View Full Version : Civilians without guns = HIGH Gun crime in Canada

01-17-2006, 04:52 PM
Read these FACTS about the relationship between Canadas' stupid gun laws and their HIGH GUN CRIME!

Reprinted from an email sent to me from http://www.ccrkba.org

BELLEVUE, WA – Canada's billion-dollar boondoggle – the national gun registration scheme – has proven itself an abysmal failure, as that country's violent crime rates are double those reported in the United States, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) noted today.

"We looked at violent crime rates per 100,000 population in both countries, using the most recent available data," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, "and we were not surprised at what we found. Since Canada started this ridiculous and costly program, violent crime has gone up dramatically, at the same time that crime in the United States has declined. Yet, there are people in the states who think Canada's gun legislation should be the model for America.

"By comparing the data," he detailed, "we found that the violent crime rate in the United States was 475 per 100,000 population, while up north, there were 963 violent crimes per 100,000 population. The figure for sexual assault in Canada per 100,000 population is more than double that of the United States, 74 as opposed to 32.1, and the assault rate in Canada is also more than twice that of the states, 746 to our 295 for the population rate."

Noted CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron: "What happened in the states to actually contribute to a reduction in our overall crime rate is simple. We've got 38 states with shall-issue, right-to-carry concealed handgun laws. While Canada has clamped down on its citizens' gun rights, our citizens have been empowered against criminals by passage of these laws. The disparity in crime rates between the two countries says it all about how well gun registration works to stop crime, as opposed to actually carrying guns to deter criminals, and fight back if necessary."

A Jan. 3 story in Canada's National Post by writer David Frum confirmed CCRKBA's independent finding. Frum wrote, "Canada's overall crime rate is now 50% higher than the crime rate in the United States." Later, Frum added: "Gun registries and gun bans…do not work."

"Instead of promising to ban legally-owned handguns in Canada," Waldron observed, "Prime Minister Paul Martin should be urging citizens to arm themselves. He should encourage Parliament to scrap gun registration and replace it with a gun ownership and training program."

"Since going on the warpath against guns, Canada's Liberals have presided over the sharpest rise in violent crime in the nation's history," Gottlieb said. "There are more rapes, more robberies and more murders. If that tells Canadian citizens anything at all, it's that Paul Martin and his Liberals have literally been ‘dead wrong' on guns."

Dumb A** politicians!
Taking guns away from citizens just emboldens the criminals
Gun control should mean hitting at what you aim at... not taking away the citizens gun rights

01-17-2006, 08:51 PM
Yea I was reading an article written by a retired military sergent from canada.

He had to give up his Fal because of the new legislation.

Each time they made it harder to own weapons he went though the process to keep his.
After it got pointless to resist he had to sell his precious Fal.

Mind you this was his personal FAL from the army that he purchased when he retired.

01-17-2006, 09:10 PM
well, we've already seen crimes increase when chicago and dc banned handguns. waiting to see if my fair city follows suit. then again, if mr. bg comes calling, he'll face a 2 3/4" saboted slug round from my remy. :cool:

Evan Stevens
01-17-2006, 11:36 PM
It is sad that they can't learn from Australia, England, and other countries that already tried this poor excuse for a solution to an unsolveable problem. More guns = less crime Less guns = more crime plain and simple. I am for way stiffer penalties for crimes like robery, murder, rape I am for the death penalty, with DNA there should be no more mistakes. Rape should carry the death penalty or life with no parole. This is the best way to combat crime, not to ban a tool used by many for fun and enjoyment not to mention protection.

01-18-2006, 03:56 AM
i'd say that gun control has gone far enough. time to put all that wasted money and time spent trying to 'overhaul' gun control and focus on getting criminals off the streets and solving crimes. more leo would do wonders for getting rid of crime, rather than 'safety by legislation.'

Medula Oblongata
01-18-2006, 12:57 PM
Australia Bans most firearms = More Aussies murdered with baseball bats and SWORDS in 2005 than were with guns between 1990 and 2000. Now Aussie police have forwarded legislation (waiting to be signed into law) that makes posession of a sword, even a family herloom or museum piece, a capitol crime garnering a minimum 25 year sentence unless the posessor has a "permit" from the local police constable. Aussie Police constable's association say they will not issue permits without a valid reason, and personal defence is not a valid reason. What is next, banning sharp sticks and harsh words???

England bans most guns = Scotland has highest violent crime rate in industrialized world. Farmers imprisoned for having the gall to defend themselves against several knife weilding murders with a shotgun (Law in gb says you MUST NOT in any circumstance defend youself with a firearm, even of you or someone else is being murdered, tortured, etc. and must always retreat even if in doing so you will for sure and certain be killed). Rape has risen 371%, murder 760%, assault 1000% (according to NRA during Wayne LaPierre's debate at Kings College). You are 100 times more likely to be mugged in London, the world's most heavily electronically monitored (170,000 cameras being constantly watched in London alone) city than in NY, Chicago, and MOSCOW COMBINED! (Source Ted Nugent)

South Africa bans most guns = Rape increased 600%, murder 900%, assault 1000%, the average motorist is car jacked EVERY WEEK, with 100% of cars being stolen every year (taken into account that the stolen car is typicall stolen 5 more times within the first week of being origionally stolen, the number is actually significantly higher). Source Reuters Africa.

I could go on and on with hundreds more examples. I don't need to. I am sure that I am preaching to the choir. I think that the only way people will wake up and smell the gunsmoke is when something really bad happens to their person (or of a close friend or family member) that they could have prevented were they armed. Until then they will cower behind the "it hasn't happened to me yet, so there must not be a problem" blanket.

In the words of the immortal Poet Lauriet, Mr. T "I pity the fools."

01-18-2006, 03:35 PM
mo - next up in australia is a ban on rocks. :D

01-18-2006, 05:13 PM
Next thing that will happen is the little Austrailian pub you stop in for a glass mug of brew, will have to serve it to you in a paper cup. Just in case you will use it as a weapon. :)

Medula Oblongata
01-18-2006, 06:49 PM
Next thing that will happen is the little Austrailian pub you stop in for a glass mug of brew, will have to serve it to you in a paper cup. Just in case you will use it as a weapon. :)

They already do that during rugby and soccer matches... Im wondering, is the government will ban all glass drinking aperatuses even in peoples homes? Im sure that would stop a lot of accidental injuries too. In fact, lets ban all glass period. I can't tell you how many people die after falling through windows and getting all cut up, or when they fly through windshields during vehicle collisions.

I have a suggestion for the Australian government. Force everyone to have lobotomies, that will stop ALL violence. Although, the country would probably go broke trying to pay for all the paper towels to wipe the drewel from the people's faces.

01-18-2006, 06:58 PM
can brady bunch ban cars while they're at it? i believe cars cause more deaths than guns do. :MM

01-18-2006, 08:44 PM
Believe me when I tell you, Doctors kill people every year. We should ban them. But wait, they save people every year also. Hmmm just like firearms.

02-14-2006, 01:14 PM
So hospitals should keep all their doctors locked up in a safe or at least handcuffs (read trigger locks) until they are ready to be used. And then only if the local Chief LEO in their area has signed off on their use in advance. Someone forward this to Sarah Brady, I think I am on to something here.

02-14-2006, 02:07 PM
Civilians without guns = defenceless victims
Civilians without guns = "Subjects"
Civilians without guns = easy money for BG's
The brady bunch will take that unquestionable, concluse evdence and spin it into some load of crap about why we should register and ban guns. That's what they do. That is why we call them the brady bunch.
They trun facts into lies and get people that don't know any better to belive them.