a gun then no knives, no billy clubs, no brass knuckles, ect allowed. I may have read it wrong.
Maine's CCW laws are more normal, they allow more or less any thing last time I checked.
they are allot closer then us in ILL. our GOV when he was in the house of reps created countles gun grabber bills one was for "junk guns" you know saturday night specails he called them like my wife's Colt agent, funny when I opened my wallet to pay for it it did not have a junk gun price. You see 50cal are to big and 38's with barrells shorter than 4inches are to small according to the KING. He getting together wih King D*ck head Daley again to bring back the Clinton gun ban for ILL, mag limits, rifle portions every thing . I find it very disturbing that in the NRA's Journel Daley and Rob are always being chosen as the gun banner of the month somany times.

rips31
02-02-2006, 03:57 PM
bleh...ccw is legal in my state, just that they're made of unobtanium.

bob650
02-02-2006, 04:36 PM
i feel bad for you guys in those right hating no citizen trusting states. keep being active in the voting and hopefully sooner than later, you guys will have your constitutional rights upheld.

Jerod
02-03-2006, 01:26 AM
I live up in Superior. Time to vote Doyle and other freaking libs out.Doyle is more concerned that gay partners of state workers have State provided health care! Please come back and run Tommy Thompson! The way I look at it is if you need to carry one , CARRY ONE! It is only a misdomenor and a small fine in WI if caught. I always follow the law and the extent of my rap sheet is 1 speeding ticket 15 years ago. If I feel the need to carry one I will ! Screw THEM ! This is my first post on the FiveseveNForum and the next ones will be nicer! Jerod ;)

Warwolf
02-07-2006, 02:45 PM
Well, this speaks a lot of Gov. Doyle. He's willing to give his son a 3,000lb weapon while his son is drunk, but doesn't want citizens to be able to protect themselves with any type of weapon. His son was arrested, actually I take that back he wasn't arrested like the law said you should be, he was just released to someone's custody and told to apologize. Sun. Feb. 5th, heres the article:

http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/topstories//index.php?ntid=71769


Governor's son apologizes for drinking and driving
By David Callender and Samara Kalk Derby

Gus Doyle, 30, the older son of Gov. Jim Doyle, has apologized following his arrest for drunken driving early Sunday morning in Fitchburg.


In a statement released by the governor's office, Gus Doyle said: "I made a terrible mistake, and one for which I take full responsibility. I am deeply sorry for what happened, and am going to own up to the consequences. Drinking and driving is unacceptable and dangerous and I apologize to those I put at risk and for being irresponsible."

Doyle was pulled over at 4:45 a.m. at Fish Hatchery Road and Highway M, according to Fitchburg Police Lt. Chad Brecklin.

Doyle, a real estate salesman, was released to a "responsible party," Brecklin said. That person was not his father, he added.

Brecklin did not know where Doyle was coming from or where he was going and would not say why he was pulled over. The department received a call from a passing motorist, he said.

No one else was in the car with Doyle at the time.

Doyle, who lives in Oregon, has been tentatively charged with first-offense drunken driving. He was also driving without a valid license, but he was not cited for that, Brecklin said.

Wisconsin court records show Doyle's driver's license was suspended last July after he failed to pay a $150 fine.

"I have a suspicion that the arresting officer utilized his discretionary abilities and didn't issue a citation," Brecklin said.

The 1998 Buick Century Doyle was driving is the privately owned vehicle of Wisconsin first lady Jessica Doyle, WKOW-TV reported.

According to the station's report, Gus Doyle refused to submit to a blood alcohol test requested by the arresting officer. Brecklin would not comment on that.

The governor, meeting today with reporters on state government topics, also declined to comment on those reports.

"This is a family matter," he said. "Gus will do the right thing. He's a very fine young man. He made a terrible mistake and he will face the consequences."

Doyle has been critical of those who refuse to take blood tests when arrested for drunken driving. He was particularly critical of Attorney General Peg Lautenschlager in 2004 when she was arrested for drunken driving and refused a blood test.

"People should consent" to being tested, Gov. Doyle, a former longtime prosecutor, said today. "The penalties for not consenting are actually a little worse than if you do consent, so I think he's going to find out for himself that the law is tougher on him. And that's the consequence that he has to face."

In September 2003, Gov. Doyle appointed his son to an unpaid post on the Juvenile Justice Commission. The body was created to advise the governor on juvenile justice issues and to secure federal grants to prevent and respond to juvenile crime.

Medula Oblongata
02-07-2006, 03:32 PM
Just goes to prove what a bunch of dishonest, elitist pigs they are. Just let you or I be arrested and we would still be in jail awaiting arraignment. If our license was revoked at the time we were arrested, the court would likely remand us to custody as we are obviously a danger to the public. Apparently when its the Gov's son all is ok. After all, who's ever heard of a public officials progeny hurting anyone? But you or I, on the other hand, would be castigated as a menace to society.

I wonder who got a call at 4am, and who's bank account got a little larger when this happened.